James Cameron's Avatar to get four sequels - The message will still be the same

[Doctor of Autism]

It's really not, even if it's the reality of the world outside of the story. How many movies have had this "common trope" from the last two decades aside from the first Avatar? I can name dozens with strong brown wahmin at the forefront, but it's rare to even get a white male protagonist presented in a consistently positive light, let alone treated as a savior. Even The Great Wall, a movie I 100% expected to have the trope, actually subverted my expectations to my surprise, having the white man be a big help but hardly the lone hero that all the Chinese had to cower behind.

It was common fifty fucking years ago, maybe. Yes, Jake is a race traitor bitch, that's why I find it funny how you felt the need to complain about it not once but twice.

The issue in regards to Avatar 2 specifically is that it keeps sticking to these outdated tropes. It's like a pig eating out of a trough of expired meat. Avatar 2 is incredibly outdated especially with its whaling message which was a big issue back around the time of the first movie, but nowadays there are other environmental issues that are of bigger prominence.

The characters never really evolved passed their archetypes whatsoever.

Like it wouldn't surprise me if Avatar 3 has a fucking analogy to the 2010 BP Oil spill

 

[Crescent Fresh]

The budget for Hollywood films can be whatever they pull out of their ass. Sometimes they include marketing costs and sometimes they don't. Unless we have a break down of how much exactly everything cost there is no way of knowing.

If Cameron is saying it needs to make a billion to break even then that would mean the budget is closer to half a billion. So maybe, 350 million in production costs and somewhere around 100 million for marketing and greasing the wheels of the shill media?

I don't think this will hit a billion for a variety of reasons:

Lack of a cultural footprint being the big one.

The "magic" and allure of spectacle 3D films is gone. The first movie had the advantage of saying it was the most epic 3D movie ever made and that attracted people out of curiosity. Nowadays people don't care that much about 3D.

We are in a recession. Even people looking for an escapist thrill is not going to spend $20+ on a 3D movie. That's where the first movie made bank was from the exorbitant costs to see it in 3D.

I also don't think there's much in terms of kid appeal. Kids like superheroes. I don't think kids like giant weird blue aliens.

No, he said two billion. All the top five films are in that range.

There is always the outside sort of chance that he didn’t realize that that was the bar he was setting, yet it’s unlikely.

As for the other points there, I was actually just thinking earlier about the 3D thing.

There’s a very simple reason as to why Avatar made a fuckton of money yet nobody cares about it culturally: It was a great showing of modern 3D, the first to really take advantage of the format. People kept bringing others in to see it because it was an effective novelty.

In this era, however, 3D is just… standard. It’s no longer an insane draw for a movie just to have good 3D, as good 3D is the baseline for big films. Cameron is under the impression that the original made its money off the strength of itself, and not because it was a new experience for people to see at the time.

Also, it’s a sci-fi action that takes itself insanely seriously, which kids don’t want to see. Especially at three hours.

 

[Viscious Seviper]

Regarding the whole "personality cloning" shenanigans, a good writer would explore the existential meaning of such a concept like SOMA did. Of course, it's always possible they do so in the future films, but something tells me the talent isn't there to explore it at all and if they do it would do a shitty job at it.

SOMA wasn't that great but the ending was okay with the twist it had. It was just normalniggers doing normalnigger things like freaking the fuck out over every little thing and gasping for air and gaining a sudden case of "spontaneous mouth breather syndrome" every time a character said something. Even the computer intelligence character suffered from it.

Not even Issac clarke gasped for air as much with low oxygen in space as some of the spazzes in SOMA do on the regular. Like most post 2013 games its uninspired and very barebones with no replay value.

Back on topic, Didn't avatar announce the sequels well over a decade ago? Why are they suddenly coming back now?

 

[TVB]

The issue in regards to Avatar 2 specifically is that it keeps sticking to these outdated tropes. It's like a pig eating out of a trough of expired meat. Avatar 2 is incredibly outdated especially with its whaling message which was a big issue back around the time of the first movie, but nowadays there are other environmental issues that are of bigger prominence.

The characters never really evolved passed their archetypes whatsoever.

Like it wouldn't surprise me if Avatar 3 has a fucking analogy to the 2010 BP Oil spill

Or the 2011 Japanese tsunami/earthquake.

 

[Kiwisee]

Looking at Avatar Fanart has made me realize that the Navi would’ve worked much better in 2D format than live action. Depending on the art style, it would make them look less like they’ve crossed into uncanny valley territory

If he had managed to perfect the combination of Cel and 3D animation, the franchise itself likely would have a much longer shelf life.

 

[mlanguishi]

Looking at Avatar Fanart has made me realize that the Navi would’ve worked much better in 2D format than live action. Depending on the art style, it would make them look less like they’ve crossed into uncanny valley territory

Boy is that true, there are youtube videos people make for free that look more like real-life things than this Avatar stuff. I just don't get the craze on this at all.

ETA, there were simps coping that the screenshots even trailer would be improved in the final. What a joke. I really hate to say it, but it kinda reminds me of the JWST pics so far. I mean they're better, but not amazingly better as I expected. Clearer for sure.. Like going from 1080p to 4k.

 

[TVB]

Boy is that true, there are youtube videos people make for free that look more like real-life things than this Avatar stuff. I just don't get the craze on this at all.

Fan movies made by amateurs know how to do CG, something that boomers that work in the industry don't know how.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Back on topic, Didn't avatar announce the sequels well over a decade ago? Why are they suddenly coming back now?

It's because Avatar 2 and 3 became ready for release since both films were filmed around the same time.

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

In a better world Avatar would have been the story of Colonel Quaritch as the second coming of Andrew Jackson.

 

[TVB]

It's because Avatar 2 and 3 became ready for release since both films were filmed around the same time.

But then what would make of 4-6 since they're still in development?

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

The Weeknd has a song with a music video featuring Avatar.

 

[Kiwisee]

Here’s a breakdown of the anti humanity propaganda in Avatar and why it’s bullshit:

The comments are full of seething from Navi Simps, naturally

 

[Kel1 shi1]

not even China’s meeting expectations for it.

Good luck with that, Covid has been running wild for the last two weeks or so in China. Also that day one screener will make a serious dent, something that wasn't really possible when A1 was released in China. At that time they were mostly on dumb phones and piracy was on burned DVDs now you can just stream to your phone. Not only that but A1 was kept in Chinese theaters all through the Chinese New year and now they clear out all western movies in the theaters for Chinese ones during the big holidays. CNY is at the end of January 2023, the window to make money is tiny.

 

[WhiskeyJack]

I know it exists, I am simply denying that it's anywhere near so common as to deserve that kind of a response, or that it's remotely common nowadays given the obsession with "diversity" and making white men evil and/or bumbling morons. I suppose you could make an argument for a few white and """white""" girl bosses fitting the classic trope, but none come to mind presently. Also doesn't that chick go nuts at the end of the show and start slaughtering a bunch of innocent people?

Well, just looking at Wikipedia, and their list of "White Savior" films and there's definitely a decent number of them still getting made. Mind you, several of these I definitely wouldn't include (Dune specifically is a deconstruction of this sort of trope, and Paul's race isn't really relevant anyway), as Wikipedes are autistic as all hell and seem to want to list every film with a white person standing near brown people as White Savior Tropes. But at least some of these are genuine examples: List of White Savior Trope in Films Seems to be about two films a year on average since the 90's, and the list mostly consists of actual films not random indie films nobody ever heard of.

Mind you, I don't even think the trope is a bad thing. It became popular because it's fairly historically accurate. Blacks didn't free themselves from slavery, after all. Pretty much every marginalized community stayed that way because they become infested with race-baiting grifters who actively work to keep their communities shitholes as long as possible for their own benefit, and the only time it changes for the better is when a bunch of rich white guys show up and start a factory or school, or fight a war on their behalf. That's why the trope became a trope in the first place, and most of the best known WS trope films are historical dramas or at least inspired by historical figures.

As to Daenerys going crazy and killing folks, honestly that's actually sort of part of the trope. Many of the more well known examples in film/novels involve some white guy leading a bunch of natives into guerrilla warfare against his own people, and killing a shitload of people in the process. That's kind of Dune's whole point; these sorts of savior-types often just lead to more war/genocide. Though in GOT's case, it's more due to shitty writing, of course.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

So, wait, this film's... uh... "plot", is that there's a magic immortality serum on Pandora now and the evil humans are killing the whales for the serum for the betterment of all mankind, while a primitive culture of natives fight back with the help of human collaborators?

Dammit Cameron, you're supposed to steal from good science fiction, not just remake Star Trek: Insurrection!!!!

And just like that film, it really seems like the tech level of the humans would largely negate the need to take anything from Pandora. Just clone the whales or chemically rebuild the serum in a lab, if you can't be assed to wipe out the locals with a cheap bioweapon. And hording a serum/element that isn't particularly useful to your tribe but would save another advanced species makes your tribe come off as selfish, greedy assholes, not the corporation trying to take the macguffin to save humanity.

Fuck that

they have digital immortality

Make new Avatar bodies. Be Immortal and live on an O'Neil Cylinder

 

[ZehnBoat]

Fuck that

they have digital immortality

Make new Avatar bodies. Be Immortal and live on an O'Neil Cylinder

flood gaia with na'vi-ized humans for the sake of "diversity"

 

[Uranus Pink]

With the tech humans have, they could make kemonomimi from generic catgirls/boys to Monster Musume with the taurs, lamias, mermaids and half-human, half-animal combinations and @Snekposter could live and die in long tailed lamian heaven. To full blown furries including Na'vi and other "does this count as a furry or not" things.



Edit: There's the option doing basic humans with out genetic ailments like diabetes, blindness, deafness, or necrophilia. Or replacement bodies like for Jake where he can walk again. And there's the enhanced human option like human having the carbon fiber laced bones* like the Na'vi but without being turned into a blue furfag.

 

[Flaming Carrot]

But then what would make of 4-6 since they're still in development?

Cameron said the three Avatar movies form a trilogy, and if they do well enough, he's got ideas for 4 and 5.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

The launch weekend revenue projections have kept freefalling, with everyone in the media desperately hoping that the legs will save it.

They went from “$175-200M domestic, $525-600M worldwide” at the very highest numbers, then suddenly they dropped to “$150-175M domestic, $525M worldwide” when the actual sales started coming in, now it’s down to a low of “$130-150 domestic, $410M worldwide” and we’re not even through Saturday.

Actually getting to the two billion needed to break even, according to Cameron, is getting less and less likely at this point.

I fully expect this film to have the legs to get past $1B, maybe even $1.5, yet with this kind of drop I don’t see it getting anywhere close to breaking even at this rate, not even China’s meeting expectations for it.

Worth noting that next week’s Puss in Boots sequel might actually take a bit more attention away over the holidays than one might expect it to. Probably won’t be #1, yet it’s genuinely getting higher review scores than this is (97% RT, 75 MC, vs. 78% RT, 69 MC for Avatar 2) at effectively half the length, so it might be a more attractive family play than having to block out 3+ hours to see a movie that is only being lauded for its effects and nothing else.

Cameron however has some CGI Digital tech in the movie he owns outright

So.... let's say the movie loses the money he might license it to Disney for 10 years at near cost

It's because Avatar 2 and 3 became ready for release since both films were filmed around the same time.

And Disney knows Cameron is marketable and can fund his own shit

 

[Snekposter]

With the tech humans have, they could make kemonomimi from generic catgirls/boys to Monster Musume with the taurs, lamias, mermaids and half-human, half-animal combinations and @Snekposter could live and die in long tailed lamian heaven. To full blown furries including Na'vi and other "does this count as a furry or not" things.



Edit: There's the option doing basic humans with out genetic ailments like diabetes, blindness, deafness, or necrophilia. Or replacement bodies like for Jake where he can walk again. And there's the enhanced human option like human having the carbon fiber laced bones* like the Na'vi but without being turned into a blue furfag.

Why the fuck did you need to tag me into this thread with a specific mention? Now, I don't mind too much since reading it let me save a friend $20 and three hours of his time, but I'd be one of the first signing up to go hop into an immortal clone ubermensch body to go murder the fuck out of these xenos for the crime of existing in our galaxy.

Now, if they were space elves we'd have to talk about leaving them alive as ahem domestic servants, but for 99% of the alien bastards out there only our cleansing wrath will suffice.