James Cameron's Avatar to get four sequels - The message will still be the same

[Belvedere]

So, I gotta ask. Does anyone think this movie will have any staying power or is it gonna fade from memory like the 1st? Because I did hear there's an Avatar game in the works, but that's about it.

This movie is going to even less of a afterthought than the first one. Consider how the first movie was a huge box office success and then it simply vanished from the collective consciousness. It barely if ever comes up in conversation, pop culture references, memes, etc.

The original Avatar was a VFXs spectacle and little else, nowadays after years of movie-going audiences having their sense of spectacle being beaten into submission by cape-shit for over a decade, the Avatar sequel looks like yet another one in the pile. Nobody is going to cherish, let alone care this movie exists because nobody outside of Cameron wanted it.

As for the video game, forget it. I can count with the fingers of one hand how many good movie-games exists. It is most likely going to be canceled or is going to be dumped as Android/iOS shovelware.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

This movie is going to even less of a afterthought than the first one. Consider how the first movie was a huge box office success and then it simply vanished from the collective consciousness. It barely if ever comes up in conversation, pop culture references, memes, etc.

The original Avatar was a VFXs spectacle and little else, nowadays after years of movie-going audiences having their sense of spectacle being beaten into submission by cape-shit for over a decade, the Avatar sequel looks like yet another one in the pile. Nobody is going to cherish, let alone care this movie exists because nobody outside of Cameron wanted it.

As for the video game, forget it. I can count with the fingers of one hand how many good movie-games exists. It is most likely going to be canceled or is going to be dumped as Android/iOS shovelware.

Avatar can be easily compared against Dune - both are settings set on a single planet with vague implications on the status quo outside of it, both have the hero mix from his parent culture into the resident culture for a rebellion, both involve the hero transforming (sometimes literally) to fit the planet.
Dune is a masterpiece in how complex it is, the ecosystems it describes, how interesting the twists it does with scifi, the cultural variety both inside and outside the planet, and how it pays respect to the idea of the rebellion being bloodsoaked rather than completely right.
Avatar is a fantasy of a 60 year old misanthrope who cares only how pretty everything is and "got mine fuck you" attitude.

 

[Kiwisee]

Yep like the humans never seemed to learn from the first major loss they had. But to be fair it's the sea niggas this time, and they still suck by not even reinforcing their technology.

Hell the humans are extremely stupid they don't even restrain the most openly pro-smurf human and let him dick around on their boat.

Please tell me it’s because RDA pulled an Afghanistan and dropped all their weapons while retreating

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

So, I gotta ask. Does anyone think this movie will have any staying power or is it gonna fade from memory like the 1st? Because I did hear there's an Avatar game in the works, but that's about it.

they had one for the old movies

Avatar can be easily compared against Dune - both are settings set on a single planet with vague implications on the status quo outside of it, both have the hero mix from his parent culture into the resident culture for a rebellion, both involve the hero transforming (sometimes literally) to fit the planet.
Dune is a masterpiece in how complex it is, the ecosystems it describes, how interesting the twists it does with scifi, the cultural variety both inside and outside the planet, and how it pays respect to the idea of the rebellion being bloodsoaked rather than completely right.
Avatar is a fantasy of a 60 year old misanthrope who cares only how pretty everything is and "got mine fuck you" attitude.

I think your comparison is apt

In Dune the politics outside of Arrakis pushes the plot (as do events on Arrakis).

Their arent any noble sides to speak of. Just everyone jockeying for power

Avatar could have used some of that vibe

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Please tell me it’s because RDA pulled an Afghanistan and dropped all their weapons while retreating

If you mean the pro-smurf human, no they just let him stand around on the important part of their ship and he throws a fire extinguisher to ruin it.

But the Afghanistan thing happens at the beginning of the film.

 

[Wesker]

Glad this faggot is getting it in the ass over this pretentious anti Western wank fest. Hasn't made a movie worth watching in 30 fucking years. Endorsed that piece of shit Terminator movie a few years ago, because there's never enough money in the Cameron fortune apparently to not sell your dignity over.

 

[Muu]

His arrogance makes me want this to flop

 

[Kiwisee]

If you mean the pro-smurf human, no they just let him stand around on the important part of their ship and he throws a fire extinguisher to ruin it.

But the Afghanistan thing happens at the beginning of the film.

God that sounds so stupid lmao

Is the RDA held back by some dumb rules of engagement set by their version of the UN or something? Everything I’m hearing about the battles is starting to sound even more retarded than the first film

 

[Back me up!]

God that sounds so stupid lmao

Is the RDA held back by some dumb rules of engagement set by their version of the UN or something? Everything I’m hearing about the battles is starting to sound even more retarded than the first film

Nope. Everything up to the final battle doesn't make sense. Okay, I get its 9 foot tall cat creature that shoots spears like arrows but re-enforce the god damn pilot canopy. You traveled through space damn it get it together! If nothing else gunships should just be a flying walls of AI controlled Auto turrets ready to go. The final battle kind of makes sense through since

Spoiler

The main ship they are are was meant to hunt smart whales and not actually do that much fighting. And then said smart whale actually attack them which was something none of them had ever done before.

Funny enough the final battle does have a spark of the old JC cause at one point the main female N'avi is merc'k a bunch of humans and its actually suspenseful to see this creature move and kill up close while actually seeing how tiny humans are compared to the N'avi.

The real worse sin of this movie is that everything EXCEPT the N'avi crap is insanely fun and cool. The human tech visually great, fun to think about, and is like an updated and well put together GI Joe series that should be flying off the shelves as a toy line in any other movie. Like if a inverse Avatar movies was made instead about a bunch of plucky high tech humans landing on a amazing but hostile planet trying to find a place to live while dealing with the hostile wildlife (and a 9 foot tale cat aliens stalking them). Even keep the Jake plot but this time its a fight to keep from going feral and killing every one.

 

[Kiwisee]

I’m surprised James Cameron didn’t retcon the Navi reproduction and say they’re like sea horses, in which the males carry out pregnancy.

Edit: I just rewatched the first movie and noticed that there’s way more diversity in the RDA than with the Navi.

The Navi are basically a blue ethno state when you think about it.

What are you telling us Jimbo; is diversity a recipe for failure?

 

[Crex Crex]

What the hell happened to James Cameron?

Veganism.
And also losing touch with reality due to being submerged up to the chin in money while living in the Pedowood hugbox.

 

[WhiskeyJack]

So here's a few questions that've been bothering me:

If the RDA can just back up and resurrect Quaritch (or whatever Lang's character was named) literally from the dead as a Na'vi avatar, why the hell is Sully even in these films? Surely they'd have backed up his dead brother and everyone else who was actually a part of the Avatar program, if they could and did back up some random colonel's dead brain. That has to be cheaper than literally flying a cripple and his wheelchair four-light-years through space, and a hell of a lot faster too. Hell, why even bother sending the actual humans if you can just upload them permanently into new bodies; copy their minds, send them digitally through space on a communication laser to be input into their bodies on Pandora and skip the costs and time of shipping their physical body at all.

And on the subject of time; since it takes at least four solid years to even get to Pandora at nearly light-speed, that means Sully's brother died, Earth finds out about it four years later when the comms arrive, and Sully gets sent on the ship to arrive at Pandora another four years later. So what did they do with his brother's avatar body for the decade it was dormant? Was it just floating in a tank the whole time? Were humans really on Pandora in avatars talking with the Na'vi for most of a decade? The timing of the first film has bothered me since the first time I saw it. It all feels like they just arrived, just started communicating with the director's barely concealed cat-girl fetish people, and nothing feels like they've been doing this for years with no progress. Half the Na'vi kids they were teaching should've already grown into adults helping to integrate the humans with their tribespeople by that point.

Maybe all this is explained in the films, I don't really remember them well enough and don't care enough to waste my life actually re-watching the first or ever seeing the second. But I don't think the film ever went into the world-building enough to explain anything like how the Avatar program actually worked.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Winslet tells EW that director James Cameron had already made the call that Ronal would be pregnant. "I just thought, 'My god, that is just so cool,'" she says. "Jim has so much admiration for women and pregnant women and what pregnant women are capable of, and how pregnant women are actually much more resilient and physically capable than I think often people give us credit for or would expect."

"The things we can achieve, I mean, my God, I don't know a single pregnant woman who found out she was pregnant, sat down, and did nothing," the actress adds. "You just become kind of bionic; you feel like you are absolutely superhuman. And so for Jim to really harness that quality and ability and put it into its Na'vi form, it was just amazing. I loved that so much."

 

[Quijibo69]

See this with normies on Chrismas, if it's bad enough that means I get a 3 hour nap. I may get lost and see the other cat movie.

 

[WhiskeyJack]

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"The things we can achieve, I mean, my God, I don't know a single pregnant woman who found out she was pregnant, sat down, and did nothing," the actress adds. "You just become kind of bionic; you feel like you are absolutely superhuman. And so for Jim to really harness that quality and ability and put it into its Na'vi form, it was just amazing. I loved that so much."

So does this mean we can stop giving preggos paid leave from work?

 

[The Penultimate Warrior]

Seems like all the positive audience reviews I've seen only focus on how it looks. So it's going to be one of those films whose reputation tanks after the honeymoon period wears off and people try to watch it on a small screen. Although for the sake of balance I have also seen people say it promotes the family and a strong father figure, so credit for that at least if it is accurate.

 

[ZehnBoat]

Edit: I just rewatched the first movie and noticed that there’s way more diversity in the RDA than with the Navi.

The Navi are basically a blue ethno state when you think about it.

What are you telling us Jimbo; is diversity a recipe for failure?

i notice in movies, places that are "oh so awesome" tend to be undiverse as fuck
almost as if these people don't actually believe in diversity

 

[AGreatDipAtAFairPrice]

So, I gotta ask. Does anyone think this movie will have any staying power or is it gonna fade from memory like the 1st? Because I did hear there's an Avatar game in the works, but that's about it.

Its a big techno amusement park theme ride that's totally pointless apart from the prop goggles and 3D razzmatazz and experience of going to the theater to talk about it with the rest of the block, pure blockbuster. How often do you think about a rollercoaster you rode 15 or 20 years ago or a carnival or county or state fair or water park or something? That's what a movie like Avatar is to over 99.9+ percent of people who see it. Every couple thousand people might produce some Avatar nutcase and that is about it. Despite all pompous ecology and climate change and animal experimentation "deeper message" claims to the contrary made primarily by James Cameron, this is just a pure popcorn movie.

 

[Happy Fish]

i notice in movies, places that are "oh so awesome" tend to be undiverse as fuck
almost as if these people don't actually believe in diversity

The thing with forced diversity is it is fucking boring. Nobody wants a buch of cultures mish mashed together united by current-year moralism. People want to see and experience culture, which is a product of a greater population and larger world. Think like the first Star Wars. Nobody bitches about Mos Eisley's Cantina being forced diversity because it is diverse due to the outlaw space port nature of the town that makes it both natural and obvious, where everyone accepts that many of those species have their own home worlds and cultures. There isn't a race in the cantina that you point at and are like "That guy is a space Indian!" The only nod at real world racial politics in that whole scene was a joke about the barkeep being racist toward *droids* which in itself is thinking forward and fantastical rather than cheapening everything by trying to make it political commentary.

 

[Calandrino]

This is all 4d chess on James Cameron's part. He's merely setting the stage. The upcoming sequel where the blue elves get gassed in concentration camps will crack $3 billion.