ITT We argue about how fatties get fat, why they stay fat, and what they should do instead - It's a mystery! It's an obesity sperging containment thread!

[Pistoleer]

Winner winner, low fat chicken dinner. He’s a troll, and a shitty one at that. I kinda feel bad for replying with a serious answer earlier. I fed the trolls and I should know better. Shame, shame. Oh well, lesson learned.

 

[ethical]

Maybe those in favor of the new guidelines should try reading them.
Here's a handy link: https://obesitycanada.ca/guidelines/chapters/

Here are a few gems pulled from the very beginning of the "weight bias" chapter:

"We recommend that healthcare providers avoid making assumptions that an ailment or complaint a patient presents with is related to their body weight."

"Examples of explicit weight bias include assumptions that people living with obesity are lazy, unmotivated, lacking self-discipline or willpower, and non- compliant with medical treatment."

"Like other forms of discrimination, including racism, weight discrimination is associated with increased risk for morbidity. There are physiological mechanisms that may contribute to this increased risk to physical health, such as increased chronic stress, which can increase cortisol levels, and oxidative stress independent of adiposity level."

" There is extensive literature documenting weight bias and stigma across a range of health professionals, including physicians, nurses, dietitians, psychologists and healthcare trainees."

"One longitudinal study has also shown that perceiving weight discrimination is associated with a 60% increase in mortality risk."

How is any of this a problem? There is a very real phenomenon of issues being handwaved as obesity-related, only it turns out that oops! it was fucking cancer the whole time, and now the patient is dying of stage IV cancer.

The medical professionals have come to this consensus, and they are basing their decisions off of peer-reviewed science. So let's play a game called Who's Probably Right. On one hand, we have hundreds, if not thousands, of medical doctors and scientists all coming to a consensus. On the other hand, we have sperglord chantalisfat, a person whose credentials consist of alogging about Foodiebeauty. Who's Probably Right?

 

[GunnlaugurSassoon]

Maybe those in favor of the new guidelines should try reading them.
Here's a handy link: https://obesitycanada.ca/guidelines/chapters/

Here are a few gems pulled from the very beginning of the "weight bias" chapter:

"We recommend that healthcare providers avoid making assumptions that an ailment or complaint a patient presents with is related to their body weight."

"Examples of explicit weight bias include assumptions that people living with obesity are lazy, unmotivated, lacking self-discipline or willpower, and non- compliant with medical treatment."

"Like other forms of discrimination, including racism, weight discrimination is associated with increased risk for morbidity. There are physiological mechanisms that may contribute to this increased risk to physical health, such as increased chronic stress, which can increase cortisol levels, and oxidative stress independent of adiposity level."

" There is extensive literature documenting weight bias and stigma across a range of health professionals, including physicians, nurses, dietitians, psychologists and healthcare trainees."

"One longitudinal study has also shown that perceiving weight discrimination is associated with a 60% increase in mortality risk."

So, your attempt to prove you were right to make an (incorrect) claim based solely off of reading a headline is to 1) double down based solely on the headline once again and then 2) cherry pick quotes from the charities (that is most definitely not the government of Canada nor... Canada's medical dictionary?) website that, again, is a recommendation on how they believe it's best for clinicians to attempt to deal with obesity and specifically cherry pick the quotes to purposefully leave out the fact that they do not change the definition of obesity but that clinicians should attempt to help patients deal with issues that will continue their eating to 500 pounds instead of just giving them a diet and sending them away.

ETA: Even ignoring the fact that you're wrong about what the study says, it's a paper in a journal funded by a charity. Can you tell me how that meshes with your headline-based opinion this is now the Canadian guideline?

 

[Occipital Fupa]

Everyone - yes, even Chantal! - knows obesity (morbid or not) is linked to a shorter life expectancy. If you still decide to stuff your face to the point of gaining 50, 100 or 250lbs of pure fat, it's still your right to live your (shorter) life the way you intend it. It's your free will to do what you want with your life and your body, and if you're unapologetic about it, more power to you.

But please don't ask doctors to back up your decision by stating there's no correlation between obesity and an increased risk of preventable, deadly diseases. Humanity is already cursed with the HAES movement who is doing enough damage as it is, we don't need the medical field to take the lead.

EDIT : I should read the whole thing before commenting, I stopped at @chantalisfat comment before posting. I'll put my ego aside and will accept your autistic ratings .

 

[Smoovy Jay]

For fucks sake. There’s a difference between studies from institutes and universities, and Health Canada guidelines. It was a lazy title to say “Canada says....” because no, Canada didn’t say. Some Canadian institute did.

 

[ethical]

Everyone - yes, even Chantal! - knows obesity (morbid or not) is linked to a shorter life expectancy. If you still decide to stuff your face to the point of gaining 50, 100 or 250lbs of pure fat, it's still your right to live your (shorter) life the way you intend it. It's your free will to do what you want with your life and your body, and if you're unapologetic about it, more power to you.

But please don't ask doctors to back up your decision by stating there's no correlation between obesity and an increased risk of preventable, deadly diseases. Humanity is already cursed with the HAES movement who is doing enough damage as it is, we don't need the medical field to take the lead.

EDIT : I should read the whole thing before commenting, I stopped at @chantalisfat comment before posting. I'll put my ego aside and will accept your autistic ratings .

I know you've already realized your mistake, but for anyone else reading:

nobody is saying that obesity isn't a serious health issue. nobody is suggesting doctors stop recognizing that obesity is a serious health issue. read the articles and the studies before tardraging.

 

[Chad Nasty]

Clearly you're too dumb to understand how poverty is a correlating factor for obesity, poor education, sedentary lifestyles. And yes, black people have higher rates of obesity...because black people are more likely to be poor. Because America is a deeply racist country.

I'm sure you'll try and deny all of that because this site is crawling with alt-right retards, but the facts are facts, america.

Lol k homeboy
#Postphysique

@ethical, dont be shy. Im a fat faggot retard to you. Ill sack up first. I dont mind the mocking for being a fatty fat fuck. Sack up girl scout. I dont mind the dogpiling. And fkn lol at altright, go suck that bbc.

 

[Noom Boom]

Is there any truth about certain people experience actual orgasmic feeling when eating food? Seems like the rolls her eyes every time she takes a bite.

Or is it like Sharks when they bite their eyes turn white but in this case is all the fat in her face sliding and up as she chews?

So I've never met an obese person who has actually experienced a sexual orgasmic feeling when eating, but I have meet plenty of obese people who, when they eat heavy foods, get an intimidate feeling of overwhelming bliss and decompression. It's like when heroin addicts shot up, they give a deep sigh, lean back, and close their eyes, but not because they are getting sexually aroused, they just are getting that bliss. Like you can feel you muscles relaxing and your heart rate lowering.

 

[Tay Tay]

Sperg all you want but the facts are facts. The statistics don't lie. Poverty and obesity go hand-in-hand, and the relevant experts all agree on why.

Poverty is more common among black people, sooo... blackness is caused by poverty too? Corrlelation does not mean causation.

And who are those experts? Doctors or social studies majors from YouTube?

 

[ethical]

Poverty is more common among black people, sooo... blackness is caused by poverty too? Corrlelation does not mean causation.

And who are those experts? Doctors or social studies majors from YouTube?

black people are more likely to be poor because america is a deeply racist country with a deeply racist past, so yes, there is a correlation. I never suggested that being poor literally causes someone to be obese, either, just that poverty is a sufficient condition to make someone much more likely to be obese due to american classism.

 

[Chad Nasty]

black people are more likely to be poor because america is a deeply racist country with a deeply racist past, so yes, there is a correlation. I never suggested that being poor literally causes someone to be obese, either, just that poverty is a sufficient condition to make someone much more likely to be obese due to american classism.

Yo money grip, you sill cant prove youre not some fat retard who Googles weight loss and regurgitates mother jones.

I dont mind the fatties negging me dude, just more ghetto gagging zoomers. You've proved nothing other than doing copy pastes from jewgle or show you know reddit retardation. Hallmark of a fatty fat fat. I bet you're eating some Twinkies and keep your pissbottle on the desk.

Or... I could be wrong and you could be aeathetic af, i would mire and eat my humble pie

 

[Mountain Dew]

Just don’t eat and count your calories. It’s that simple unless you’re apart of the 5% of fatties who actually have a reason to actually not be able to regulate their metabolism somehow. But it mostly boils down to self-discipline and moderation. You don’t have to eat ‘shitty soup’ all day every day, but making those calories count is a huge deal if you want to lose weight.

Water helps too.

It probably doesn’t help that Big Food Industry makes foods and pop as addicting as possible, but there’s so many alternatives to empty calories out there. It just boils down to a willpower problem in the end. Do you need the whole meal? No. Just get the Big Mac. Do you need a half a bag of chips? No. Portion it out. You’ll have more for later.

 

[Adolf Hitler]

The answer is caloric surplus, caloric surplus and the Snake Diet.

 

[Tay Tay]

black people are more likely to be poor because america is a deeply racist country with a deeply racist past, so yes, there is a correlation. I never suggested that being poor literally causes someone to be obese, either, just that poverty is a sufficient condition to make someone much more likely to be obese due to american classism.

You don't seem to know what "correlation" and "causation" mean. Just because two factors correlate (lets say A and B) that doesn't mean that you can make up a causation that A causes B. Maybe B causes A, maybe they are both caused by other factor C, or maybe this is just coincidence.

You can actually make good argument that both poverty and obesity are caused by laziness and lack of knowledge.

 

[NoReturn]

the Snake Diet.

Nice try, Hitler. Not gonna trick me into getting diarrhea.

 

[Noom Boom]

You can actually make good argument that both poverty and obesity are caused by laziness and lack of knowledge.

Lack of knowledge I think is a big one. Poor people are less likely to have been taught healthy eating habits when they were younger (as their parents were likely also poor, ignorant, and not in the mood to teach macros after a 10 hours shift on their feet). Then as an adult, you're surrounded by other poor people who eat and look just like you, so why are you going to go out of your way to learn something you don't even know is all that important. Everyone has diabetes and medical issues, that's just life. Then this person (who is statistically more likely to have many children) comes home after their 10 hour shift, cooks some quick pasta with garlic bread (cuz it's cheap and easy) and never teaches their children about portion control or balanced diets. And the cycle continues.

 

[Tay Tay]

you're projecting your sophomoric understanding of these things onto me.

You know this is quite basic reasoning? You refer to scientific knowledge, but causal analysis, is very important in scientific metod.

You can certainly try to make this argument, but it's completely unsubstantiated by documented medical and sociological literature, and in fact the people who make these kinds of arguments tend to be the same retarded conservatives who vote for Trump or other Republican dumbasses

I see. "Your argument is similar to what conservatives say, so it is wrong". Smart reasoning, much educated, very scientific. You're the one who started talking about "experts" and "documented medical and sociological literature", so I'm keeping you up to your own standards. If you want to act like reason and science is on your side, that shitty "ur Trump supporter, lol" argument is not going to work.

And you didn't answer my question. What experts? What is this documented medical literature?

 

[Fapcop]

black people are more likely to be poor because america is a deeply racist country with a deeply racist past, so yes, there is a correlation. I never suggested that being poor literally causes someone to be obese, either, just that poverty is a sufficient condition to make someone much more likely to be obese due to american classism.

Actually, I read a recent study that pointed out that both poverty and obesity is primarily caused by being a lazy nigger.

Checkmate.

Lack of knowledge I think is a big one.

Oh please, it’s not like you need a degree in nutrition to know what’s healthy and what’s not. Avoid sugar, avoid fats, eat lean meats, vegetables and fruits.

Kids are bombarded with nutritional advice from before they can walk in kids TV shows and later in school.

How to eat healthy isn’t some mystical science or achievement that only gets unlocked when you reach the middle class.

(Go up to anybody in a poor neighborhood, show them a bottle of coke and a bottle of water and ask which one is healthy, and they’ll all get it right.)


People get obese because of the availability of shitty foods and a lack of self control or motivation.

Read The Road to Wigan Peer by George Orwell if you want to know why people get obese. What he wrote in the 1930ies still holds true today. It’s hardly a rocket science.

 

[Chad Nasty]

more choice quotes from the alt-right sperg who doxxes himself on kiwifarms lol

And still you're a fat reddit faggot on a thread laughing at fatties. You sooo want to believe that your obesity and gelatinous body aren't your fault.
But it is. Sorry that you get tit sweat and chafing from lounging around the house.
Lol, i bet you're ethan ralph size dude.
Look on the bright side tho, if a famine hit you could ride it out like a manatee.
I bet you can't get erections, sad.
You 5XL shirts can be doubled as a tarp if you ever get stuck in the woods bby

Edit: lol dox myself. You dont know who i am fag. Come find me. And if you do i could give 2 shits less. My debauchery is publicly known. Lol what a fag to be afraid of being doxed. Should stop taking all those loads homeboy, you keep making yourself look retarded.

Since i feel bad that you're a total retard or think id give two shits about peolle knowing i shooped ron soye gettin fisted lemme ask you this?
How would you dox me? You cant answer shit cuz you're a cummed out piss slut @ 400lb. But here, I'll dox myself
Jacob Justin Sockness
San Francisco, California

Go to town fatty

Last Edit: if it does happen i might thank you. Theres some dudes i served with that could come out of the woodwork who id handle on spot no questions asked. If they came to me id be overjoyed, it'll be a great time to minecraft

more choice quotes from the alt-right sperg who doxxes himself on kiwifarms lol

Sorry, I couldn't comment on your profile given the length and requoted you here. Since you are extremely overweight I wrote out the poor mans way to strength train and eat healthy:
Given your weight, I am going to assume you are either pre-diabetic or type 2 diabetic. The low carb diets to actually benefit you in many ways. It would benefit you very much to be fat adapted. There are fascinating studies done on fat-adapted athletes.

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The following advice shouldn't be considered unless you talk to your doctor. Given your size and deficiency, there are likely underlying health concerns like fatty liver, heart issues. You sound young, and I wouldn't be surprised given your health that a double bypass isn't unlikely. So acting now will benefit you very greatly.​

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The First 70% is diet, diet, diet
Anyways, now we need to establish your (T)otal (D}aily {E}nergy {E}xpenditure (TDEE)
'This number will tell give me a very accurate calorie limit, From here you are able to do what you like.. As long as it remains under your TDEE that is pretty basic and I am going to outline a morre efficient way.

Ketogenic Diet w/ High Protein for 3-6 months then a low carb diet
We are going to find your macros. This is basically a percentage to follow of each food group.
A ketogenic diet in people your size and poor health have been shown to be very beneficial. Having one with high protein acros will be even better. You will need to calculate your macros. I have historically used IIFYM Keto Calculator. This guideline will need to be an immutable number., I am a snacky bitch and you need to call yourself out. No one has a good time with being disciplined. I promise though, there is pride that is earned. Changing your nature is the hardest thing people can do. Unfortunately, your nature is extremely low quality. We can change that.

*NOTE: Never select the first activity level when calculating, People suck at just guess. If you get a higher calorie count than you actually burn, you will gain weight, however the inverse is true when you assume level. Always choose the option below your first choice.

Record everything you eat and the calories and make sure the portion is weighed on a food scale that tares and measures in grams. The scales can go as low as $13. It will not be in anyway a significant purchase.. I generally don't waste time on weighing my broccoli or cauliflower.

Food scales are literally the difference between success and failure for people trying to maintain a good weight or lose weight. I promise you that portion sizes will piss you off, no one looks at what a 1/4 cup is and is satisfied. This will require routine and discipline.
My diet pretty much looked like cauliflower, chicken, cheese, nuts and broccoli. A big take away is that a lot of these foods are covered by WIC.
Going high protein, eggs are a cheap choice. I personally like chicken. But, animal fat is extremely good for you and has a great oxidation rate.
A large variety of different keto recipes are highly accessible through searching "keto meals" on google. It is not hidden.

That's it for diet which is 70% of the battle. You should also get a scale, there are cheap ones, I personally like the ones showing BF%. BMI is generally not a good indicator of physicality, BF% is far better. Being your size, wait until you hit a 20% bf before to then start using the fat free mass index (FFMI). I personally find this to generally be the best physicality indicator. Mine is 25.06, I am nearly sure you have nowhere near my genetics, so you'll get a high for extremely, extremely overweight. Amblynn Ried probably has a FFMI of 90, you'll have somewhere around there. But when you can actually start tying your shows, it is a very good tool to use

Exercise is the next 30%.

For you, it is going to need to be low impact. You should aim to do a 20 min morning walk before eating. Clear this with your physician as I am cautious with the myriad of heart related issues you likely have.

From there, I am going to give you an extremely cheap option for strength training and one used by astronauts: resistance bands.Do not get resistance bands composed of surgical tubing. Googling things like "Resistance band routines" will get you in the right direction. I would personally recommend this type of set. Though there are cheaper options.

I do a five day routine, if you cannot do any of the following there are alternatives, PM and we can figure something out. This can also just give you an idea of what a training regimine looks like with weights.

1. shoulder+ traps + forearms, end on a 25 minute walk and make a route going uphill. Walking uphill is great low impact cardio
2. Legs (make sure to focus attention on your hamstrings and hip muscles), end on a 25 minute walk
3. Back (I do traps with it, I don't deadlift since I stopped strength athletics for good mornings), end on a 25 minute walk
4. Chest + Biceps + Quads, end on a 25 minute walk
5. Arms + Shoulders + hips + calves, have a 25 minute walk

This is very doable and nearly all of it can be bought using WIC, or is very cheap. There isn't even a need for a gym membership. My veggies just get thrown in the microwave and I frie my cheap chicken. Lunch, breakfast are the exact same way. I just drink a bulk shake for breakfast and for lunch I have some nuts and chease shit,

You are fully able to do this if you are disciplined, I will answer your questions and or concern. Being extremely fat goes hand in hand with being opinionated and retarded simultaneously. I can only imagine how awful your living space smells as well.
Once you actually feel pride about achieving discipline, pride in yourself for not being over 400lb and can feel good about the work: you'll probably stop being such a stupid ghetto gagger.

People who are proud about their bodies aren't scared of showing them, I can say that in every fitness community. Just give keto a few months and then switch to a low carb diet as this time allows your body to become fat adapted and less dependent on glycogen stores.

*Last note, unused protein basically becomes sugar in the body, Just be cognizant of that.

Stop delaying my dox too. Its annoying. I want my internet fame of faggot fatties. I also want to take care of some business. You evidently can dox me cuz ur 1337 and super high IQ. This should have been a 10min job since I doxxed myself already. Stop being a cocktease.

Good luck buddy, getting your size will be a tough come back, but I promise you the world. It will be hard to overcome being so extremely fat and opinionated.

When you're not such a disaster go ahead an #PostPhysique. It pisses fatties off all the time.

holy shit lmao calm down boomer

I give you free advice and plan on how to lose weight on a low budget, show you empathy and your mind just short circuits, huh? Pretty typical of morbidly obese people. You're kinda like lividlipids like this.

Come on fatty, you can call me any name in the book. But, at the end of the day you are still this: a fat and retarded guy who defaults to "boomer". You probably got made fun of a lot at school, not just because you're amberlynn ried's size, but also because you just didn't have the creativity to really do anything about being made fun of.

I know you probably broke down in massive tears on this:

How sad, the one thing that could save your life, and you choose to be an incredibly fat and retarded reddit tier fuckboi.

You know and I know the truth. You can hide behind "wit" all day, but you're a super fat guy. You're just like Amber and have no personal respect or accountability to become so gross. It leaves me with the only question left to ask: how often does your mom wipe your ass since you are physically unable?

 

[Noom Boom]

Actually, I read a recent study that pointed out that both poverty and obesity is primarily caused by being a lazy nigger.

Checkmate.




Oh please, it’s not like you need a degree in nutrition to know what’s healthy and what’s not. Avoid sugar, avoid fats, eat lean meats, vegetables and fruits.

Kids are bombarded with nutritional advice from before they can walk in kids TV shows and later in school.

How to eat healthy isn’t some mystical science or achievement that only gets unlocked when you reach the middle class.

(Go up to anybody in a poor neighborhood, show them a bottle of coke and a bottle of water and ask which one is healthy, and they’ll all get it right.)


People get obese because of the availability of shitty foods and a lack of self control or motivation.

Read The Road to Wigan Peer by George Orwell if you want to know why people get obese. What he wrote in the 1930ies still holds true today. It’s hardly a rocket science.

Well...no, because if it was just "the availability of shitty foods and a lack of self control or motivation" than there would be just as many obese rich people as poor. The rich would have even more access to the shitty foods and more money to buy it and there are just as many unmotivated/lacking in self control rich people as poor people.

Logically, there has to be something else going on.