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[DrJonesHat]

But they are so focused on stopping terrorists that they won't expect that someone on Kiwi Farms will be plotting to infiltrate their government.

They already know about you. So does the UK, France, and the US. The FBI has a whole department to monitor wackos on the internet because people with insane ideas have gotten violent in the past in pursuit of their goals, as strange as they may be. They already have a file on you. Right now you're in the "harmless weirdo" category. Keep babbling about overthrowing governments, and you might get picked up by the local police for an involuntary psych hold. Those aren't fun, and once that happens, it's on your record forever.

 

[MW 590]

They already know about you. So does the UK, France, and the US. The FBI has a whole department to monitor wackos on the internet because people with insane ideas have gotten violent in the past in pursuit of their goals, as strange as they may be. They already have a file on you. Right now you're in the "harmless weirdo" category. Keep babbling about overthrowing governments, and you might get picked up by the local police for an involuntary psych hold. Those aren't fun, and once that happens, it's on your record forever.

While they know about me, they will not know who the secret agents of my society will be because my societies meetings will be secret and at secret locations. They will underestimate me because they think that I am just a "harmless weirdo."

 

[DrJonesHat]

While they know about me, they will not know who the secret agents of my society will be because my societies meetings will be secret and at secret locations.

Oh yes, well, they should just pack it in. Nothing they can do now. Nope. Not a thing.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

I can find Israeli Christians who will pretend to be Jewish when running for political office as well as Israelis who are willing to become secret agents for money. Those kind of people exist in every country.

But Catholic teaching says the ends never justify the means, ever.

It's like the old experiment with the train tracks, would you push one person in front of a train if you could stop the train running ten other people? The Catholic answer is no because even if it serves a greater good evil can never be suffered.

Surely God wouldn't want a Catholic Monarch who was installed through sin?!

 

[MW 590]

Oh yes, well, they should just pack it in. Nothing they can do now. Nope. Not a thing.

They won't do a thing because they will just think that I am a "harmless weirdo."

 

[MarineTrainedTard]

While they know about me, they will not know who the secret agents of my society will be because my societies meetings will be secret and at secret locations. They will underestimate me because they think that I am just a "harmless weirdo."

 

[DrJonesHat]

They won't do a thing because they will just think that I am a "harmless weirdo."

Oh, they might change that opinion.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

They won't do a thing because they will just think that I am a "harmless weirdo."

 

[MW 590]

But Catholic teaching says the ends never justify the means, ever.

It's like the old experiment with the train tracks, would you push one person in front of a train if you could stop the train running ten other people? The Catholic answer is no because even if it serves a greater good evil can never be suffered.

Surely God wouldn't want a Catholic Monarch who was installed through sin?!

This is what the catechism says on it.

1756 It is therefore an error to judge the morality of human acts by considering only the intention that inspires them or the circumstances (environment, social pressure, duress or emergency, etc.) which supply their context. There are acts which, in and of themselves, independently of circumstances and intentions, are always gravely illicit by reason of their object; such as blasphemy and perjury, murder and adultery. One may not do evil so that good may result from it.

It does not include hiring people for a job, because that is not a sin.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

This is what the catechism says on it.

It does not include hiring people for a job, because that is not a sin.

Your Catholic monarchs rise will be built upon the eternal damnation of all your spies who act contrary to the Catholic faith, and yourself.

“Lying is the most direct offense against the truth. To lie is to speak or act against the truth in order to lead someone into error. By injuring man’s relation to truth and to his neighbor, a lie offends against the fundamental relation of man and of his word to the Lord.” [Catechism of the Catholic Church, n. 2482, 2483.]

 

[MW 590]

Your Catholic monarchs rise will be built upon the eternal damnation of all your spies who act contrary to the Catholic faith, and yourself.

But that has to be put into context. Many Catholics who helped protect Jews during the holocaust lied to the Nazis in order to save their lives, so lying in certain situations is justified.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

But that has to be put into context. Many Catholics who helped protect Jews during the holocaust lied to the Nazis in order to save their lives, so lying in certain situations is justified.

Pope John Paul II: “Consequently, circumstances or intentions can never transform an act intrinsically evil by virtue of its object into an act “subjectively” good or defensible as a choice.” [Veritatis Splendor, n. 81.]

Catechism of the Catholic Church: “By its very nature, lying is to be condemned.” [n. 2485.]

 

[MarineTrainedTard]

Hmm, yes, intelligence agencies are notorious for being completely stymied by anonymous people meeting in anonymous locations. Surely they will never be able to figure this shit out. No secret organizations with anonymous membership have ever been infiltrated by the CIA or FBI.

 

[DrJonesHat]

Hmm, yes, intelligence agencies are notorious for being completely stymied by anonymous people meeting in anonymous locations. Surely they will never be able to figure this shit out. No secret organizations with anonymous membership have ever been infiltrated by the CIA or FBI.

Is it really a secret organization when the head conspirator announces his intention to have a secret meeting? The Global Satanic Conspiracy at least uses a private mailing list.

 

[MW 590]

This is from Catholic Answers

The difficulty of conceptualizing the perfect definition has caused many over the centuries to insist on the existence of the necessary lie. Such a lie arises from a conflict between justice and veracity when the exercise of both virtues is demanded by the selfsame moral situation. In other words, we are obliged to tell the truth, and we are also obliged to keep secrets, but there are times when the only way to keep a secret is to lie. Both keeping secrets and speaking truthfully are included under all standard expositions of the natural law and the eighth commandment. When our obligation to protect a secret conflicts with our obligation to tell the truth, the result is a necessary lie—necessary not because it helps us to avoid some potential pain but because it is the only way to preserve justice. On this reading, a very particular exception to the rule exists when there are conflicting moral requirements. We may—indeed, we must—deceive the thugs because it is the lesser of two evils.

Since the secret agents are obliged to keep it a secret that they are secret agents of a Catholic Organization infiltrating their government, lying that they are regular politicians falls under the category of a necessary lie.

Hmm, yes, intelligence agencies are notorious for being completely stymied by anonymous people meeting in anonymous locations. Surely they will never be able to figure this shit out. No secret organizations with anonymous membership have ever been infiltrated by the CIA or FBI.

But they won't bother infiltrating as long as they think that I am not a credible threat. And the CIA and FBI don't have me on their radar because they are focused on stopping threats to America, not someone who plans to infiltrate governments in other countries.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

This is from Catholic Answers

Since the secret agents in Turkey and Israel are obliged to keep it a secret that they are secret agents of a Catholic Organization infiltrating their government, lying that they are regular politicians falls under the category of a necessary lie.

II. Respect for the Dignity of Persons

Respect for the souls of others: scandal

2284 Scandal is an attitude or behavior which leads another to do evil. the person who gives scandal becomes his neighbor's tempter. He damages virtue and integrity; he may even draw his brother into spiritual death. Scandal is a grave offense if by deed or omission another is deliberately led into a grave offense.

2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized. It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his depth of the sea."85 Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he sheep's clothing.86

2286 Scandal can be provoked by laws or institutions, by fashion or opinion.



Therefore, they are guilty of scandal who establish laws or social structures leading to the morals and the corruption of religious practice, or to "social conditions that, intentionally or not, make Christian conduct and obedience to the Commandments difficult and practically impossible."87 This is also true of business leaders who make rules fraud, teachers who provoke their children to anger,88 or public opinion who turn it away from moral values.

2287 Anyone who uses the power at his disposal in such a way that it leads others to do wrong becomes guilty of scandal and responsible for the evil that he has directly or indirectly encouraged. "Temptations to sin are sure to come; but woe to him by whom they come!"89

Catholic Answers can say what it likes in its frantic mental gymnastics. What you propose isn't to save lives anyway (and it still wouldn't be a consistent justification), but you're directly leading people to commit the sin of scandal.

 

[Marco Fucko]

But they won't bother infiltrating as long as they think that I am not a credible threat. And the CIA and FBI don't have me on their radar because they are focused on stopping threats to America, not someone who plans to infiltrate governments in other countries.

So American intelligence agencies would never share information with other intelligence agencies, the agencies of nations that monitor international concerns in relation to their host, and would certainly never share information with a country that their host country sends billions to, has an unofficial custom of the President visiting a holy wall connected to the Temple Mount, and has multiple dual citizens in high positions, right?

 

[MarineTrainedTard]

Overthrowing major allied governments is 100% something of concern to American intelligence agencies and they would take a keen interest in any threat to them. Furthermore, they would not abide a US Citizen (which I assume you and many of your hypothetical colleagues would be) conspiring to overthrow an allied government.

You're a phenomenal troll, though, 10/10

 

[MW 590]

Catholic Answers can say what it likes in its frantic mental gymnastics. What you propose isn't to save lives anyway (and it still wouldn't be a consistent justification), but you're directly leading people to commit the sin of scandal.

It gives the Catholic definition of scandal as being an attitude or behavior which leads to another to do evil. However infiltrating governments to restore Catholic monarchy and liberate Constantinople and the Holy Land is good not evil.

Overthrowing major allied governments is 100% something of concern to American intelligence agencies and they would take a keen interest in any threat to them. Furthermore, they would not abide a US Citizen (which I assume you and many of your hypothetical colleagues would be) conspiring to overthrow an allied government.

You're a phenomenal troll, though, 10/10

But it is not overthrowing allied governments, it is infiltrating and taking over the allied governments. Why would American intelligence agencies care about who comes to power in the governments of their allies? That is a nation's domestic matter. Trump under his America First Policy would not consider it to be America's problem.

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

It gives the Catholic definition of scandal as being an attitude or behavior which leads to another to do evil. However infiltrating governments to restore Catholic monarchy and liberate Constantinople and the Holy Land is good not evil.

Pope John Paul and the chatechism both state lying is always evil without exception. Your plan hinges upon weaving a worldwide web of lies.

Is your God so feeble he needs a twenty something year old man to tell fibs? Shits gone downhill since Sodom apparently.