US JD Vance attacks Europe over free speech and migration - Euroids are coping and seething

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US Vice-President JD Vance has launched a scalding attack on European democracies, saying the greatest threat facing the continent was not from Russia and China, but "from within".

It had been expected that Vance would use his speech at the Munich Security Conference to address possible talks to end the war in Ukraine.

Instead, he spent the majority accusing European governments - including the UK's - of retreating from their values, and ignoring voter concerns on migration and free speech.

The address was met by silence in the hall, and later denounced by several politicians at the conference. German Defence Minister Boris Pistorius said it was "not acceptable".

Vance repeated the Trump administration's line that Europe must "step up in a big way to provide for its own defence".

The Ukraine war was mentioned, with Vance saying he hoped a "reasonable settlement" could be reached, after US President Donald Trump's surprise announcement earlier this week that he and Russia's Vladimir Putin had agreed to begin peace talks.

But Vance's address otherwise focused on culture-war issues and key themes of Trump's campaign for the US presidency - a departure from the usual security and defence discussions at the annual conference.

He alleged European Union "commissars" were suppressing free speech, blamed the continent for mass migration, and accused its leaders of retreating from "some of its most fundamental values".

The EU's foreign policy chief, Kaja Kallas, characterised Vance as "trying to pick a fight" with Europe, home to some of the US's closest allies.
Michael McFaul, the former US ambassador to Russia, told Politico Vance's remarks were "insulting" and "just empirically not true".
Vance used his 20-minute speech to single out several European nations, including the UK.

He raised a legal case in which an army veteran who silently prayed outside an abortion clinic was convicted of breaching an 150-metre safe zone around the centre.

The safe zone, introduced in October 2022, bans activity in favour or against abortion services, including protests, harassment and vigils.

But Vance argued that the "basic liberties of religious Britons, in particular" were under threat.

Vance went on to criticise the use of laws enforcing buffer zones, saying that free speech was in retreat and alleging that the Scottish government had warned people against private prayer within their own homes.

In response, the Scottish government said Vance's claim was "incorrect" and the law was "carefully drafted to capture only intentional or reckless behaviour close to a small number of premises providing abortion services".

Nine days before a tense national election in Germany, he touched on a heated debate in the country around mainstream political parties maintaining a so-called "firewall" of non-cooperation with the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party.

In the decades since democracy was restored in Germany after the defeat of the Nazis, there has been a consensus among its main political parties not to work with far-right parties.

"Democracy rests on the sacred principle that the voice of the people matters," Vance said. "There's no room for firewalls. You either uphold the principle or you don't."

The AfD's candidate for chancellor, Alice Weidel, later shared parts of his speech on X, praising it as "excellent". The two reportedly met afterwards, according to German public broadcaster ZDF.

In his own speech, Pistorius directly addressed Vance, saying: "Democracy was called into question by the US vice-president for the whole of Europe.

"He speaks of the annihilation of democracy," Pistorius continued. "And if I have understood him correctly, he is comparing conditions in parts of Europe with those in authoritarian regimes... that is not acceptable."

Vance also made reference to the presidential election in Romania, which was annulled in December after declassified documents suggested it had been targeted by Russian state interference.

Vance told the conference: "If your democracy can be destroyed with a few $100,000 of digital advertising from a foreign country, then it wasn't very strong to begin with."

Romanian Prime Minister Marcel Ciolacu said his country remains "a defender of the democratic values that Europe shares with the USA".

"All RO [Romanian] authorities are committed to organising free and fair elections by empowering citizens and guaranteeing the freedom to vote," he wrote on X.

Vance later met with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on the sidelines of the conference, which has otherwise mainly focussed on Russia's full-scale invasion.

Zelensky said during the meeting that more work was needed on planning to end the fighting, while Vance said the pair shared a "fruitful" conversation.

Trump had said US, Russian and Ukrainian officials would meet in Munich, but Moscow has said it is not sending a delegation to the summit.
 
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They inhale their own fumes to the point where they almost make you want to see how well they'd handle the Ukraine-Russia war without the US' intervention or at least see them having to tell the people they hate so fucking much "Go die for us, retard cattle".
The conspiracy part of my brain tells me that Hillary started the "Russian collusion" talking point to seed the idea of "Russia bad" to the American public, so when Putin eventually invaded Ukraine, the people would be behind our participation in the war.

Not that Russia should be entitled to invade anyone, just that it's interesting how the US snapped to attention to support Ukraine, and dollars to donuts, most people really couldn't fathom why that was so bad, but they were certain that it absolutely was.
 
Will they keep crying and whining when we shutter the American bases defending their countries and declare the US Navy won't defend European shipping anymore? We can save a whole lot of money that way, and then Europe can take charge of its own destiny by organizing its own national and maritime defenses. Seems like a win-win. Not sure they'll be able to provide socialized services to all the rapefugees when they have to start defending their own interests, but I'm sure their superior European intelligence and values will lead them to a great solution!
 
It's this kind of lunacy that I find fascinating. The US is already negotiating with both Russia and Ukraine, unless I'm mistaken, nobody in the EU seems to give a single fuck beyond virtue signaling and is not like the US was going to ask them anyway.
I'm not sure anyone really stopped trying for negotiations, Russia had just typically been against the idea as they wanted to treat Ukraine as unnecessary for such talks. It's why some people were seriously concerned that the peace talks Trump has been talking about may 'not' involve one of the countries actually involved in the war, since that's honestly what Russia had been arguing for.
 
The vitriol Euros express to Vance without having any material recourse to punish him for criticizing their masters in Brussels may as well echo the many theological dissidents criticizing the Papacy during the Protestant Reformation, just ever so out of reach from an authoratative body who would drag them to kangaroo court and publicly hang them if they had the chance. Suffice to say, the European mentality hasn't changed in over 500 years.
 
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Not that Russia should be entitled to invade anyone, just that it's interesting how the US snapped to attention to support Ukraine, and dollars to donuts, most people really couldn't fathom why that was so bad, but they were certain that it absolutely was.
It is bad for Americans as European wars have a nasty habit of spilling over on to America's side of the Atlantic and getting United States involved.
Will they keep crying and whining when we shutter the American bases defending their countries and declare the US Navy won't defend European shipping anymore?
Unless the United States cuts off all American maritime trade into and out Europe, the U.S. Navy is going have to defend European shipping by proxy. Especially as most of the Euro ships like with American ships are flagged under some third world shit hole and staff with third worlders.
 
Not that Russia should be entitled to invade anyone, just that it's interesting how the US snapped to attention to support Ukraine, and dollars to donuts, most people really couldn't fathom why that was so bad, but they were certain that it absolutely was.

Here's the problem: the US didn't snap to attention to support Ukraine. It allowed the invasion to happen through inaction.

The entire war could have been prevented if, when Russian troops began massing near Ukraine's Eastern border, NATO (not the US, but at the US' direction) had called Zelenskyy and said, "so, about those military joint training exercises we've been putting off - how does this afternoon sound?"

NATO troops would have moved into Ukraine and Russia would have been completely stymied. Putin would jump up and down and rattle sabres until he went completely apoplectic, but there would have been nothing he could do about it (and, having been stationed in East Germany and witnessed this sort of thing before, probably would have ended up with a severe case of itchy asshole). This would buy time for Ukraine to formally join NATO and put an end to Putin's desire to have them return to SSR status.

The EU (meaning the political body, not the continent of Europe) was also aware of the emerging threat, but did bugger-fuck-all about it because Ukraine wasn't an EU member state. More inaction, three years of war and counting.

People forget what the EU has turned Europe into throughout its 33 years of its existence. The more I see what's happening with it the more relieved I am to have left it.
 
Posting this thread a day late because the salt in response to this is unbelievable.
‘Europeans are tired of …’
I’ll tell you what Europeans are tired of. Seeing our beautiful safe homogenous countries destroyed by a global elite, using the hordes of the uncivilised world as a bio weapon against us. People are starting to look at what trump is doing and say, ‘why can’t we do that here?’
 
Fat cuck scores points with 88IQ retards online by telling off the "leaders" of a bunch of satellite states. Wow, so heckin' basedaroo! Wait, everyone western state is still chock full of shitskins? Yeah but vance just hecking owned da YUROPOORS, were so frickin back!
whats got you rustled, friend?
 
Instead, he spent the majority accusing European governments - including the UK's - of retreating from their values, and ignoring voter concerns on migration and free speech.
Not to be a pessimist, but does the average "indigenous" Euro care much about these things at this point? Seems to me they keep voting the same people into power election cycle after election cycle, treat Hungary like the country is running concentration camps, are just about to ban the AFD, a party run by a carpetmuncher with her SriLankan partner, etc. Even Polakkia recently fagged out.

Kind of seems like they're getting what they're voting for.

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A month ago, I would have said "JD can go fuck himself, keep your yank politics out of Europe", just like when Elon was spouting off.

But now, seeing Trump deport illegals and uncover billions in spending going to MSM and SM companies to spread lies and propaganda, I say "You go, JD". The elite in Europe are causing the European citizens all of our problems.
In kind of a surreal way, NONE of this would have happened if Trump had won in 2020. He had enough neocons, country clubbers and establishment types in the administration to undo or talk him out of the kind of stuff he's doing now. They all turned on him after the loss in 2020, figuring he was done. They burned their bridges to him, not the other way around. In one way, Trump is kind of naive with who he trusts, but after they all outed themselves this way, he turned to people who's support never wavered. Hence, crazy shit like USAid, Elon Musk, DOGE, etc. And a sense that he's still just getting warmed up.
 
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Fat cuck scores points with 88IQ retards online by telling off the "leaders" of a bunch of satellite states. Wow, so heckin' basedaroo! Wait, everyone western state is still chock full of shitskins? Yeah but vance just hecking owned da YUROPOORS, were so frickin back!
Thank you for the input, two year old account that was completely dormant until this morning and is now pol-tier doomposting. I trust your every opinion to be genuine.
 
The EU (meaning the political body, not the continent of Europe)
europeans get real anal about EU vs europe but i can’t really tell much of a difference

as pointed out by JD Vance europe seems rife with corruption, authoritarianism, and censorship whether you’re in the “civilized” parts or not
 
Fat cuck scores points with 88IQ retards online by telling off the "leaders" of a bunch of satellite states. Wow, so heckin' basedaroo! Wait, everyone western state is still chock full of shitskins? Yeah but vance just hecking owned da YUROPOORS, were so frickin back!
You talk like a faggot and your shit's all retarded. Also, your username is an insult to ATHF. Begone!
 
Fund your own armies, defend your own borders, stop holding your citizens hostage as perpetual vassals of the American fiefdom. Europoors criticize us for having shit healthcare and education; how are we supposed to build that welfare state of our own if 13% of our budget gets siphoned away to protect every european microstate under the sun?
To be fair US spends a ridiculous amount on the military that it could cut back 10% and still have the highest military spending in the world.

Besides healthcare and education are different beasts
 
EU = the governing body of the European Union

Europe = the continent and countries within

'EU' usually gets abused to mean the geographical area of its member states.
i just said there’s basically no discernible difference as someone not living there

are you german or something? jesus
 
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