James Cameron's Avatar to get four sequels - The message will still be the same

[BrunoMattei]

Good luck with that, Covid has been running wild for the last two weeks or so in China. Also that day one screener will make a serious dent, something that wasn't really possible when A1 was released in China. At that time they were mostly on dumb phones and piracy was on burned DVDs now you can just stream to your phone. Not only that but A1 was kept in Chinese theaters all through the Chinese New year and now they clear out all western movies in the theaters for Chinese ones during the big holidays. CNY is at the end of January 2023, the window to make money is tiny.

Oh fuck, if they don't have China then the movie is done.

 

[Boopims]

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By god, he’s going insane

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

 

[Dom Cruise]

The movie should have just been twenty minutes of a resurrected non-furry Stephen Lang exterminating the Na'vi while that "White man marches on" song from American History X plays, only with slightly altered lyrics to no longer be about African Americans and person of the Jewish faith but instead about the Na'vi.

"My eyes have seen the glory of the trampling at the valley, we washed ourselves in Na'vi blood and all the Avatars too, yeah, we're taking down the home tree machine BRANCH BY BRANCH BY BRANCH!

The human race marches on!"

 

[feral cat #6385]

I’m pretty sure I lost friends back when avatar 1 was out because I unironically rooted for the humans the whole time.

Avatar 2 and nothing has changed, terraform pandora, send the treeniggers to camps and give me my never-ageing serum literally made from the tears of a blue space whale.

God I fucking hate the Na’vi so fucking much, with their thick lips and wide noses breathing up all the humans air. Did you know Na’Vi don’t have a word for future? There thick skulls can’t fathom A world where technology rules because they’re too fucking stupid.

Even though they are 13% of the population the Na'vi commit 50% of the crimes.

 

[Hepativore]

Four movies full of noble savage clichés? The Na'vi are not even all that fleshed-out as far as mythical hunter-gatherer societies go, as it is amazing that every Na'vi tribe across the entire planet of Pandora thinks alike enough that some teenager cosplaying as one of them can instantly unite every Na'vi on the entire planet.

I would like to see the Na'vi full of conflict and bloody warfare with enemy Na'vi tribes much as most tribal societies were traditionally in a state of near-constant fighting with each other. Na'vi should also have slaves that have been captured from enemy tribes much like most tribal societies. Basically, if Cameron wants a non-stereotypical tribal society, he should look to a source like the Igbo in Things Fall Apart rather than the usual Rousseuan utopia.

Anyway, an interesting subplot would be a group of Na'vi who decide that they admire the technology and tools that the humans have and then they start abandoning traditional Na'vi culture...which brings them into conflict with both humans and other Na'vi.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Four movies full of noble savage clichés? The Na'vi are not even all that fleshed-out as far as mythical hunter-gatherer societies go, as it is amazing that every Na'vi tribe across the entire planet of Pandora thinks alike enough that some teenager cosplaying as one of them can instantly unite every Na'vi on the entire planet.

I would like to see the Na'vi full of conflict and bloody warfare with enemy Na'vi tribes much as most tribal societies were traditionally in a state of near-constant fighting with each other. Na'vi should also have slaves that have been captured from enemy tribes much like most tribal societies. Basically, if Cameron wants a non-stereotypical tribal society, he should look to a source like the Igbo in Things Fall Apart rather than the usual Rousseuan utopia.

Anyway, an interesting subplot would be a group of Na'vi who decide that they admire the technology and tools that the humans have and then they start abandoning traditional Na'vi culture...which brings them into conflict with both humans and other Na'vi.

It’s the white liberal utopian delusion of Native and Indigenous societies. Everybody must think alike in a sub-conscious hivemind. Everyone is peaceful and respectful. Everyone gets along with each other. Everyone respects the planet they live on. Everyone is so wise and serious and speaks in metaphorical language. Everyone loves living in a primitive hunter-gatherer society and despite the males being physically taller and stronger than their female counterparts, there is no conflict between the sexes. Everything was better before evil whitey capitalist came along. Sit down and consume this deep movie, consumer. There’s baby Avatar dolls that gotta be made in Chinese sweatshops.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Lmao kate Winslet playing an obvious negress inspired character

 

[Doctor of Autism]

I can't wait for the next avatar movie where the main character's family goes to another tribe and is better than them. Then there is an epic fight scene where the natives just go around destroying these advanced mechs with spears.

Such a creative movie, it is so innovative because James Cameron used special 3D glasses that make you feel like you're in the movie.

Makes Millions of dollars

This will be Avatar 3 or 4 I guarantee. All the Avatar dickriders either have strong nostalgia for the first movie or delude themselves to think generic white savior and noble savage tropes are revolutionary.

Four movies full of noble savage clichés? The Na'vi are not even all that fleshed-out as far as mythical hunter-gatherer societies go, as it is amazing that every Na'vi tribe across the entire planet of Pandora thinks alike enough that some teenager cosplaying as one of them can instantly unite every Na'vi on the entire planet.

I would like to see the Na'vi full of conflict and bloody warfare with enemy Na'vi tribes much as most tribal societies were traditionally in a state of near-constant fighting with each other. Na'vi should also have slaves that have been captured from enemy tribes much like most tribal societies. Basically, if Cameron wants a non-stereotypical tribal society, he should look to a source like the Igbo in Things Fall Apart rather than the usual Rousseuan utopia.

Anyway, an interesting subplot would be a group of Na'vi who decide that they admire the technology and tools that the humans have and then they start abandoning traditional Na'vi culture...which brings them into conflict with both humans and other Na'vi.

Fuck that actually sounds more interesting. It's a shame that the entire Avatar IP is written by a guy who pretty much self inserts into the boring ass main character. Seriously it's bizarre none of these aliens are curious about human tech beyond acting like middle eastern terrorists when Americans leave their military gear behind or that one guy who got high off an oxygen tank.

 

[Trigger Me Timbers]

I was surprised to learn Sigourney Weavers “kid” (who is a Mary Sue ) is played and i assumed voiced by Sigourney Weaver.

Is it me or is that like incredibly weird? remember watching a movie I was surprised how much I can tell that was supposed to be Sigourney Weaver but assumed they had a teenage actress who they just plastered SW face too.

 

[Halmaz]

Anyway, an interesting subplot would be a group of Na'vi who decide that they admire the technology and tools that the humans have and then they start abandoning traditional Na'vi culture...which brings them into conflict with both humans and other Na'vi.

Exploring this avenue would probably save this "franchise". Avatar 2 would have been a hell of a lot more interesting, if the colonel, exploiting the fact that he is a fucking Na'vi now, convinced another tribe(s) not to accept Jake Sully, because he is a false Na'vi, with a savior complex. He also could have shown them, the intentions of humanity are not completely evil and its actions are driven by the need for survival, which is something the Na'vi should be able to relate to. Moreover, he could have made the Na'vi realize technology and cooperating with humans could be beneficial for them. This would have made Quaritch the true nemesis of Jake. Both fake Na'vis, with opposite viewpoints, but ultimately, both manipulating the Na'vi populace. The ultimate twist would be, the Na'vi realizing they are being played and oust Jake and Quaritch, as they bring nothing, but misery. They would also decide to mend their relations with humanity, allowing it to pursue its goals. The life on Pandora would completely change, as more and more Na'vi abandon their ways, to seek new opportunities, unthinkable for them in the past. Their decision would lead to the planet mirroring Earth, as time goes by. The environment would suffer, but the Na'vi would enjoy the benefits of a more civilized society. The viewers would be allowed to interpret this, however they want.

But, we all know this is never gonna happen, because that would require nuanced writing, which the makers of Avatar are clearly incapable of.

Everybody must think alike in a sub-conscious hivemind.

There is an actual hivemind in Avatar. Another way for the movies to redeem themselves, is exploring the possibility, that this organism may actually be malevolent and the Na'vi would have to break free from its control.

 

[Corbax]

Exploring this avenue would probably save this "franchise". Avatar 2 would have been a hell of a lot more interesting, if the colonel, exploiting the fact that he is a fucking Na'vi now, convinced another tribe(s) not to accept Jake Sully, because he is a false Na'vi, with a savior complex. He also could have shown them, the intentions of humanity are not completely evil and its actions are driven by the need for survival, which is something the Na'vi should be able to relate to. Moreover, he could have made the Na'vi realize technology and cooperating with humans could be beneficial for them. This would have made Quaritch the true nemesis of Jake. Both fake Na'vis, with opposite viewpoints, but ultimately, both manipulating the Na'vi populace. The ultimate twist would be, the Na'vi realizing they are being played and oust Jake and Quaritch, as they bring nothing, but misery. They would also decide to mend their relations with humanity, allowing it to pursue its goals. The life on Pandora would completely change, as more and more Na'vi abandon their ways, to seek new opportunities, unthinkable for them in the past. Their decision would lead to the planet mirroring Earth, as time goes by. The environment would suffer, but the Na'vi would enjoy the benefits of a more civilized society. The viewers would be allowed to interpret this, however they want.

But, we all know this is never gonna happen, because that would require nuanced writing, which the makers of Avatar are clearly incapable of.


There is an actual hivemind in Avatar. Another way for the movies to redeem themselves, is exploring the possibility, that this organism may actually be malevolent and the Na'vi would have to break free from its control.

Nuance would go against Cameron's blatant message. We can't have that!

 

[TVB]

I had some epiphany here. I couldn't find the torrent anywhere, so I had to get my ass out of the house and pay my ticket to see this in theatres. I only watched an hour of this before I walked out. It's the most godawful piece of "cinema" I've ever seen. The absolute Na'vi and Pandora lore (especially here in this movie) is more hilarious than most of modern day comedies. A storyline about the relationship between the fake Na'vi avatars and the real ones made me laugh so hard in the theatre, and I was the only one in it. I walked out an hour in, I got drunk and I went to bed.

Fucking hell James Cameron and his unoriginal storyline. Now that he ripped off Mass Effect, Stargate and even some shitty Star Trek movie Insurrection, that's a new low.

 

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I don't understand having already made +200% of a film ready to be cut down. It's a waste of time and resources, and further enforces Cameron doesn't give a shit about the plot, and just wants to LARP.

Also I hope the word of mouth about it being the same movie with a three hour length time be enough to kill the series for good.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Nuance would go against Cameron's blatant message. We can't have that!

Not to mention Cameron openly says how he wants to make a simple story and the fucking Cameron dickriders act like that's a good thing for the foreign market. Not to mention saying how "Simple doesn't mean bad"

Which I do agree with but Cameron doesn't know what to compensate given most of the characters are not really interesting enough to carry a film and special effects can only get you so far

 

[Fount of BadSpeak]

The issue in regards to Avatar 2 specifically is that it keeps sticking to these outdated tropes. It's like a pig eating out of a trough of expired meat. Avatar 2 is incredibly outdated especially with its whaling message which was a big issue back around the time of the first movie, but nowadays there are other environmental issues that are of bigger prominence.

The characters never really evolved passed their archetypes whatsoever.

Like it wouldn't surprise me if Avatar 3 has a fucking analogy to the 2010 BP Oil spill

That seems like some really... selective outrage considering that one other chap was 100% correct pointing out that pop culture has stagnated the last couple of decades. We have films pretending like misogyny, slavery, and American invasions are contemporary topics as well. I don't know why this film is any more guilty than its peers. It seems like its primary sin is being boring, more than being derivative.

Regardless, I was just poking fun on your clear fixation on the race of the lead.

 

[Kiwisee]

I remember reading an Avatar Conspiracy theory that the Na’Vi aren’t even native to Pandora, and that the entirety of the moon is a Petri dish experiment performed by a much more advanced race of Na’Vi like aliens. And that Pandora for that race is meant to be like space Afghanistan in the sense that it’s the graveyard of other civilizations that have attempted to conquer Pandora; without realizing the moon itself is a super organism.

And that every creature that also shows up on Pandora are leftovers from other races who tried to strip the moon of its resources.

The Na’Vi themselves are part of the hive mind to entrap whichever race tries to strip the planet of its resources. Or they’re just descendants of the hyper advanced versions of themselves that decided to see how long they could fare in the terraformed moon.

Honestly, that kind of revelation would make Avatar more interesting as a franchise.

 

[74164978231]

I don't understand having already made +200% of a film ready to be cut down. It's a waste of time and resources, and further enforces Cameron doesn't give a shit about the plot, and just wants to LARP.

Also I hope the word of mouth about it being the same movie with a three hour length time be enough to kill the series for good.

Typical liberal hypocrisy on display.

I wonder how much energy would be required to render all the VFX for that many hours?

 

[Halmaz]

Honestly, that kind of revelation would make Avatar more interesting as a franchise.

Indeed, but I doubt the Na'vi are allowed to be anything, but saints. I would gladly pull such a twist, because the usual suspects would be outraged and give the franchise endless media attention, reeling in audiences, curious to see what riled up the "critic" and jurno class. Cameron clearly doesn't have the balls to pull this off, he is content with making Captain Planet tier movies. I wonder if he contemplates trooning out, seeing how he thinks testosterone is a toxin and Avatar is all about transforming yourself.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Indeed, but I doubt the Na'vi are allowed to be anything, but saints. I would gladly pull such a twist, because the usual suspects would be outraged and give the franchise endless media attention, reeling in audiences, curious to see what riled up the "critic" and jurno class. Cameron clearly doesn't have the balls to pull this off, he is content with making Captain Planet tier movies. I wonder if he contemplates trooning out, seeing how he thinks testosterone is a toxin and Avatar is all about transforming yourself.

Doubt it cause Cameron is a virtue signaling hypocrite. Since despite making an anti-whaling movie he promotes it at a captive dolphin show, and despite being pro-native American, he makes extremely condescending statements to native Americans.

Cameron is just a holier than thou prick