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This is an excellent point and goes to the heart of philosophy!

This is going off-topic, but Seneca is a prime example of this contention. His stoicism speaks of resignation from worldly affairs, how much better it is to be alone than to be in the court, yet he spent much of his life as a teacher and advisor to Nero. The early Roman historian Dio Cassius noted "while denouncing tyranny, Seneca was making himself a teacher of a tyrant," and while disparaging flattery in his letters, consistently fawned over the rich and powerful for his own gain. He was lucky enough to write essays and tragedies whilst living out the high life in the Roman court. His suicide execution, at least to me, seems like a parody of Socrates' own. He attempts to kill himself poetically as a stoic should, but it turns into a long, drawn-out affair as many over-thought actions do. Much like Mishima's failed seppuku (it was not as visually appealing as Paul Schrader makes it in the film) or Macbeth following the Witches' prophecy, the reality is never so clean as words and imagination make it out to be.

Seneca was a hypocrite of the highest order, yes, but would not a man who was sentenced to death three times not know the pleasures of resignation? Should we judge him by what he does or what he says he should be like? Now, I am not a stoic but Seneca's essays make me think and I am better off for reading them. He is a flawed character, yes, but it does not make him an unworthwhile read, simply a cause for understanding and restraint from leaping into ideals. If he had followed through on his thinking, and become the contemplative ascetic, I'm doubtful anyone would have heard of him, especially in the modern era. This you could apply to all abstract philosophies and the privilege of being able to preach them. Seneca, Jonathan Dollimore has written, "arguably demonstrates the inevitable, insightful failure of philosophy when it engages with the reality it seeks to know." Perhaps this is why Wittgenstein tried to escape the label of philosopher. He knew how 'the truth' led him astray from living and practicality (he wanted to be an architect and engineer). Philosophy is better off with his inner turmoil, however, as it made him frank and honest about its limitations.

A better example and one of my favourite sections in all of literature is from Samuel Johnson's Rasselas. Rasselas is a prince in search of "The Good Life." On his journey, he meets a philosopher, who waxes on about his idealised worldview and principles. Rasselas is impressed by the man's learning and tries to meet him the next day, not knowing the philosopher's daughter has died.

Rasselas leaves, "convinced of the emptiness of rhetorical sounds, and the inefficacy of polished periods and studied sentences." Johnson wrote the novel to cover his much-loved mother's funeral expenses. I am certain philosophers provided him with no comfort in his grief.
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So basically, philosophy is for well off people who have the luxury of being able to think all the time?
 
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Breadbassket said:
So basically, philosophy is for well off people who have the luxury of being able to think all the time?
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Historically, yes. Today? Not at all.
I work twelve hour days barely making ends meet, listening to audio books and lectures every minute I'm at work. I would not have been able to see through the bullshit of Rawls, Moore, Hume etc if I'd been born a generation earlier but now there is both the easily accessible content available for listening and relatively cheap technology allowing for its consumption that permits someone like me to become the only living man to have made any meaningful contribution to the field of moral philosophy without ever having attended any elite institution.
 
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Breadbassket said:
So basically, philosophy is for well off people who have the luxury of being able to think all the time?
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Big picture: it requires a certain amount of leisure time and an actual desire to engage in the activity, which means the more well off are apt to engage in it, but it isn’t always the case. Philosophical schools like Stoicism and Cynicism got really popular after Alexander the Great and when the first few generations of the Early Church started to spread around the Mediterranean, Stoicism was often their biggest rival in towns and settlements. You can even find Early Church Fathers struggling to even properly differentiate between Paul’s view on marriage versus that of Stoicism.

And don’t forget the psychiatrist Aaron Beck based some of the principles of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy on what he read from the Stoics, which went on to become a fairly successful modality of treatment from everything from Depression to Tourette syndrome.
 
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Worj said:
Pros: you can finally understand whatever tf Julius Evola was talking about
Cons: crippling paranoid schizophrenia
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The only thing you need to understand about Evola is he was a dandy scholar who after much reading came to the conclusion maybe there's good reason for the existence of tradition and spiritual practice, that ancient cultural markers contain far more impactful implicit knowledge than pea brained rationalist types are attempting to make explicit through faulty and incomplete experimental data. With this insight he fathered no children.
 
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He’s crying about anonymous demon troll rats again

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blazeaster said:
He’s crying about anonymous demon troll rats again

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If he has kicked benzos, this is probably how he is dealing with rebound anxiety. His addiction pretty much put a wet blanket over his hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis and now that he has been clean long enough, it is back working at full steam and JP can’t handle the stress and anxiety of being a public figure without his pills.

This was entirely predictable, because when JP’s family quietly announced he was seeking treatment for his xannie habit, they insisted it wasn’t an “addiction” but a “physical dependence” that resulted from taking prescribed medication. Basically, even when implicitly admitting addiction, they were still in public denial of it.

I’m willing to bet JP doesn’t think he needs to relearn healthy means of dealing with stress and anxiety after his time being addicted to Xanax and that once he was free and clear from the physical side effects, the ordeal would be over.

This is exactly why physicians don’t treat themselves and lawyers don’t represent themselves. JP should know his position lacks perspective, but his actions and attitude seem to indicate otherwise.
 
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Pump Meat said:
If he has kicked benzos, this is probably how he is dealing with rebound anxiety. His addiction pretty much put a wet blanket over his hypothalamic pituitary adrenal axis and now that he has been clean long enough, it is back working at full steam and JP can’t handle the stress and anxiety of being a public figure without his pills.
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I want to feel bad for the guy because for who knows how many years he used drugs to cope with stress, and that is sad (stupid, but sad). However, given that his major stresses nowadays seem to stem almost entirely from the comment section on youtube videos/twitter replies, I really can't sympathize. Nigga just close your eyes lmao but unironically
 
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I think what we're looking at with Jordan is a long-term failure of methodology playing itself out in each tragic and hilarious act. That being said I still think there's good wisdom to be gleamed from him, though it's a diminishing factor of his current career. Where he failed is pretty simple. He failed to realize that the industrial revolution and it's consequences have been a disaster for mankind. He studies the bible up and down for methods to inspire, and manipulate, the people he talks to but he doesn't live those same lessons himself. He was fooled by his daughter, someone he has biblical dominion over, into eating nothing but steak. Your gut flora needs fiber otherwise it turns into an autism-inducing wasteland, there are 10 times more bacteria in your body than there are cells, it's extremely necessary to eat right otherwise you WILL be sorry. And women have a proclivity towards long-term infliction of suffering. Everything Jordan has said and studied lines up with the dragon of chaos coming directly from his orderly household to wreck havoc on him, because he's ultimately a weepy liberal who allowed second wave feminism to go unchecked, and the long-term consequences of that are exactly the danger haired third wave of feminism we see today, him and his boomer peers were exactly responsible for this, in all their worship of engineering and comfort, they forgot what it meant to be a man.

The most disgusting thing Jordan and other boomers do, however, is contort and twist themselves into inhuman shapes in order to defend this phony religious movement of "judeo-christianity" that shit is completely made up by zionists who wish to make slaves, golems, out of evangelicals. This might not only lead to the destruction of America, but a tidal wave of propaganda, followed by increasingly severe crime, drug smuggling, human trafficking, sex crime and pedophilia, murder and torture, all over the world. The fact that the boomers didn't WAKE UP to the fact that THEY were the ones to defund the police by cutting taxes through Reaganism, and how they've been propped back up, trained, and supplied by the IDF in the worst parts of the country. How that cancer is metastasizing through the entire nation. Shows that this neoconservative/neoliberal bullshit about bringing democracy and uplifting people out of poverty and Israel being our greatest ally is, to use a word Jordan likes: Utter Rubbish.
 
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