Jacob Stuart Harrison Storytelling Thread - FSTDT Forums Ex-Pet Lolcow

[MarineTrainedTard]

"The part where God created the Earth in six days is not literally true, but everything else in the bible is literally true"

Lawd I do love me some cherry-picking

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I hate to say it but it looks like FSDT trolled us hard

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

That person is not your friend.

@Jacob Harrison I'm gonna give @Dynastia this one. Dynastia is right! Stick that in the quote rotation because it's one for the ages.

 

[MW 590]

That's basically just medieval conjecture and mythologizing of a canonized saint. There's no evidence to suggest this. If anything Edward Ætheling had a claim as he was closest to Edwards line and a member of the house of Wessex.

It is documented that William visited Edward the Confessor in 1051 and that Harold Godwinson was shipwrecked in Normandy where the sacred oath was sworn.

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

It is documented that William visited Edward the Confessor in 1051 and that Harold Godwinson was shipwrecked in Normandy where the sacred oath was sworn.

Give me a contemporary source.

EDIT: A RELIABLE contemporary source.

 

[DNJACK]

He fucked her but he pulled out. That is the sin of Onan. He spilled his seed on the ground, but the context is what is important.

The reason it was a sin was he was obligated by divine law to take his late brother's place and give his brother's wife offspring. By pulling out he frustrated that purpose.

It is a modern thing to attach a global rule to that against any form of non-procreative sex.

this is an interpretation, but not cannon. Some believe he was punished for fucking his brother's wife.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

Sodom has never been discovered. You'd think we'd find signs of an apocalyptic meteor storm but apparently not. It was more about contravening the laws of Xenia anyway.

But if you really want to take it as being punishment for fags, you do know the only people God saved there (he killed Lot's wife with the pillar of Salt thing) was Lot so his two daughters could rape him in his sleep right?

Incest wasn't a problem at the start, and yet by the time of Aquinas he ranks it as a mortal sin.

 

[MW 590]

Give me a contemporary source.

EDIT: A RELIABLE contemporary source.

The Anglo Saxon Chronicle.

Sodom has never been discovered. You'd think we'd find signs of an apocalyptic meteor storm but apparently not. It was more about contravening the laws of Xenia anyway.

But if you really want to take it as being punishment for fags, you do know the only people God saved there (he killed Lot's wife with the pillar of Salt thing) was Lot so his two daughters could rape him in his sleep right?

Incest wasn't a problem at the start, and yet by the time of Aquinas he ranks it as a mortal sin.

Because Lot was the only righteous man in the city. The Bible does not say that the incest between Lot and his daughters as a good thing.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

The Anglo Saxon Chronicle.

The three main Anglo-Norman historians, John of Worcester, William of Malmesbury and Henry of Huntingdon, each had a copy of the Chronicle, which they adapted for their own purposes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_Chronicle#Sources,_reliability_and_dating

Would you have written an account about a vanquished foe when the man who beat him was still alive and could kill you for pissing him off?

Because Lot was the only righteous man in the city. The Bible does not say that the incest between Lot and his daughters as a good thing.

Sarah marrying Abraham in the Book of Genesis comes to mind first as being half-siblings, though it's not the only one. The Old Testament doesn't turn anti-incest until Leviticus, and even then isn't consistent with it.

The Bible calls out specific configurations of incest as unacceptable anyway, though they do contradict each other. The most notable being according to the bible, fucking your daughter is perfectly fine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_in_the_Bible

 

[LazarusOwenhart]

The Anglo Saxon Chronicle.

Which is neither contemporary or considered particularly reliable. Granted it makes mention of William as being legitimate but, as they say, history is written by the victors.

 

[AnOminous]

This is from Catholic Answers and it shows that not giving his brother's wife offspring is not the only reason he was killed.

That's just, like, their opinion, man.

This is literally all there is to it:

[7] And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
[8] And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
[9] And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
[10] And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

Anything more than that is a gloss and a highly speculative one.

 

[MW 590]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Saxon_Chronicle#Sources,_reliability_and_dating

Would you have written an account about a vanquished foe when the man who beat him was still alive and could kill you for pissing him off?

Now I am having a mental breakdown because now I am not sure if the accounts are accurate so now I am not sure who is the true monarch of England. I must do more research on it.

Sarah marrying Abraham in the Book of Genesis comes to mind first as being half-siblings, though it's not the only one. The Old Testament doesn't turn anti-incest until Leviticus, and even then isn't consistent with it.

The Bible calls out specific configurations of incest as unacceptable anyway, though they do contradict each other. The most notable being according to the bible, fucking your daughter is perfectly fine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest_in_the_Bible

The Israelites by the time of Leviticus must have been more enlightened and realized that incest is bad.

That's just, like, their opinion, man.

This is literally all there is to it:

[7] And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.
[8] And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
[9] And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
[10] And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.

Anything more than that is a gloss and a highly speculative one.

They provided evidence, not just speculation. They said that the punishment for refusing to have children with your brother's widow was humiliation, so the fact that he was killed indicates that he committed a more serious offense.

 

[AnOminous]

They provided evidence, not just speculation. They said that the punishment for refusing to have children with your brother's widow was humiliation, so the fact that he was killed indicates that he committed a more serious offense.

And somehow God entirely forgot to mention this in his Bible.

 

[DNJACK]

They said that the punishment for refusing to have children with your brother's widow was humiliation

According to God or according to the laws of men? Because if God believes refusing to have children with your brother's widow deserves humiliation than we are doing something completely immoral in this day and age.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

Now I am having a mental breakdown because now I am not sure if the accounts are accurate meaning that I am not sure who is the true monarch of England. I must do more research on it.

Dude. The Royals have special rights, but they don't have any power anymore.

Even if you could replace Elizabeth with Charlemagne 2.0, he wouldn't actually have any authority to do much of anything. Chill bruh.

The Israelites by the time of Leviticus must have been more enlightened and realized that incest is bad.

So....The Israelites had to realise Incest was bad before Yahweh started killing people for it. On the other hand, he quite happily killed entire cities for not knowing his rules or that he probably even existed?

They provided evidence, not just speculation. They said that the punishment for refusing to have children with your brother's widow was humiliation, so the fact that he was killed indicates that he committed a more serious offense.

According to Ezekiel 24:15-18 Yahweh will sometimes just kill you because he fancies it, without any reason. The offence doesn't really come into it necessarily.

 

[MW 590]

According to God or according to the laws of men? Because if God believes refusing to have children with your brother's widow deserves humiliation than we are doing something completely immoral in this day and age.

It is from Deuteronomy 25:57 but it was one of those many Old Testament laws that was changed by the Apostles

Dude. The royals have special rights, but they don't have any power anymore.

Even if you could replace Elizabeth with Charlegmagne 2.0, he wouldn't actually have any authority to do much of anything. Chill bruh.

But as I said, the restored true monarch will rule not just reign because he will inherit that right from his ancestors.

So....The Israelites had to realise Incest was bad before Yahweh started killing people for it. On the other hand, he quite happily killed entire cities for not knowing his rules or that he probably even existed?

According to Ezikiel 24:15-18 Yahweh will sometimes just kill you because he fancies it, without any reason. Offense doesn't really come into it.

Well the wages of sin is death meaning that God is justified in killing anyone. I made this argument during a debate about the genocide of the Canannites.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

But as I said, the restored true monarch will rule not just reign because he will inherit that right from his ancestors.

Energetic as Elizabeth's Corgi's are, I think it's going to take more manpower for your King to do much. Especially since the Vat-

Actually there's an interesting one. What are your thoughts on Pope Francis Jacob?

Well the wages of sin is death meaning that God is justified in killing anyone. I made this argument during a debate about the genocide of the Canannites.

I know, I just want to clarify. Can't wait for the explanation of the Star Wars/Bowser crossover though.

 

[MW 590]

Energetic as Elizabeth's Corgi's are, I think it's going to take more manpower for your King to do much. Especially since the Vat-

Actually there's an interesting one. What are your thoughts on Pope Francis Jacob?



I know, I just want to clarify. Can't wait for the explanation of the Star Wars/Bowser crossover though.

I think that Pope Francis is a disaster for the Church. He is the most liberal Pope. He promotes socialism, doesn’t take enough action to stop the sexual abuse scandals, does not condemn homosexual behavior saying that he is not in a position to judge despite the fact that it is his job as the Vicar of Christ to judge, has considered allowing divorced to receive the Eucharist, and supports illegal immigration in the US and Muslim immigration in Europe.

 

[MarineTrainedTard]

I love Catholics who are buttblasted that the Pope expresses more concern over the sick, poor, and hungry, instead of reeeing about the gays

 

[MW 590]

I love Catholics who are buttblasted that the Pope expresses more concern over the sick, poor, and hungry, instead of reeeing about the gays

I think that it is great for the Pope to express concern about the sick, poor, and hungry. I support Francis doing that but I oppose him for the other things.

 

[DNJACK]

are you questioning God's choice when he chose Francis?