James Cameron's Avatar to get four sequels - The message will still be the same

Doctor of Autism said:
Okay I came back from watching the movie and dear god it's somehow worse than the first

The only good things in the movie were the visual effects (with some actually cool creature, mech, and environmental designs) but even then it got old quickly and some of the CG still showed in certain scenes. Lang's character was much weaker in this film but their performance at least was good. The daughter (Kiri I think her name was) and the younger son were probably the only other well acted performances in the film and actually felt like characters since there was stuff to them. The human characters also actually seemed to try despite mostly being stock characters. There was also some good action in the film as well. There were also some unintentionally funny moments at times.

Other than that the movie is utterly retarded. It keeps many of the same problems with the first film like the white savior bullshit with Jake Sully who is also a boring protective dad character. He also fucking randomly narrates during scenes to explain stuff you can tell for yourself, like seriously his narration could be removed and those scenes would be improved exponentially. The other characters are stock character types with three exceptions who I mentioned before. Sully's wife is just angry protective mom, his first born son is just Older Responsible Brother (He's also the only character on the protagonists side who dies and has a cliche death scene), and the other kids I forgot to mention are pretty forgettable. There's also a kid who is the Colonel's son who is just bootleg Tarzan and he is one of the worst new characters of the movie with pretty inconsistent motivations. Like for some reason when the Colonel clone comes back to be a father figure to him, they sort of get along but it's a hollow bond. Later for some reason Bootleg Tarzan saves the fucking Colonel from death even though he wants to murder his adopted family who he's spent more than a decade with (since this movie takes place at least a decade after the first one).

The Na'Vi themselves are incredibly uninteresting. They literally are just stock tribespeople and their culture literally is uncreative. Outside of the animals and environment, this supposedly alien species also coincidentally has huts and kayaks just like normal tribespeople. What genius worldbuilding James Cameron. It doesn't help the water Na'Vi bow down to suck Jake Sully's dick because he's so cool. He even became one of them in the end.

The Human villains besides the Colonel are literally retarded fucking Captain Planet Villains. Despite the fact they had survivors from a prior Na'Vi attack, they never fucking adapted at all, never wear any armor and keep the same technology where these primitive weapons can easily pierce and kill people through. The human villains also act cartoonishly evil like this Australian stereotype who loves whaling and wants to kill all the whales for their "Anti-Aging Oil" and its just pathetic. If this human faction are the antagonists, what the fuck are the stakes for any future Avatar movies. Why should I give a shit about this franchise if all the villains are incompetent retards or were already defeated prior. The only new technology that the humans have is Crab Mechs and Echo Location Blasters. There's also the Avatar cloning where they can insert memories and personalities of people into but it's not that interesting.

Everything else about the movie is either mid or semi-competent. Either way if this movie makes a lot of money, it's only because it's the sequel to one of the highest grossing movies which came out 13 years ago. I can guarantee that if it succeeds that Avatar 3 and 4 wouldn't make as much money.


tl;dr Film is like the first one with sprinkles of good things but even worse
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Holy shit they are doing "muh whales!" unironically like God of Soy did? This is even stupider as the humans can just extract some whales and just clone them or breed them.

Last month I read Golden Kamuy and it was an incredible look into hunter gatherer society and how unique it is. Modern Hollywood take on those kind of societies is basically 60 IQ modern African Tribes.
 
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wtfNeedSignUp said:
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Holy shit they are doing "muh whales!" unironically like God of Soy did? This is even stupider as the humans can just extract some whales and just clone them or breed them.
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Yes and they even are on the nose how they want some liquid from the whale only for Not-Tarzan to say "You're not going to use the rest of it" like wow so deep.
 
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With the Navi having a rather smallish population, full scale orbital bombardment is a waste of resources and planetary real estate. Precision orbital strikes on the Navi population clusters and gatherings would be more appropriate.
However with the Navi gone, if the planet hive mind tries to pull that stunt having the nonsentient lifeforms attacking humans. That is when full scale orbital bombardments should be deployed with extreme prejudice. Humanity can't and shouldn't have to dick around with a wannabe death world.*

*The original novel Death World not the Games Workshop knock off Catachan.
 
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Baron_Ashura said:
I still think the planet should have been orbital bombarded, kill that hive mind in its infancy, and get it ready to be strip mined for the good of humanity.
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I’m pretty sure I lost friends back when avatar 1 was out because I unironically rooted for the humans the whole time.

Avatar 2 and nothing has changed, terraform pandora, send the treeniggers to camps and give me my never-ageing serum literally made from the tears of a blue space whale.

God I fucking hate the Na’vi so fucking much, with their thick lips and wide noses breathing up all the humans air. Did you know Na’Vi don’t have a word for future? There thick skulls can’t fathom A world where technology rules because they’re too fucking stupid.
 
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Uranus Pink said:
You mean one that isn't a reskin of historical human (ship wreck) survivors, adventurers and/or settlers traveling through and settling a different land?
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you know, after some thought, i rewrote the idea in my head
and it turned into hell in the pacific or like enemy mine but the alien suffers a huge mental break from having to actually do shit instead of "magic nature hair" and learning to live in the cold uncaring universe

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guys, think of the environment
*wants to waste a lot of energy making VFX for scenes that will never be seen*
 
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Doctor of Autism said:
Yes and they even are on the nose how they want some liquid from the whale only for Not-Tarzan to say "You're not going to use the rest of it" like wow so deep.
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Was it ever correct? Like modern beef industry uses virtually the entire cow, I'd be surprised if there was a single part of the whaling industry that was thrown rather than processed of fed to someone. The only case I know of total wastage was by native Americans.
Uranus Pink said:
With the Navi having a rather smallish population, full scale orbital bombardment is a waste of resources and planetary real estate. Precision orbital strikes on the Navi population clusters and gatherings would be more appropriate.
However with the Navi gone, if the planet hive mind tries to pull that stunt having the nonsentient lifeforms attacking humans. That is when full scale orbital bombardments should be deployed with extreme prejudice. Humanity can't and shouldn't have to dick around with a wannabe death world.*

*The original novel Death World not the Games Workshop knock off Catachan.
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I'd try to kill their mother gaia equivalent. So to have the populace go insane and decimate themselves.
 
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Honestly the simple nature of Avatar 2 would be fine if the movies had two things which were actually good characters and stakes.


Most of the Avatar cast is really flat and outside of like a few small exceptions, its really hard to give a shit about generic stock archetypes.

Same with how the stakes aren't really high in the movie since all the villains outside of the Colonel are dumbasses who let this open na'vi sympathizer on the bridge of their ship without restraints, and despite it being a decade after the previous movie, they never bothered to advance their technology at all despite having countless survivors from the first major battle with the Na'vi.

Why should I give a shit about a hypothetical Avatar 3 when the Humans aren't even that much of a threat. But I bet it's the same movie where White Savior and his family end up going to another tribe and are somehow better tribespeople than the natives who've trained for most of their lives.
 
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So, wait, this film's... uh... "plot", is that there's a magic immortality serum on Pandora now and the evil humans are killing the whales for the serum for the betterment of all mankind, while a primitive culture of natives fight back with the help of human collaborators?

Dammit Cameron, you're supposed to steal from good science fiction, not just remake Star Trek: Insurrection!!!!

And just like that film, it really seems like the tech level of the humans would largely negate the need to take anything from Pandora. Just clone the whales or chemically rebuild the serum in a lab, if you can't be assed to wipe out the locals with a cheap bioweapon. And hording a serum/element that isn't particularly useful to your tribe but would save another advanced species makes your tribe come off as selfish, greedy assholes, not the corporation trying to take the macguffin to save humanity.
 
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If James Cameron had more faith in... y'know, actual storytelling, he would've give more of a shit about character dynamic, writing and better worldbuilding. Instead, he's been hellbent on focusing on making 10-hour tech demos made for the big screen while having his "plot" stealing other stories (Dances With Wolves, Last of the Morticians, Ferngully, the fucking Smurfs, etc.), and all-and-all coming out as nothing more than a whole tray of meatloaf. And now he has to steal from Stargate (both movie and SG-1), Mass Effect 1 & 2 and especially Star Trek Insurrection.

Titanic was a shitty movie for sure and is the reason for the director's downfall, but at least it had actual writing and an actual story to tell. Granted, shitty writing and shitty storytelling, but still, it HAD writing and storytelling. By the time he worked on Avatar, Jimbo's brain ran off.
 
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