Kangz and Kweenz - Blacktivist/Black Nationalist Pseudohistorians trying to reclaim other nations' achievements and histories "WE WUZ KANGZ/KWEENZ N' SHIET"

The whole slaves built the pyramids thing is pretty much 100% known to be bullshit. It's stuff from Herodotus, written about 2000 years after the pyramids were built. Archeological evidence and recovered Egyptian records are very in depth about who built them - skilled laborers hired by the state, supplemented by farmers during the inundation periods where fields were uncultivatable.

More on topic, there's a lot of crossover with these guys and various ancient aliens people, in that both challenge generally accepted theories of ancient cultures and practices. Unlike the ancient aliens guys, the We Was Kangz crowd doesn't really have any 'mainstream' advocates. They don't have a history channel show, they're laughed out of academia.
 
Unlike the ancient aliens guys, the We Was Kangz crowd doesn't really have any 'mainstream' advocates. They don't have a history channel show, they're laughed out of academia.
Don't be too sure about academia. There are plenty of black supremacists and Nation of Islam fanatics in the liberal arts who hold these or similar beliefs, even if they aren't allowed to publish papers on them.
 
Don't be too sure about academia. There are plenty of black supremacists and Nation of Islam fanatics in the liberal arts who hold these or similar beliefs, even if they aren't allowed to publish papers on them.
Calling liberal arts 'academia' is stretching the term. Everyone in the field of archeology with two brain cells dismisses them out of hand, as significant claims require significant evidence, and they have no hard evidence.
 
Calling liberal arts 'academia' is stretching the term. Everyone in the field of archeology with two brain cells dismisses them out of hand, as significant claims require significant evidence, and they have no hard evidence.
I think you're right. At least that is what I've seen. About the "black Egyptians" the standard woke answer you get will be: "We don't know how Egyptians looked like", "Egyptians were a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural population" or just "Egyptians didn't have the racial concepts we have today". Genetic evidence alone should be enough today to disprove any claim of "Black Egyptians", unless we're talking about Southern Egyptian... because there were definitely people there who we could call black. Furthermore the field of archeology doesn't exist only in the West. I really don't think that the Chinese will accept the claim of the kangz that the foundation of the Chinese Empire was built by Africans.

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Don't be too sure about academia. There are plenty of black supremacists and Nation of Islam fanatics in the liberal arts who hold these or similar beliefs, even if they aren't allowed to publish papers on them.

And even though archeology doesn't accept claims like "the Greeks were black", there is still a lot of woke influence there as well. I just saw a podcast some weeks ago in which a black girl (with no credentials) talked about the need for more black Sumeriologists (Yes, even Sumeria can't be understood without the black experience). There are also enough woke people (including some Greeks themselves) that reject the idea that modern Greek are the direct descendants of Ancient Greeks. They really, really need a multicultural past of the world's history (I'm not saying that Greeks were homogenous, they never were. But everyone with enough brain cells left should understand that Greeks had a conhesive ethnic identity). Somehow genetic evidence that Greeks are mostly the descendants of ancient Middle Eastern farmers isn't enough. No serious researcher today is claiming that Ancient Greeks were a pure Aryan race. Hell, even Mussolini thought that Mediterranean people were more similar to each other and distinct from the white and black apes.
The most common political move I see is overexaggerating "black achievements". So what is consider to be primitive culture for any other civilization (for example primitive art), will be considered a high achievement if it's done in Africa. There is also the need to shame people if they make a distinction between North Africa and the rest of Africa. I think the idea is something like a trickle-down racial politics: If Egyptian achievements are called "African achievements", they somehow trickle down to South Africa as well. However, everyone with two eyes can see that North Africans and the rest of the African people look different. Genetically speaking, North Africans are more similiar to people in the Middle East and somewhat South Europe than to the other African populations.
 
I think you're right. At least that is what I've seen. About the "black Egyptians" the standard woke answer you get will be: "We don't know how Egyptians looked like", "Egyptians were a multi-ethnic and multi-cultural population" or just "Egyptians didn't have the racial concepts we have today". Genetic evidence alone should be enough today to disprove any claim of "Black Egyptians", unless we're talking about Southern Egyptian... because there were definitely people there who we could call black. Furthermore the field of archeology doesn't exist only in the West. I really don't think that the Chinese will accept the claim of the kangz that the foundation of the Chinese Empire was built by Africans.

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And even though archeology doesn't accept claims like "the Greeks were black", there is still a lot of woke influence there as well. I just saw a podcast some weeks ago in which a black girl (with no credentials) talked about the need for more black Sumeriologists (Yes, even Sumeria can't be understood without the black experience). There are also enough woke people (including some Greeks themselves) that reject the idea that modern Greek are the direct descendants of Ancient Greeks. They really, really need a multicultural past of the world's history (I'm not saying that Greeks were homogenous, they never were. But everyone with enough brain cells left should understand that Greeks had a conhesive ethnic identity). Somehow genetic evidence that Greeks are mostly the descendants of ancient Middle Eastern farmers isn't enough. No serious researcher today is claiming that Ancient Greeks were a pure Aryan race. Hell, even Mussolini thought that Mediterranean people were more similar to each other and distinct from the white and black apes.
The most common political move I see is overexaggerating "black achievements". So what is consider to be primitive culture for any other civilization (for example primitive art), will be considered a high achievement if it's done in Africa. There is also the need to shame people if they make a distinction between North Africa and the rest of Africa. I think the idea is something like a trickle-down racial politics: If Egyptian achievements are called "African achievements", they somehow trickle down to South Africa as well. However, everyone with two eyes can see that North Africans and the rest of the African people look different. Genetically speaking, North Africans are more similiar to people in the Middle East and somewhat South Europe than to the other African populations.
The modern Greeks are essentially a mix of Anatolian and Balkan peoples. While the idea of a 'cohesive Greek ethnic identity' certainly existed, it was more transient and divided than we'd consider nationalism today, and the modern Greeks are certainly distinct from the ancient populations genetically speaking - 2000 years of interaction with various peoples across the world is going to have an impact. Wanting more people with diverse backgrounds to enter the field of Sumerian studies is not a bad thing.

Something to remember about Sub Saharan Africa is that they didn't have horses. What they did have was cows, but cows were way more valuable for milk and meat and hide to even consider them as plow animals. They were reliant on agriculture in a climate that wasn't always the best for it, as semi-nomadic groups could better deal with the somewhat unpredictable weather cycles of Africa in many locations. They still built things like the Great Zimbabwe, and African metalworking produced iron and steel of very high quality and craftsmanship. When you consider what materials they had to work with, lack of a written language, and no great large unifying state or factors to encourage such unification, it's pretty impressive what the southern and western sub-saharan peoples were able to do, relatively isolated from the global trade networks that fueled the Mediterranean, India, and the like. East Africa has a long and rich history in states like Ethiopia, which were connected to the global network, and they did some impressive things too in architecture.

Part of the problem is the generalization of the African continent as one big mass of either ignorant savages or noble kings. Another part of the problem is compared to places Greece, not a lot of attempts were made to do large scale archeological work outside of a few areas of Africa, and that's not getting into the politics of the Great Zimbabwe and how Rhodesia tried to pretend White People Did It. Culturally, Sub-Saharan Africa is a linguistic and ethnic gold mine that anthropologists, historians, and archeologists have only very recently been getting into. While there might not be a huge amount of physical evidence in terms of large, permanent cities constructed of stone, there's other stuff we can look for and find to get a better understanding of how Africa fits into the broader human story.
 
The modern Greeks are essentially a mix of Anatolian and Balkan peoples.

Yes and no. Greeks have like all Europeans three major ancestral compounds: European Hunter and Gatherers (the ostensibly blue eyed ones with dark skin), Early European Farmers (These are the Antaolians. Themselves a mixture of Anatolian and more Southern Middle Eastern/Levantine ancestry) and Yamnaya (The ones who probably domesticated horses quite early, were able to drink milk and spread the Indo-European languages). Greeks have high amounts of Early European Farmers ancestry. The amount of Yamnaya ancestry increased in the last 2000 years, as it did in the rest of the Balkan area (most strongly in places like Northern Croatia and Hungary etc.).

2000 years of interaction with various peoples across the world is going to have an impact
Sure, the impact was still not that big. Geneticists were rather surprised that the Roman Empire, for example, only had little impact on the genetic make-up of their provinces. The Ottoman Empire had barely any impact on Balkan demographics as well. The biggest shift was the slavic migration towards Southern Europe and Greece was impacted by this as well, no doubt. Greeks also incorporated some of their slaves' ancestry, as did the Turks. But at least according to archeogenetics (which is still quite young, I'm not denying that), it's not like modern Greeks would be extremely different from people living there 2000 years ago. Culture and language shift much faster than genes do. Modern Turks are mostly Muslim and speak a Turkic language. Genetically speaking they aren' extremely different from their Greek ancestor. And Anatolian Greeks themselves were people who have been hellinized.

Wanting more people with diverse backgrounds to enter the field of Sumerian studies is not a bad thing.
I didn't say it's a bad thing. It's not necessary. Furthermore which groups have to be more included depend highly on the hegemonic American culture. Nobody asks for more Moldovans in Sumeriology, because they're not part of what the American neoliberal left deems to be important. I'm all for more input from Non-American countries in fields like Sumeriology. The amount of your melanin can be important in certain fields, but it won't help you to decode the Sumerian language better. It's also strongly influenced by your culture. A country like Iraq, which is less influenced by American culture, won't necessarily think that gay people need to be more represented in movies. For them it's bad, for other cultures it's good. If we were honest, we could admit that it's morally neutral.

Something to remember about Sub Saharan Africa is that they didn't have horses. What they did have was cows, but cows were way more valuable for milk and meat and hide to even consider them as plow animals. They were reliant on agriculture in a climate that wasn't always the best for it, as semi-nomadic groups could better deal with the somewhat unpredictable weather cycles of Africa in many locations. They still built things like the Great Zimbabwe, and African metalworking produced iron and steel of very high quality and craftsmanship. When you consider what materials they had to work with, lack of a written language, and no great large unifying state or factors to encourage such unification, it's pretty impressive what the southern and western sub-saharan peoples were able to do, relatively isolated from the global trade networks that fueled the Mediterranean, India, and the like. East Africa has a long and rich history in states like Ethiopia, which were connected to the global network, and they did some impressive things too in architecture.
I don't disagree with that. The geographic problems of Africa are well known and it's clear that geography had a big impact how fast and wide civilizations developed. Nobody is surprised that agriculture flourished much earlier in Mesopotamia than in Sweden.

Part of the problem is the generalization of the African continent as one big mass of either ignorant savages or noble kings. Another part of the problem is compared to places Greece, not a lot of attempts were made to do large scale archeological work outside of a few areas of Africa, and that's not getting into the politics of the Great Zimbabwe and how Rhodesia tried to pretend White People Did It.
Such generalizations aren't unique to Africa. People think Europe is a rich continent, even though wealth is mostly concentrated in the West. Countries like Moldova and Ukraine aren't just poor, they're some of the poorest countries in the world. Large scale archeological work was even rarely/very lately done in other places of Europe/Asia as well.

Culturally, Sub-Saharan Africa is a linguistic and ethnic gold mine that anthropologists, historians, and archeologists have only very recently been getting into.
Yes, I agree. So is South America, for example. Regions that had large empires tend to get more boring. The Middle East and Europe were both home to much more language families, most of which died out without ever being written. Today the Middle East is dominated by almost just one semitic language, namely Arabic (Sure, the dialects might be considered languages) and most languages in Europe are Indo-European. The Chinese empire too costed the life of many different cultures and languages.

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Maybe I sounded a bit too much like your typical alt-right racist. Sometimes people just make stupid claims (like the kangs) and I can't help making condescending remarks regarding ethnic group X. I think it's as stupid as when Germans claim that the ancient Greeks and Romans were pure Aryans that enslaved dumb Mediterraneans and over time the Mediterraneans took Greece over and fucked it up. I don't even deny that there are white kangz who claimed that the ancient Egyptians were Aryans from Denmark who conquered Egypt. It's as stupid, but you see it (nowadays) much rarer than, let's say 50 years ago.
 
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If this dude could prove he had £50K I’d totally pretend to be a Rabbi
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Link to the tweet

Not sure what the criteria is to prove the validity of Judaism but i’d give it my best.
 
Some old paintings of Minoans (modern Crete)
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You can tell that lady is the Queen cause she has her titties out.
Real queens always show their tiddies.


Also fellas let's not get to deep in to genetics and ethno history of the world, just focus on the crazy black people saying crazy black people things.
 
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I'm curious why he was scheduled to speak at CPAC in the first place. That's like having Yosemite Sam speak at a BLM event with a Confederate flag backdrop.
If they didn't invite token blacks, it would be a docket full of Jewish people telling you about "Judeo-Christian Values" and why they mean you need to go to war against Iran. The place is more or less just a neocon summit.
 
Meet Anthony Elmore.



He believes the Anacalypsis is absolute truth. He's openly racist to whites and Asians. His take on the Kangz bullshit is that all of Asia was originally black. Including Buddha and Minatomo no Yoritomo (first shogun of the Kamakura period in Japan).
What the hell! I didn't expect that to be honest. Reminds me of the afrocentric website I discovered through Stumble Upon that claimed Buddha and other religions were founded by black people.
 
Is there any connection between the West African folklore about being descended from Egyptians and modern Kangery? Is it some oral tradition that the nogs on the slave ships managed to pass on?
Doubt it. Most of the groups who claimed to be descended from Egyptians (or at least their nobility/royalty claimed to be descended from Egyptians) were the Muslim blacks who were raiding pagan blacks and selling them into slavery. These were like the Hausa, Mande peoples, etc. and they genetically do have more North African ancestry because they were the ones who traded with North Africans (plus there are actually a few Arab tribes who live in West Africa). Muslims were only a fraction of the slaves sold overseas though.

Those Muslims do seem to have passed on elements of their faith into Black Christianity and I swear I read a study saying like 10 percent of slaves in the US were either Muslims or had come from Islamic regions. Even if the majority of those Muslims lost their faith over time, the echoes of that is probably where Kangery comes from. See, in the 19th/early 20th century "Muslim" was synonymous with "Moor" and associated with Turkey, Egypt, and the rest of North Africa. So then you had all these now-educated blacks two generations removed from slavery in the 1920s/30s trying to figure out more about their blackness and some of them decided that "we wuz kangz." This is the era where new religions like the Moorish Science Temple, Rastafarians, and Nation of Islam (created by a white grifter in the black community who went by Wallace Fard Muhammad) originated. There was also a huge outgrowth of "Jesus and the disciples were black" Christian art in black churches. Black Hebrew Israelites started earlier but got a ton of new followers in this era too so the Ancient Egypt stuff naturally fit into the cultural milieu of the black community at the time.
I don’t even think the Nigerian tribals that ended up on the ships even knew Egypt existed. This is just niggos thinking that anything on the African continent is automatically black and part of their history.
They sold a few merchants and nobles into slavery and they would've known about Egypt or knew of the tradition that Egyptians were their ancestors.
 
Fun fact, Greek copies of Pharaonic Egyptian statues complete with cartouche ended up in Great Zimbabwe. While sub-Saharan Africa was isolated to a good degree from the rest of the Old World, they weren't completely cut off. East Africa was a vital leg in the Indian Ocean trade network, and that network went all the way down to Zanzibar. A text from around the first century CE, Periplus Maris Erythraei, has information about a place speculated to be in modern day Tanzania, and there's good archeological evidence that it was close to modern day Dar es Salaam - or even on the site itself. While contact with the Mediterranean world was limited, it did happen and goes to show that no matter what, people will transfer goods whenever they meet.

Doubt it. Most of the groups who claimed to be descended from Egyptians (or at least their nobility/royalty claimed to be descended from Egyptians) were the Muslim blacks who were raiding pagan blacks and selling them into slavery. These were like the Hausa, Mande peoples, etc. and they genetically do have more North African ancestry because they were the ones who traded with North Africans (plus there are actually a few Arab tribes who live in West Africa). Muslims were only a fraction of the slaves sold overseas though.

Those Muslims do seem to have passed on elements of their faith into Black Christianity and I swear I read a study saying like 10 percent of slaves in the US were either Muslims or had come from Islamic regions. Even if the majority of those Muslims lost their faith over time, the echoes of that is probably where Kangery comes from. See, in the 19th/early 20th century "Muslim" was synonymous with "Moor" and associated with Turkey, Egypt, and the rest of North Africa. So then you had all these now-educated blacks two generations removed from slavery in the 1920s/30s trying to figure out more about their blackness and some of them decided that "we wuz kangz." This is the era where new religions like the Moorish Science Temple, Rastafarians, and Nation of Islam (created by a white grifter in the black community who went by Wallace Fard Muhammad) originated. There was also a huge outgrowth of "Jesus and the disciples were black" Christian art in black churches. Black Hebrew Israelites started earlier but got a ton of new followers in this era too so the Ancient Egypt stuff naturally fit into the cultural milieu of the black community at the time.

They sold a few merchants and nobles into slavery and they would've known about Egypt or knew of the tradition that Egyptians were their ancestors.

Egyptian stuff ended up all over the place, fake or not, same with Roman coins. We've found Roman coins in China, IIRC. Attaching yourself to the accomplishments of a mythic and distant location that made neat things you may have seen once isn't unusual - it's a pretty common tactic of rulers in societies throughout history as a way to establish legitimacy and power. Sometimes there's genetic evidence to back it up, like the hebrew community in Ethiopia, who probably got Judaism from travelers from what is now modern day Yemen that settled down and intermarried into the local population. This is also where the Queen of Sheba stuff comes from, probably part of trading and diplomatic expeditions that happened all over the Red Sea in the Bronze Age. What really irritates me about the we was Kangz crowd is they ignore the really cool shit like Mansa Musa (AKA the greatest bling lord of all time), the Great Zimbabwe and Mutapa, Aksum, and the various kingdoms of the Kongo to instead focus on Egypt.
 
Fun fact, Greek copies of Pharaonic Egyptian statues complete with cartouche ended up in Great Zimbabwe. While sub-Saharan Africa was isolated to a good degree from the rest of the Old World, they weren't completely cut off. East Africa was a vital leg in the Indian Ocean trade network, and that network went all the way down to Zanzibar. A text from around the first century CE, Periplus Maris Erythraei, has information about a place speculated to be in modern day Tanzania, and there's good archeological evidence that it was close to modern day Dar es Salaam - or even on the site itself. While contact with the Mediterranean world was limited, it did happen and goes to show that no matter what, people will transfer goods whenever they meet.



Egyptian stuff ended up all over the place, fake or not, same with Roman coins. We've found Roman coins in China, IIRC. Attaching yourself to the accomplishments of a mythic and distant location that made neat things you may have seen once isn't unusual - it's a pretty common tactic of rulers in societies throughout history as a way to establish legitimacy and power. Sometimes there's genetic evidence to back it up, like the hebrew community in Ethiopia, who probably got Judaism from travelers from what is now modern day Yemen that settled down and intermarried into the local population. This is also where the Queen of Sheba stuff comes from, probably part of trading and diplomatic expeditions that happened all over the Red Sea in the Bronze Age. What really irritates me about the we was Kangz crowd is they ignore the really cool shit like Mansa Musa (AKA the greatest bling lord of all time), the Great Zimbabwe and Mutapa, Aksum, and the various kingdoms of the Kongo to instead focus on Egypt.
I guess the greatest bling lord of all time is too stereotypical for them.
 
Meet Anthony Elmore.



He believes the Anacalypsis is absolute truth. He's openly racist to whites and Asians. His take on the Kangz bullshit is that all of Asia was originally black. Including Buddha and Minatomo no Yoritomo (first shogun of the Kamakura period in Japan).
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Dis sculpture wuz proof dat da real Japaneze wuz black n' had dem negroid featurez before dem Wajin/Yamatos devilz came along. Das rite! WE WUZ JOMONZ N' SHIEET DESUYO.
 
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Here's Anthony Elmore's manifesto: Page 1, Page 2, Page 3, Page 4, Page 5, Page 6, Page 7, Page 8, Page 9, Page 10, and finally Page 11.

If you're willing to sift through all his poorly-written ramblings, you'll see how delusional he is. He cherry picks from various sources and makes up his own interpretations of them. He makes a lot of anti-white rants on his channel, yet he ironically depends on the scholarship of white men from the past to back up his claims.

Oddly enough, he also seems to have a grudge against the Nation of Islam:


Here he is butting heads with a NOI follower:

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What really irritates me about the we was Kangz crowd is they ignore the really cool shit like Mansa Musa (AKA the greatest bling lord of all time), the Great Zimbabwe and Mutapa, Aksum, and the various kingdoms of the Kongo to instead focus on Egypt.
The only reason they are obsessed with it is that Ancient Egypt is held in high regard by whites

We Wuzzers are a bunch of uncle Toms desperate to get some respek from the honkeys
 
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