Manosphere Jordan Peterson - Internet Daddy Simulator, Post-modern Anti-postmodernist, Canadian Psychology Professor, Depressed, Got Hooked on Benzos

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"Dave Rubin and I have been discussing the establishment of a PAteron-like enterprise that will not be susceptible to arbitrary censorship."

Much like the earlier proposed AI to test for postmodernism/marxism in university courses, I expect to not hear much about this again. Because you still need financial services and paypal and credit card processors have been no less willing to censor/deplatform.

Though it reads like a "please don't stop supporting my patreon, even if they behaved badly!"

And if you think about it, it even looks like a move to get Sargon's prior patreon audience.

Peter Thiel is indirectly involved in the Intellectual Dork Web, so coming up with a payment solution might not be that impossible. Especially since he was one of the main guys behind PayPal.
 

"Dave Rubin and I have been discussing the establishment of a PAteron-like enterprise that will not be susceptible to arbitrary censorship."

Much like the earlier proposed AI to test for postmodernism/marxism in university courses, I expect to not hear much about this again. Because you still need financial services and paypal and credit card processors have been no less willing to censor/deplatform.

Though it reads like a "please don't stop supporting my patreon, even if they behaved badly!"

And if you think about it, it even looks like a move to get Sargon's prior patreon audience.
Honestly this sounds like another ideological(!) affinity scam, like what Milo or Quinn have pulled, but with an even larger audience and high IQ guys running the show.

The next few years could be very interesting.
 
Honestly this sounds like another ideological(!) affinity scam, like what Milo or Quinn have pulled, but with an even larger audience and high IQ guys running the show.

The next few years could be very interesting.
I don’t know, there’s a lot of money behind the IDW. Eric Weinstein’s managing director of Thiel Capital, for instance.

Starting a payment processor when you have Peter “Bloodboy” Thiel’s connections and billions wouldn’t be impossible and possibly quite profitable. They could get away with charging a lot more than the average financial institution, simple because faggots like Sargon of Abused are banned from all other services.
 
And if you think about it, it even looks like a move to get Sargon's prior patreon audience.

I'll be fair to Peterson. I don't think he's actually that scummy. Sargon's video about him called "hero of free speech" with his face on the thumbnail went viral and was one of the first major stepping stones for Peterson out of obscurity.

Also the interviews with Sargon help Peterson gain the attention of the previous atheist comunity that was disenchanted at the time (with hitchens dead and Sam Harris and Thundef00t being pure :autism:) I think he's actually trying to help Sargon and the cause of Online free speech. (how will that work out... only time will tell) And being honest, Peterson does owe a lot to Sargon, being the latter able to inflete the outragebux enough for Peterson to become... THE Jordan Peterson.

Edit: By the way, can we change the OP title to a better one already? Everytime I read "post modern anti post modernist" I cringe.
 
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I'll be fair to Peterson. I don't think he's actually that scummy.

I wouldn't even call it scummy; it's just good business sense. But on a seperate note, I will call Peterson scummy for other reasons. After all I have also not forgotten that this brave brave man censored/deplatformed someone from a free speech rally. Ironically, not even for saying the wrong thing, but for not saying the right thing that should have been said.

Which is funny, because that was the whole basis of Peterson's defense against bill C 16 in the first place and his original rise to fame. That people shouldn't be forced to say things they don't want to say.


Edit: By the way, can we change the OP title to a better one already? Everytime I read "post modern anti post modernist" I cringe.

He is both an anti-postmodernist (I can find numerous videos of him attacking postmodernism) AND he is a postmodernist (I can find numerous videos in which he plays language/redefinition games to avoid having to give a straigth answer).

If you want examples, I'll give them, but they're easy to find. A number are already in this thread ("It depends on what you mean by real", or his hour+ conversation with sam harris where they can't progress because Peterson has redefined what "truth" means, rather than using an alternate word for his new concept like "evolutionary truth", which better describes what Peterson was talking about.)

If you have a better or funnier way to describe an anti-postmodern postmodernist, let me know. I thought it was funny that a guy who spends so much time railing against postmodernism, while he falls into many of its own trappings himself (and more than almost anybody else I know).

People asked him if he thought that a figure with the name of jesus was literally resurrected after being crucified and he said it would take him 40 hours of lectures to give an answer to that question. Because of all the metaphysical truths, I suppose, or because he needs time to strategize into how he can give an answer to please both his christian and atheist following.
 
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He is both an anti-postmodernist (I can find numerous videos of him attacking postmodernism) AND he is a postmodernist (I can find numerous videos in which he plays language/redefinition games to avoid having to give a straigth answer).

If you have a better or funnier way to describe an anti-postmodern postmodernist, let me know. I thought it was funny that a guy who spends so much time railing against postmodernism, while he falls into many of its own trappings himself (and more than almost anybody else I know).

Two points.

In my view Peterson is a modernist. I'll say what definitions I use and how I see it, and then people can agree or not. I think that'd be better than having an "intelectual" spergfest worthy of and atheist forum. :autism: ahead.

I'll say he's a modernist because he still holds the traditional notions of "progress" and his word play typical of Jungians and avoidance to give definition isn't a postmodern practice. It's just him weaseling out of a bind since IMO he knows much of his followers are atheist and he can't possibly proof the existance of god. If you look at plays of Samuel Becket, writings of James Joyce and Piccasso's art are classified as modernist. (cubism, especially) and none of them make much "realist" sense.

His modernist views reject the "realism" of previous eras (that's where you get the weird jungian-christian babble stuff) but still overall hold a narrative. "Society can improve if the individual improves. Start by sorting yourself out and making your bed." and "See, Africa is getting better with capitalism. They just need more of it." like he says on twitter.

If he was postmodern he'd be rejecting the notion of "progress and societal advancement" and instead be mainly holding the idea that knowledge and narratives don't necesarily mean progress, and instead are a form of social control and so are interpretations of knowledge.

I'll also say he's a bad modernist because he doesn't admit that his narritve ultimately depends of faith. And that to a certain degree he's just an idealist and in order to buy into his narrative, you'd have to "listen and believe" like with Jungian stuff and Christian belief.

It's very modernist of him to grab what he believes is to be right and see it through his own perspective. (In a similar way to what Picasso did with Cubist art, painting objects or people from different perspectives at once). But that's where we will find most of his contradictions, since reality obviously can't fit his unique perspective. Not to mention he's a cow.

Second point.

If you disagree with me, which is fine, the "postmodern anti-postmodernist" is just way too full and big to be catchy to the eye. Too many "modernism". I'd like to see something a little more catchy and a little more spite, just for the hell of it. Some of my suggestions are "Diabetic post-antimodernist wanna be." "Bipolar Post-antimodernist leaf" "Banished Jungian who hates Commies." "Cries when Foulcault is mentioned." "Bastard son of a three-way between Nietzsche, Kermit the frong and Jung"

Those tittles are funny to me, but I'm not Adam Sandler nor Dynastia, so I might not be the best judge of humor. Good luck.
 
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If you disagree with me, which is fine, the "postmodern anti-postmodernist" is just way too full and big to be catchy to the eye. Too many "modernism". I'd like to see something a little more catchy and a little more spite, just for the hell of it. Some of my suggestions are "Diabetic post-antimodernist wanna be." "Bipolar Post-antimodernist leaf" "Banished Jungian who hates Commies." "Cries when Foulcault is mentioned." "Bastard son of a three-way between Nietzsche, Kermit the frong and Jung"

Those tittles are funny to me, but I'm not Adam Sandler nor Dynastia, so I might not be the best judge of humor. Good luck.

I think the way you're defining postmodern and modernism is fine; I suppose I always think of postmodernism and modernism as mostly the same thing; I don't think modernism could have led anywhere else than postmodernism and in many cases whether it's art or philosophies, any specific instance is hard to distinguish between the two. I suppose that's a lot of words to say I'm too much of a philistine to appreciate the difference. Too much of a barbarian to understand the nuanced differences between modernist 'fountain' and postmodernist 'christmas tree'.
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Philosophically, I run into the same problem. When you look at any attempted definition between modernist and postmodernist, it usually seems just as true if you exchange "modernist" for "romaticist" and "postmodernist" for "modernist". You're pointing towards one of the few clearly identifiable differences; having a meta-narrative and as such it may make sense to classify Peterson as a modernist.

Though I don't think the fact that Peterson is weaseling out of a question necessary disqualifies him from being a postmodernist; of course he is weaseling out of a question. It's the method how he weasels out of the question that is pertinent. Like when he answers "Do you believe in god", he goes into detail that the probability that other people mean the same thing with "believe" and "god" is virtually zero. Now, rather than explain or make so approximation of what he understand those terms to mean, he continues to explain why it's so difficult. Now think about that logically for a second. The probability that other people understand it to be the same thing is virtually zero? Is that not because he continues to redefine words in a way that communication itself becomes mostly impossible. Even if he'd explain, then you'd get Clintonesque moments of "That depends on what the meaning of the word is is", because what is the probability that other people understand each of the words used in the explanation as Jordan Peterson understands them?

Anyways I'm using a lot of words to say that essentially postmodernism and modernism is the same filth to me. And if I were to accept your definition, I'd have to accept myself as being a modernist (for acting like a shitty picasso) by using a personal perspective rather than an universal one. Well, fuck. I've got some introspection to do. I'll leave this here as a testament to my lack of knowledge on either subject. I suppose stream-of-consciousness too is very modernist. Well fuck.

Although I would say that just because Peterson might overall be more of a modernist, that doesn't make his redefinition of words to make them meaningless any less postmodernist.

In any case; if someone has a funnier name, let's hear it. Sorry, to say, I don't think your suggestions were better. They were all longer as well. I'm sure there's better titles out there. Though you may have just sold me on "kermit the Jung".
 
We're on page 4. How has nobody posted this cringy as fuck comic some fart huffing fan drew about him?:

Both the art and humour were good imo. The best thing I've seen this thread anyway. The rest are posts which amount to 'I can't justify throwing personal attacks his way so his fans suck!' and 'I'm not a fan/I don't like him but here's a paragraph of why he's awesome... b-but I'm not a fan, Baka!'

Clearly not a lolcow due to the lack of material here. His aligning with the anti-pc (right leaning 'centrists', far right, alt-right) means it's still possible he'll make a fool of himself later on.
 
Clearly not a lolcow due to the lack of material here. His aligning with the anti-pc (right leaning 'centrists', far right, alt-right) means it's still possible he'll make a fool of himself later on.

Repovul, you decide to post for the first time in the farms and your first post is the "clearly not a lolcow" Peterson whiteknight?
:story: Is by any chance... your room clean?

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Earlier today, Peterson posted something whining about how his video on... I don't know what it was about... had only 75K views compared to Dave Rubin's video on the same thing, which had 150K, and he bitched about it to YouTube.

I quote: "No one will do well if we corrupt the very idea of number."
 
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