John Wick 4 and 5 - "Keanu's Gun-fu Show" meets "Fast and Furious"

VargReallyDidNothingWrong said:
John Wick cleans up the streets of Paris
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I've watched every JW movie in the theater so far and honestly I never thought I'd be looking at my watch during an John Wick movie but JW3 made me do it. Some of the setpieces are just way too long and need to be cut down a bit so they're snappier and more memorable. I specifically remember the scene in some desert shithole village where him and some broad are just murderizing waves of goons to be way too long.
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The same happens close to the end. I'm not saying it shouldn't have action, but the action went on for way too long, to the point that it was boring.
 
Massa's Little Buckie said:
The same happens close to the end. I'm not saying it shouldn't have action, but the action went on for way too long, to the point that it was boring.
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JW3 specifically also felt overly long. Google tells me it was 2 hours 10 minutes, which feels about right, but man, you CANNOT have a 130 minute long ACTION movie that's nothing but action because it's just tiresome at some point.

I always remember my dad falling asleep in the theater while we were watching the Jet Li movie "Hero", that was also a fairly long "feeling" action movie, but it's actually less than 100 minutes in length.
 
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I'm just interested in seeing, besides Yen, Hiroyuki Sanada, Scott Adkins, the Chilean martial artist film star Marko Zaror who has made various appearances in Direct to Video action films (including a vicious final fight with Adkins in the DTV actioner Savage Dog) and starred in Chilean films like Redeemer, Mirageman (one take on "realistic" costumed vigilantism) and Mandrill
The man has been a screen-fighting beast for years.


I'm somewhat more interested in his upcoming starring role in "Fist of the Condor", from the director of the Zaror-starring Redeemer and Kiltro, where he'll share screen fight time with the amazing Puerto Rican martial artist Jose Manuel (star of the 2011 action film El Testigo)

 
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Sex Cannon Lupa said:
That's also how I felt about Nobody. Tiny Bob Odenkirk tanked everything they threw at him while cutting through literal armies like it was nothing. People still make fun of Seagal for this shit but give everything in the gay-ass Wickverse a pass because "muh Keanu."

Seriously, fuck The Raid.
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The Raid actually has characters come close to death several times. Unlike Seagal movies or the Wickverse movies, it knows how to maintain tension during fight scenes or at least the first one does. The second one did admittedly skirt into wacky action-hero-fu territory more than once. Also the reason why Seagal movies get shit on so much is because the choreography is total crap. It wasn't completely horrible at the start but watching newer-ish Seagal movies where he's a fat slob who can barely move KOing ninjas is just sad.
VargReallyDidNothingWrong said:
John Wick cleans up the streets of Paris
:cunningpepe:
I've watched every JW movie in the theater so far and honestly I never thought I'd be looking at my watch during an John Wick movie but JW3 made me do it. Some of the setpieces are just way too long and need to be cut down a bit so they're snappier and more memorable. I specifically remember the scene in some desert shithole village where him and some broad are just murderizing waves of goons to be way too long.
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John Wick 3 was basically retreading the same ground as John Wick 2 and the ending is completely fucking retarded. And yeah that fight scene with Keanu and Halle Berry was a snoozefest and her character was pointless. Then again so was the movie.
 
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JW3 was completely unnecessary and not even that entertaining, as others have said. I can't imagine 4 will be any better but it's the only modern film franchise that isn't full of "The Message" and I've always enjoyed Keanu so I'll probably still see it anyway.
 
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ArthuriusMartyrius said:
The Raid actually has characters come close to death several times. Unlike Seagal movies or the Wickverse movies, it knows how to maintain tension during fight scenes or at least the first one does. The second one did admittedly skirt into wacky action-hero-fu territory more than once. Also the reason why Seagal movies get shit on so much is because the choreography is total crap. It wasn't completely horrible at the start but watching newer-ish Seagal movies where he's a fat slob who can barely move KOing ninjas is just sad.
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You can also tell that the Jazzman's obviously using a stunt double on his VOD releases as well. It's so clear and the films he's in are all the same, and his gelatinous ass somehow gets a sexy girl in bed.
 
ArthuriusMartyrius said:
The Raid actually has characters come close to death several times. Unlike Seagal movies or the Wickverse movies, it knows how to maintain tension during fight scenes or at least the first one does. The second one did admittedly skirt into wacky action-hero-fu territory more than once. Also the reason why Seagal movies get shit on so much is because the choreography is total crap. It wasn't completely horrible at the start but watching newer-ish Seagal movies where he's a fat slob who can barely move KOing ninjas is just sad.

John Wick 3 was basically retreading the same ground as John Wick 2 and the ending is completely fucking retarded. And yeah that fight scene with Keanu and Halle Berry was a snoozefest and her character was pointless. Then again so was the movie.
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Odenkirk doesn't look like he's in the right shape either granted not to the extent of Segal but still weren't people talking about how that may have caused his health scare because Odenkirk is near 60 and was pushing himself too much.
 
Sex Cannon Lupa said:
That's also how I felt about Nobody. Tiny Bob Odenkirk tanked everything they threw at him while cutting through literal armies like it was nothing. People still make fun of Seagal for this shit but give everything in the gay-ass Wickverse a pass because "muh Keanu."

Seriously, fuck The Raid.
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I never made fun of Seagal - matter of fact, I grew up watching his movies and honestly, the JW movies don't come close to the style and panache the early '90s Seagal movies have.


This scene alone is fucking hilarious and Keanu just can't pull off this style of brashness, only Seagal does it really well. And there's no "spiritual successor" to him. Or JCVD, for that matter.


Then again, JCVD is a Belgian treasure, love the guy to death even if he can barely act and Keanu is fairly close to his wooden style of acting. But alas, Keanu is no JCVD.

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At Nearly Three Hours, John Wick: Chapter 4 Is the Longest in the Series to Date - IGN

According to Collider, the newest installment to the gun-fu Keanu Reeves action franchise will be the longest film in the series, clocking in at a total runtime of 2 hours and 49 minutes with credits.
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Nearly three hours of what?! It's gonna be a chore to watch...
 
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www.ign.com

At Nearly Three Hours, John Wick: Chapter 4 Is the Longest in the Series to Date - IGN

According to Collider, the newest installment to the gun-fu Keanu Reeves action franchise will be the longest film in the series, clocking in at a total runtime of 2 hours and 49 minutes with credits.
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Nearly three hours of what?! It's gonna be a chore to watch...
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:story: it's like they're reading the complaints I have in this thread and specifically making it worse

Yeah I have no idea what they're thinking. 3 hours of John Wick shooting dudes and kicking dudes? Tarantino had the foresight to split Kill Bill into 2 movies and those weren't even as action heavy as John Wick.

This is going to be a total snoozefest.
 
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Is there anywhere this series can even go, narrative-wise? Other than devolving into parodic batshit, that is. Sounds like by the end of 4 there would be no one left to kill anymore.
 
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Wick already lost a finger (or even multiple fingers? I don't remember very well), was shot at least a dozen times, slashed multiple times, got kicked and punched in the head more than an MMA fighter during their entire career, fell down from the 5th floor, all of that in a span of a few days, and the motherfucker is still alive and healthy.

I can't take this shit seriously.
 
And it just occured to me Scott Adkins is in this in a prosthetic fat suit, an interesting choice. Most of his roles in big theatrical releases have been playing "Generic Henchman #1" and what have you (which as a fan of some of the Direct to Video films he's starred in is a bit of a shame) so it's funny to think of him being being introduced to members of audiences this way.
 
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