Manwithn0n0men
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James Cameron's Avatar to get four sequels - The message will still be the same
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I'm seriously wondering if this might be the biggest bomb ever. I mean, it's possible there's consoomers enough to do this, but I dunno.
The only thing that makes me think it won't be is that they say this about almost every Cameron movie and so far...
The only thing that makes me think it won't be is that they say this about almost every Cameron movie and so far...
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Smity Werbenjagermanjensen
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If we somehow get a complete pentalogy, I hope 3/4ths the way into Avatar 5, humanity does the realistic option, drops a couple hundred nukes from orbit on Pandera, and the last fourth of the film is just a montage of miners getting that sweet Unobtainium.
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The cope for this movie is off the charts.
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Every single article for this has been “Oh sure it’s underperforming, yet that’s just because the people are WAITING! Surely over the next few weekends it’ll grow to two billion!”
‘Avatar: The Way Of Water’ Opens To $134M; Why Pic’s Box Office Fate Will Be Determined Through The Holidays – Sunday AM Update
SUNDAY AM WRITETHRU after Saturday PM Update: 20th Century Studios/Disney’s Avatar: The Way of Water is coming in close to where we told you last night: $44.5M for Saturday and an opening wee…
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Every single article for this has been “Oh sure it’s underperforming, yet that’s just because the people are WAITING! Surely over the next few weekends it’ll grow to two billion!”
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Society would've been better if Fantf4stick never existed and also if they rejected the sequel after countless delays, then the Fox/Disney merger would never have happened.
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Best line:The cope for this movie is off the charts.
‘Avatar: The Way Of Water’ Opens To $134M; Why Pic’s Box Office Fate Will Be Determined Through The Holidays – Sunday AM Update
SUNDAY AM WRITETHRU after Saturday PM Update: 20th Century Studios/Disney’s Avatar: The Way of Water is coming in close to where we told you last night: $44.5M for Saturday and an opening wee…
Every single article for this has been “Oh sure it’s underperforming, yet that’s just because the people are WAITING! Surely over the next few weekends it’ll grow to two billion!”
"That said, if Avatar 2 comes in under its $150M expectations, it’s because audiences are waiting to secure ideal seats in a premium format — and the best time might be after this weekend. "
just wow
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Watching the movie now. 30 minutes in and all the furries act like this
Stephen Lang is the best character in this movie. He’s a furry because he’s basically a clone.
Stephen Lang is the best character in this movie. He’s a furry because he’s basically a clone.
WhiskeyJack
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Have the humans remembered that they can just drop a bioweapon on the planet and solve the "Na'vi Question" in about a week?
The thing that really annoyed me with the first film is that the film desperately wants the audience to hate the human faction by making them cartoonishly "evil", and is pushing this anti-colonizer/Na'vi are just Space Indians thing, but the evil human corporation just spends a fortune trying to peacefully deal with the Na'vi (despite them murdering human miners) and not simply taking them over at gunpoint. They don't actually fight the Na'vi until nearly the end of the second act.
They could've shown the humans handing out the equivalent of smallpox blankets or capturing Na'vi children to raise in humans schools (like the Canadians did to their indians), or even a decent death march to the reservation ala the Trail of Tears. The humans have orbital weaponry and modern chemistry at their disposal, and their entire war with the Na'vi is a couple guys with rifles sitting on top an oversized Osprey, and some fertilizer bombs on a pallet. Our modern-day military would annihilate the Na'vi with ease and our media would happily depict them as alien scum who probably like Putin and swastikas.
For such a blatant propaganda film, Avatar was remarkably toothless; it's like Cameron didn't have the balls to show the humans actually being evil.
Kiwisee
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I just realized that there isn’t a racial slur that exists against Navi and now I petition that we come up with one ourselves.
I propose Xenoscum, tree climber or Xigger
I propose Xenoscum, tree climber or Xigger
Smity Werbenjagermanjensen
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TBF, the first Avatar had some insane legs, so it's not coming from people's asses. Still don't think it's going to get past the 1.5 Billion mark since the original was lightning in a bottle in that regard.The cope for this movie is off the charts.
‘Avatar: The Way Of Water’ Opens To $134M; Why Pic’s Box Office Fate Will Be Determined Through The Holidays – Sunday AM Update
SUNDAY AM WRITETHRU after Saturday PM Update: 20th Century Studios/Disney’s Avatar: The Way of Water is coming in close to where we told you last night: $44.5M for Saturday and an opening wee…
Every single article for this has been “Oh sure it’s underperforming, yet that’s just because the people are WAITING! Surely over the next few weekends it’ll grow to two billion!”
The whole "Infinitely technologically superior faction gets beaten by primitives" is a problem all alien invasion films kind of have. (Although there was one film that showed the aftermath of an alien invasion that the aliens won in a curbstomp I remember bring excited for thanks to it's concept a few years ago, but it ended up sucking.) But at least alien invasion films bother to have modern humanity going up against the aliens.
Imagine if a movie came out where the Roman Empire (much more advanced than Na'vi in basically every way I can think of except the Na'vi have flying animals they can ride on) kick the ass of some alien invaders, it would being laughed at as absurd. But since Na'vi are basically just blue american Indians they get a pass.
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"The High Crusade" by Poul Anderson is a novel that features advanced aliens landing in Britain during the 100 Year's War, and getting curbstomped by the local Baron's army. In that case, it's because the aliens have no concept of hand-to-hand warfare due to it being obsolete to their form of warfare and all their armor being designed to stop lasers not physical weapons. They also have no concept of torture, as it was so barbaric they've outlawed it for so long it's become unthinkable. The Brits torture them, take over their ship, and then go into space to conquer the heathens in a new crusade. Intentionally silly as a premise, but at least there was some effort made to explain why the advanced aliens are actually weaker than the less advanced humans due to cultural differences.
Kiwisee
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I’m too scared to check and see if people are making porn of the water Navis yet.
Already seeing people Simp for one of the new water Navis, which makes me even more nervous
Already seeing people Simp for one of the new water Navis, which makes me even more nervous
Lurking no more
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Why would you have even the faintest sliver of hope that there isn't any porn of them? You may as well start asking if gasoline burns.
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That's something I've founddissatisfying about much "progressive" propaganda of the last decade or so: it lacks the balls to actually go all the way. The bad guys are evil, but always in a cartoon villain fashion that's as over the top as it is directionless and unsuccesful. They're a prop to be knocked over by the good guys, ready to save the day from the evil white men (in this case, humans in general) who oppressed everything and everyone for all eternity. When much of the time, if the villain wasn't stupid as fuck, they would go much, much harder and employ actual evil, but that would be successful and effective, and that would muddy the message, so they just... don't. It's not enough to present your enemies as ontologically evil, they also have to be doomed to failure on top of it.
As a result, I think it ends up backfiring more often than not, either by making the villains look like impotent jokes the whole time, or by making the villains seem sympathetic or even charming. When I saw Avatar 1, I sympathized with the humans quite a bit and thought they were being pretty damn reasonable considering their supposed critical need for "Unobtanium" and the fact they had tried to extensively make peace with the Navi rather than just taking what they wanted by force. When the humans chimped out rather than nuking from orbit to get what they needed, it made me feel like humans were in an even worse position than I thought, given they didn't just warp in a fleet of ships and take over finally. Sending almost everyone out to try to take the "Unobtanium" at gunpoint was so stupid I naturally assumed desperation on the part of the humans, because obviously such a shitty strategy wouldn't be their plan B in a better scenario. Right?
But now I'm supposed to think they totally could have glassed the planet and sent in a mop up army to clean the rest, but they decided to suicide themselves instead? Instead of leaving and coming back in force, or chilling in orbit until reinforcements arrived? Or even just staying at base until then? Yeah right dude. Way to take a flimsy story and shatter it.
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Okay I came back from watching the movie and dear god it's somehow worse than the first
The only good things in the movie were the visual effects (with some actually cool creature, mech, and environmental designs) but even then it got old quickly and some of the CG still showed in certain scenes. Lang's character was much weaker in this film but their performance at least was good. The daughter (Kiri I think her name was) and the younger son were probably the only other well acted performances in the film and actually felt like characters since there was stuff to them. The human characters also actually seemed to try despite mostly being stock characters. There was also some good action in the film as well. There were also some unintentionally funny moments at times.
Other than that the movie is utterly retarded. It keeps many of the same problems with the first film like the white savior bullshit with Jake Sully who is also a boring protective dad character. He also fucking randomly narrates during scenes to explain stuff you can tell for yourself, like seriously his narration could be removed and those scenes would be improved exponentially. The other characters are stock character types with three exceptions who I mentioned before. Sully's wife is just angry protective mom, his first born son is just Older Responsible Brother (He's also the only character on the protagonists side who dies and has a cliche death scene), and the other kids I forgot to mention are pretty forgettable. There's also a kid who is the Colonel's son who is just bootleg Tarzan and he is one of the worst new characters of the movie with pretty inconsistent motivations. Like for some reason when the Colonel clone comes back to be a father figure to him, they sort of get along but it's a hollow bond. Later for some reason Bootleg Tarzan saves the fucking Colonel from death even though he wants to murder his adopted family who he's spent more than a decade with (since this movie takes place at least a decade after the first one).
The Na'Vi themselves are incredibly uninteresting. They literally are just stock tribespeople and their culture literally is uncreative. Outside of the animals and environment, this supposedly alien species also coincidentally has huts and kayaks just like normal tribespeople. What genius worldbuilding James Cameron. It doesn't help the water Na'Vi bow down to suck Jake Sully's dick because he's so cool. He even became one of them in the end.
The Human villains besides the Colonel are literally retarded fucking Captain Planet Villains. Despite the fact they had survivors from a prior Na'Vi attack, they never fucking adapted at all, never wear any armor and keep the same technology where these primitive weapons can easily pierce and kill people through. The human villains also act cartoonishly evil like this Australian stereotype who loves whaling and wants to kill all the whales for their "Anti-Aging Oil" and its just pathetic. If this human faction are the antagonists, what the fuck are the stakes for any future Avatar movies. Why should I give a shit about this franchise if all the villains are incompetent retards or were already defeated prior. The only new technology that the humans have is Crab Mechs and Echo Location Blasters. There's also the Avatar cloning where they can insert memories and personalities of people into but it's not that interesting.
Everything else about the movie is either mid or semi-competent. Either way if this movie makes a lot of money, it's only because it's the sequel to one of the highest grossing movies which came out 13 years ago. I can guarantee that if it succeeds that Avatar 3 and 4 wouldn't make as much money.
tl;dr Film is like the first one with sprinkles of good things but even worse
The only good things in the movie were the visual effects (with some actually cool creature, mech, and environmental designs) but even then it got old quickly and some of the CG still showed in certain scenes. Lang's character was much weaker in this film but their performance at least was good. The daughter (Kiri I think her name was) and the younger son were probably the only other well acted performances in the film and actually felt like characters since there was stuff to them. The human characters also actually seemed to try despite mostly being stock characters. There was also some good action in the film as well. There were also some unintentionally funny moments at times.
Other than that the movie is utterly retarded. It keeps many of the same problems with the first film like the white savior bullshit with Jake Sully who is also a boring protective dad character. He also fucking randomly narrates during scenes to explain stuff you can tell for yourself, like seriously his narration could be removed and those scenes would be improved exponentially. The other characters are stock character types with three exceptions who I mentioned before. Sully's wife is just angry protective mom, his first born son is just Older Responsible Brother (He's also the only character on the protagonists side who dies and has a cliche death scene), and the other kids I forgot to mention are pretty forgettable. There's also a kid who is the Colonel's son who is just bootleg Tarzan and he is one of the worst new characters of the movie with pretty inconsistent motivations. Like for some reason when the Colonel clone comes back to be a father figure to him, they sort of get along but it's a hollow bond. Later for some reason Bootleg Tarzan saves the fucking Colonel from death even though he wants to murder his adopted family who he's spent more than a decade with (since this movie takes place at least a decade after the first one).
The Na'Vi themselves are incredibly uninteresting. They literally are just stock tribespeople and their culture literally is uncreative. Outside of the animals and environment, this supposedly alien species also coincidentally has huts and kayaks just like normal tribespeople. What genius worldbuilding James Cameron. It doesn't help the water Na'Vi bow down to suck Jake Sully's dick because he's so cool. He even became one of them in the end.
The Human villains besides the Colonel are literally retarded fucking Captain Planet Villains. Despite the fact they had survivors from a prior Na'Vi attack, they never fucking adapted at all, never wear any armor and keep the same technology where these primitive weapons can easily pierce and kill people through. The human villains also act cartoonishly evil like this Australian stereotype who loves whaling and wants to kill all the whales for their "Anti-Aging Oil" and its just pathetic. If this human faction are the antagonists, what the fuck are the stakes for any future Avatar movies. Why should I give a shit about this franchise if all the villains are incompetent retards or were already defeated prior. The only new technology that the humans have is Crab Mechs and Echo Location Blasters. There's also the Avatar cloning where they can insert memories and personalities of people into but it's not that interesting.
Everything else about the movie is either mid or semi-competent. Either way if this movie makes a lot of money, it's only because it's the sequel to one of the highest grossing movies which came out 13 years ago. I can guarantee that if it succeeds that Avatar 3 and 4 wouldn't make as much money.
tl;dr Film is like the first one with sprinkles of good things but even worse
Manwithn0n0men
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So........
1. Visuals are better [ though less Sea Fauna was designed....I mean....Sea Creatures are pretty damned weird. They copy pasted a lot of IRL shit and I can't say I blame them]
2. How the sequel happened with kids and stuff really WORKS. How they did that little bit to say "Hey You 'member Avatar" while kids grew up....it was pretty good.
3. The writing was better. For the "CHARACTERS" ( Sully. his kids, his wife, their allies, their new tribe, The Antagonist) were all well thought out . What they did made since and was driven by their character.....now it was VERY FUCKING emotionally manipulative. Because the story is basic bitch [ because that is all it needs to be]
4. The Human Tech all looked cool.
5. The Acting from the central characters was all good.
My Number 1 problem is this:
The World Building makes fuckall sense. And the World Building how it connects to the stakes and their escalation de-escalation is where it makes the least sense.
1. Visuals are better [ though less Sea Fauna was designed....I mean....Sea Creatures are pretty damned weird. They copy pasted a lot of IRL shit and I can't say I blame them]
2. How the sequel happened with kids and stuff really WORKS. How they did that little bit to say "Hey You 'member Avatar" while kids grew up....it was pretty good.
3. The writing was better. For the "CHARACTERS" ( Sully. his kids, his wife, their allies, their new tribe, The Antagonist) were all well thought out . What they did made since and was driven by their character.....now it was VERY FUCKING emotionally manipulative. Because the story is basic bitch [ because that is all it needs to be]
4. The Human Tech all looked cool.
5. The Acting from the central characters was all good.
My Number 1 problem is this:
The World Building makes fuckall sense. And the World Building how it connects to the stakes and their escalation de-escalation is where it makes the least sense.
Oh.....because the whales have the cure for immortality? So if earth is *DYING* and we have the ability to upload minds into genetically created bodies and "oh yeah" make the bodies fucking immortal....and have tip top assemblerbots....why in the fuck go back to a shitty moon of a gas giant? " So: Humans went from negotiation to fuck it we have to do a war crime to....fuck it genocide is needed to save humanity? Really James? "
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Was it Titanic or The Abyss that does the scene where our main characters are in a sinking vessel, heads sticking above water, and they have their big come together moment as air is running out? Because I think it was The Abyss that did it first. I could check but I don't want to because I don't like The Abyss very much.
I mention that because Cameron does that scene again in this movie... Yes, I skimmed through the cam copy and I noticed that. I refuse to watch the whole thing not unless I can wrangle a good hate-watch party going.
I mention that because Cameron does that scene again in this movie... Yes, I skimmed through the cam copy and I noticed that. I refuse to watch the whole thing not unless I can wrangle a good hate-watch party going.
Kiwisee
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I’m a bit surprised that no one has uploaded the whole movie yet