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Dain Bramage said:
Simple.....

1. He's got no hair, on purpose.
2. Shitty body tattoos. Not ADF level, but close.
3. The Bundy Militia types have already got a track record for being racists (as shown by the Cliven Bundy video I linked earlier).
4. Ever see many minorities in these militias? They're more white than a Menthos commercial. Total Aryan sausage party.
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Merely having a shaved head and shitty tattoos does not magically turn you into a skinhead. If this was the case there would be millions of skinheads in America instead of the low thousands like there are in actuality.

And this is also accusing him of being a racist by association. Cliven Bundy is a racist shithead but that doesn't mean that everyone associated with him or believed in his cause are racists as well.

I have some friends and acquaintances who hold racist beliefs. You do too, even if they don't vocalize them. That doesn't make me a racist, since I don't share those views and don't approve of them. Neither are you, I presume.

As far as militias having a mostly white make-up meaning they are racist, does that go for mostly black groups too? Mostly asian groups?

That guy is a lolcow, there's no need for a racist witch hunt and baseless accusations unless he actually says racist shit (at this point fuck him)
 
Dain Bramage said:
Simple.....


3. The Bundy Militia types have already got a track record for being racists (as shown by the Cliven Bundy video I linked earlier).
4. Ever see many minorities in these militias? They're more white than a Menthos commercial. Total Aryan sausage party.
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But Cliven backed a Blackman for congress, sure it was done mainly has I'm nit racist no sir but here you have it

 
DrChristianTroy said:
So what's the point of the pocket constitution?
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They actually used to hand them out at boy scouts gatherings... I also heard a ton of racist and homophobic shit from the other kids all the time.
DrChristianTroy said:
Indeed Dr. Christian Troy is white as well. Also crazy like these hillbillies. Point?
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Dude stop culturally appropriating our whiteness! Our people have suffered at the diabolical hands of the sun for all of history!

waffle said:
The constitutionilist/militia guy/whatever you want to call it movement has been working for years to distance them selves from racism and prove their not Nazis. So, of course, right after the movement's biggest victory (not getting killed by the feds at Bundy ranch)
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Ok they want to use public lands? Lets see how many of them would feel that way if all the various katrina refugees from across the country settled where he likes to let his cattle graze...cause it's for the people you know? Maybe I can build a business there, or start digging big holes to find ore. Racism aside these people are fucking entitled little shits if everyone got the kind of treatment these guys want that land would be completely unsuitable for their uses.

I have met people in the michigan militia and some of them are not racist but it's pretty much the norm that they're straight racist or else they're the kind of people who like any black person who looks acts and dresses like mr.rodgers. At least one of them said it was retarded but he likes playing army with little actual commitment.
 
Could also just be this Southern racist thing I have seen where some people hate [race] as a whole but have no actual problems with individuals from said race they interact with and they do not see them as fulfilling racial stereotypes they have in their head.
 
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Ass Manager 3000 said:
So it's Ritzheimer's version of the sonichu medallion?

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I wonder if he thinks it has magical powers too
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Incredible.

Go figure right after seeing this, the first article on the militia I click on features a Constitutionchu appearance.

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Abby said:
Incredible.

Go figure right after seeing this, the first article on the militia I click on features a Constitutionchu appearance.

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I've always questioned people that treat the Constitution like it's some religious document. Sure it's important and it's where our rights come from but when you get down to it you don't hear people from other countries doing the same to their respective documents.

Besides, more than two hundred years later we still can't decide on what exactly some of the amendments actually mean.
 
Phil Ken Sebben said:
I've always questioned people that treat the Constitution like it's some religious document. Sure it's important and it's where our rights come from but when you get down to it you don't hear people from other countries doing the same to their respective documents.

Besides, more than two hundred years later we still can't decide on what exactly some of the amendments actually mean.
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The thing is, for the Founding Fathers all the way back to the original settlers the whole American project was a religious endeavor. Both the Constitution and Bill of Right were believed to be not only political documents but also a Divine Covenant of sort. If you look in their writings, they saw themselves as the Hebrews who crossed the Sea to the Promised Land, they were going to set up a new Kingdom that would be following their own religious and ethical views closer than England which was steeped in terrible behavior and obviously not dictated by religious concerns and driven by piety.

This was one of the driving force behind the whole idea of American Exceptionalism. Between the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, Republicanism as a government system, Religious liberty like the world had never seen, you can even say liberty itself the world had never seen at that point and everything that came afterwards, it's not so hard to understand why for a large section of the religious and conservative movements, the Constitution is seen as a quasi- or downright Divinely-inspired document. For all the faults you can blame on America, it has produced something unique and a force for good that the world had never seen before and its also not hard to understand why people who espouse those beliefs also believe that the further we stray from the Constitution and original principles of America, the worse the country gets and why they are fighting to correct what they see as Unconstitutional.



In the case of Mormons (who are at the center of this), it is a codified part of their religious beliefs that the Constitution is in fact a Divine Covenant
 
Internet War Criminal said:
The thing is, for the Founding Fathers all the way back to the original settlers the whole American project was a religious endeavor. Both the Constitution and Bill of Right were believed to be not only political documents but also a Divine Covenant of sort. If you look in their writings, they saw themselves as the Hebrews who crossed the Sea to the Promised Land, they were going to set up a new Kingdom that would be following their own religious and ethical views closer than England which was steeped in terrible behavior and obviously not dictated by religious concerns and driven by piety.

This was one of the driving force behind the whole idea of American Exceptionalism. Between the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, Republicanism as a government system, Religious liberty like the world had never seen, you can even say liberty itself the world had never seen at that point and everything that came afterwards, it's not so hard to understand why for a large section of the religious and conservative movements, the Constitution is seen as a quasi- or downright Divinely-inspired document. For all the faults you can blame on America, it has produced something unique and a force for good that the world had never seen before and its also not hard to understand why people who espouse those beliefs also believe that the further we stray from the Constitution and original principles of America, the worse the country gets and why they are fighting to correct what they see as Unconstitutional.



In the case of Mormons (who are at the center of this), it is a codified part of their religious beliefs that the Constitution is in fact a Divine Covenant
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So Constitution-thumping as a replacement or companion-piece of bible-thumping. The world ain't short on morons and fanatics and now there are more. Yuck.
 
Internet War Criminal said:
The thing is, for the Founding Fathers all the way back to the original settlers the whole American project was a religious endeavor. Both the Constitution and Bill of Right were believed to be not only political documents but also a Divine Covenant of sort. If you look in their writings, they saw themselves as the Hebrews who crossed the Sea to the Promised Land, they were going to set up a new Kingdom that would be following their own religious and ethical views closer than England which was steeped in terrible behavior and obviously not dictated by religious concerns and driven by piety.

This was one of the driving force behind the whole idea of American Exceptionalism. Between the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, Republicanism as a government system, Religious liberty like the world had never seen, you can even say liberty itself the world had never seen at that point and everything that came afterwards, it's not so hard to understand why for a large section of the religious and conservative movements, the Constitution is seen as a quasi- or downright Divinely-inspired document. For all the faults you can blame on America, it has produced something unique and a force for good that the world had never seen before and its also not hard to understand why people who espouse those beliefs also believe that the further we stray from the Constitution and original principles of America, the worse the country gets and why they are fighting to correct what they see as Unconstitutional.



In the case of Mormons (who are at the center of this), it is a codified part of their religious beliefs that the Constitution is in fact a Divine Covenant
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I'm totally into this conversation and have very strong opinions on the topic, but we would need to take this elsewhere.
 
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Morbid Boredom said:
I'm totally into this conversation and have very strong opinions on the topic, but we would need to take this elsewhere.
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Yeah sorry about that. I realize that this is about to become a derail. Once I get access to that off-topic forum I'll pick up wherever that discussion is happening in there. I'm gonna concentrate on the lolcow for now and leave politics aside from now on.


Plok said:
It's not just a Southern thing, people are like that everywhere.
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I've lived all over the country and I find this to be way more common in the South than up North. You have the conserve there though, where people are appalled simply appalled at the idea that you could be racist, everyone is awesome and equally good and all that... but then they end up living in neighborhood with people with strikingly similar features, and same thing with their friends, and their significant others and the children at their children's schools and make racist jokes behind closed doors where no one can hear them, but it's all in good fun because hey you can't be racist you eat at ethiopian restaurants three times a month and totally love Kendrick Lamar's new album!

There's all kinds of racism in the world going on, but as long as people don't act on it I don't care personally. That's why I originally objected with this guy being called a racist without him actually not saying something publicly or doing something that indicates that he is.

systemlord_baal said:
So Constitution-thumping as a replacement or companion-piece of bible-thumping. The world ain't short on morons and fanatics and now there are more. Yuck.
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It's a question of perspective. I'd rather have what we have in America than what's happening in so-called enlightened Europe any day.

People like these guys are 99.9% of the time absolutely harmless.What's the difference between these guys and, say OWS or BLM? Yeah they have guns but at the end of the day they took over an empty building in the middle of a park in Oregon. They're not blocking major arteries in cities or burning down, destroying, vandalizing and looting entire blocks like we've seen in Ferguson, Saint-Louis, etc... Some of them have inflammatory language, I agree, but how is it any worse than 'Pigs in blanket, fry them all' or 'Kill all bankers'?

Now I don't support them in any way whatsoever, and I think that this guy is an idiot and definitely a lolcow but they'll fade into obscurity in a couple of weeks and a few years from now it's gonna be "Oh yeah wasnt there something in.. I don't know some rednecks with guns took over a building or something?" as long as the Feds don't bungle it and it becomes Waco 2.0
 
Internet War Criminal said:
[...]It's a question of perspective. I'd rather have what we have in America than what's happening in so-called enlightened Europe any day.[...]
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Care to elaborate on the marked part? What exactly do you mean? Its sounds too much like a false dichotomy.
 
Internet War Criminal said:
The thing is, for the Founding Fathers all the way back to the original settlers the whole American project was a religious endeavor. Both the Constitution and Bill of Right were believed to be not only political documents but also a Divine Covenant of sort. If you look in their writings, they saw themselves as the Hebrews who crossed the Sea to the Promised Land, they were going to set up a new Kingdom that would be following their own religious and ethical views closer than England which was steeped in terrible behavior and obviously not dictated by religious concerns and driven by piety.
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I think you're confusing two groups here.

I don't want to derail this any more than it has so the details are going into a spoiler
The Puritans, namely those that came over during the 17th century, were planning on creating a religious state specifically Christian. While they were the first Europeans to successfully create a colony over here, they're typically not known as the Founding Fathers and more often referred to as the Pilgrims.

Fast forward to the Continental Congress in the 18th century when the Declaration of Independence was signed and then twelve years later when the Constitution itself was actually ratified. These are the guys that signed the Declaration that are typically known as the Founding Fathers or at least that's how I always came to understand them.

So while I hear many times from the Right that they were all practicing Christians, some going as far as to say they were all of an Evangelical born again bent, that's simply a modern day creation used more often than not to drive home a carefully crafted narrative. The truth, as far as I know, is that they weren't huge on religion, being a mixture of nominal Christians, Deists and couple of not withstandings. Yes, some were religious, others paid a kind of lip service to it and others were of a strange mixture of Deism and Christianity.
 
The Constitution was explicitly a secular document.
The no religious test clause, for one, is proof of that. Several people tried like mad to tack on language about the one true God, but they all got shot down.
The First Amendment's establishment clause
The Treaty of Triopli, ratified in 1796, Article 11 "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
After the ratification of the Bill of Rights, the states began disbanding their official churches.
The founding fathers were not a united front. The Constitution was hammered out over month of meeting and negotiation. Some of them were Christian (of various sects), some were deist, some were atheists in practice, but paid lip service to religion. The one thing they could agree on was that religious strife would tear the new country apart faster than anything else, so it was best left to each individual.
On topic, they're apparently letting these idiots come and go as they please. On the one hand, I'm mad that they're letting a bunch of criminals operate with impunity, on the other hand, I can see the reasoning. If they block the roads, cut the power and phones, and start a standoff, that gives these toy soldiers exactly what they want, and increases the chance that someone will die over stupidity. Ignoring them seems to be the way to go right now. Once it becomes apparent they're not gonna get their shootout with the government, they'll get bored and go home. At that point, the feds can pick them up if they feel like pressing charges but really, what's the point?
 
Phil Ken Sebben said:
I think you're confusing two groups here.

I don't want to derail this any more than it has so the details are going into a spoiler
The Puritans, namely those that came over during the 17th century, were planning on creating a religious state specifically Christian. While they were the first Europeans to successfully create a colony over here, they're typically not known as the Founding Fathers and more often referred to as the Pilgrims.

Fast forward to the Continental Congress in the 18th century when the Declaration of Independence was signed and then twelve years later when the Constitution itself was actually ratified. These are the guys that signed the Declaration that are typically known as the Founding Fathers or at least that's how I always came to understand them.

So while I hear many times from the Right that they were all practicing Christians, some going as far as to say they were all of an Evangelical born again bent, that's simply a modern day creation used more often than not to drive home a carefully crafted narrative. The truth, as far as I know, is that they weren't huge on religion, being a mixture of nominal Christians, Deists and couple of not withstandings. Yes, some were religious, others paid a kind of lip service to it and others were of a strange mixture of Deism and Christianity.
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The irony is that the Puritans were more "War on Christmas"-y than any leftie that Fox News screams about.
 
Quit taking these idiots seriously, they're lolcows.
 
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