Orbiter Kat Speculation - With guest appearances by her sister, Jenna

[Xenomorph]

He doesn’t care. All he wants is a wife on paper so he can look successful to his wheelchairs. He’s legitimately gay so he doesn’t care about women

100% been saying this. Phil is gay. Gay in thee sense h e wouldnt fuck a dude but would sit there legs akimbo jerking off with upside down hand looking at eachother gay. He was literally afraid to kiss or touch leanna and his wife now looks like a sad drag queen

 

[Iron Father]

In no particular order, I think Phil still has feelings for Leanna, if for no other reason than he was, for a long time, comfortable with her presence and doesn't like change. Leanna also did stuff around the house and cooked him non-potato based food. But Phil also holds grudges, and hates to admit he messed up, which is why he memory holed Leanna. Unlike with Rambo/Howard, he can't really spin it with Leanna without straight up lying. And while Phil normally has no problem lying, I don't think he can think of a reasonable lie that also makes him look good. If he says Leanna was cheating, he looks bad for letting it happen/not finding out about it. Plus, I think he knows there's the possibility one of his paypigs would try to troll Leanna about it prompting Leanna to counter his claims. He learned that after trying to lie about Rambo, insisting that was about Rambo being overly greedy.

I pretty strongly disagree with the belief that Phil treats Khet like Leanna treated him. Leanna legitimately seemed to care about Phil and for whatever reason, wanted his attention. Phil will talk up Khet, sure, but that's more Phil bragging, since if he has such an amazing wife, it must mean it's because he's an equally amazing husband. He also wants to give the impression of a happy relationship to own the trolls or whatever. But other than that, it doesn't seem like he particularly cares about Khet. Her recent birthday is probably the best example of that I can give, where he made it all about himself by going to get fast food and then complaining nonstop about the infamous chicken sandwich. Maybe there's a world where they actually spend time off stream together and he gives her attention, but it's more likely they, at most, sit in the same room together while playing mobile games, sometimes with a YouTuber in the background. Based on some of Phil's recent day off talks, it seems likely Khet isn't waddling out of the gout fortress with him, while he and Leanna at least walked around the mall together.

I don't think Phil hates her or anything, he's probably indifferent. I think he's a little frustrated she doesn't do the same stuff Leanna does, but he still thinks of it as a win since he gets to pretend he has a trophy wife.

1000% this.

Just look at how he talks about Rambo these days, admitting he misses hanging out with him, that those were good times, that he wishes Rambo would get in contact with him, while also maintaining he did nothing wrong. He can't be as candid about Leanna because it would probably cause drama with his wife.

 

[ReentryPhantom]

1000% this.

Just look at how he talks about Rambo these days, admitting he misses hanging out with him, that those were good times, that he wishes Rambo would get in contact with him, while also maintaining he did nothing wrong. He can't be as candid about Leanna because it would probably cause drama with his wife.

Yet this video is still up on DSPGaming

https://youtu.be/yrE9jH2b0Fs

 

[Yautja]

Yet this video is still up on DSPGaming

https://youtu.be/yrE9jH2b0Fs

This video reminds me of what is, imo, the most interesting part of Phil. The dude is a single man time capsule. All of his successes, failures, mundanity, wrapped up in a (semi) digestible package.

 

[Don't you lecture me]

Yet this video is still up on DSPGaming

https://youtu.be/yrE9jH2b0Fs

That comment section is something else, there're legit comments from a decade ago that are congratulating Dave, but anything more recent than that is shitting all over him. The guy had so much good will, all it took was time for people to see the way things really are.

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[Flavius Anthemius]

That comment section is something else, there're legit comments from a decade ago that are congratulating Dave, but anything more recent than that is shitting all over him. The guy had so much good will, all it took was time for people to see the way things really are.

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I've also managed to find some comments by some current channel members that were viewers of Phil so long ago, how some of these users have managed to stay entertained by this disgusting cunt for so long boggles my mind after everything he's pulled on his fans, other distant parties and Leanna, dedicated fans or not you would have to be a retarrr, as we can see here.

 

[TheGoutburglar]

1000% this.

Just look at how he talks about Rambo these days, admitting he misses hanging out with him, that those were good times, that he wishes Rambo would get in contact with him, while also maintaining he did nothing wrong. He can't be as candid about Leanna because it would probably cause drama with his wife.

I don't think Phil worries about such things because he clearly has such emotions over Leanna, and it's impossible to get him to think under normal circumstances, let alone when he's upset. And he would have to engage his brain in order to comprehend the potential consequences of admitting missing Leanna. This is the same guy who, on stream back when Katherine was there on the couch with him, reacted to mentioning of some old story about a crazy ex with an attempt at correction of the details, which made him look like he was hiding something when he wasn't. He just forgot his own bullshit story, which wasn't even about some ex of HIS. Phil had no idea how he looked, he clearly doesn't think about such things, and I get the feeling there wasn't a conversation about it later, either.

Katherine really strikes me as the type to be just as non-communicating as Phil, honestly, just for different reasons. In a legit relationship with someone who actually cares, you really should warn your partner that you have a past that will trigger you if brought up in the chat and made light of. I've ripped into Phil for not warning her about certain things, but she has her part in it too, because up until she learned otherwise, Katherine had reason to think that Phil would react appropriately to learning from her about her past. I just can't let Phil completely off the hook because he's Phil, and I know things still would've ended horribly.

Anyway, Phil doesn't delve into the subject of Leanna because it hurts him too much, he has shown that by bitching out completely during his retrospectives whenever Leanna appears. It isn't out of fear, we know what that looks like with him. He's hurt, still, by that loss, and by her words after leaving. With Rambo and Howard, they shit on him, and revealed certain things, but it wasn't as bad as telling the world that he failed to take advantage of having a young nympho. Nothing pains Phil more than finding out the hard way that he had some deficiency in his LARPing as a cool guy that he wasn't previously aware of, because it's such a powerful reminder to himself that he's nowhere near to being what he wants everyone, including himself, to believe he is.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Nothing pains Phil more than finding out the hard way that he had some deficiency in his LARPing as a cool guy that he wasn't previously aware of, because it's such a powerful reminder to himself that he's nowhere near to being what he wants everyone, including himself, to believe he is.

That's really what it comes down to, and why it's so hard to discuss how Phil "feels" about things. Idk how much he really feels about anything, because his entire existence is based around his self image and who he thinks he's supposed to be. He isn't really animated by independent thought or emotion, that's exemplified by how he can't manage to figure out games or deal with irl issues without someone telling him how in explicit terms, yet could graduate as valedictorian of his high school.

He prefers a loveless relationship like he has with Kat over what he had with Leanna because Kat doesn't demand closeness, which is safer. He doesn't have friends because it's safer not to trust people.

But that's also a mirror of Phil's attitude towards others; he assumes he has to be perfect all the time, as he expects other people to be perfect all the time. If anyone isn't they're lazy, or they're incompetent, or they're morons, or whatever it may be.

Basically he's a man deeply eaten up by his own shit and the fact is he cannot and will not ever have anything resembling a real relationship with another person until he confronts his own issues with himself, something he seems unwilling to do, probably because if he allowed self doubt to seep in even a bit he'd collapse entirely.

 

[Iron Father]

Anyway, Phil doesn't delve into the subject of Leanna because it hurts him too much, he has shown that by bitching out completely during his retrospectives whenever Leanna appears. It isn't out of fear, we know what that looks like with him. He's hurt, still, by that loss, and by her words after leaving. With Rambo and Howard, they shit on him, and revealed certain things, but it wasn't as bad as telling the world that he failed to take advantage of having a young nympho. Nothing pains Phil more than finding out the hard way that he had some deficiency in his LARPing as a cool guy that he wasn't previously aware of, because it's such a powerful reminder to himself that he's nowhere near to being what he wants everyone, including himself, to believe he is.

I think the revelation that Phil severely underpaid his friends who collaborated on content with him is way worse than learning that Phil's libido is about as dead as his passion for gaming. From any perspective.

I heard on here and somwhere ( I know its kind of unrelated to Phil) that Leanna is pregnant lmao?

Have you seen how they interact on camera? Random people on the street have better chemistry then those two. You know for a fact they both have zero interest in eachother other then DSP having a housemaid and Leanna having a roof over her head. I genuinely wonder if they've ever had sex in their past 5 years of dating and marriage.

I think you dummies mean Kat not Leanna.

 

[TheGoutburglar]

I think the revelation that Phil severely underpaid his friends who collaborated on content with him is way worse than learning that Phil's libido is about as dead as his passion for gaming. From any perspective.

To us? Sure. You can argue all day about Phil's reasons for not putting out, but there's no getting around the fact that he's a selfish deadbeat when it comes to his money. But you have to consider what actually hurts Phil, not what should.

As much as Phil denies being somebody who doesn't pay people what they're owed, it's very obviously from simply knowing that when that is said about him, it's with contempt. He knows it's a negative, from people speaking of it that way, but he feels nothing from doing it. So he only reacts to people with negative opinions, not ever the thing that's the bone of contention. He just doesn't connect the dots.

And as much as he lies about that, Phil isn't exactly LARPing about being an upstanding gentlemen, he's not going out of his way to appear the opposite of ALL the things he finds himself accused of regularly. Too much work, for one thing, and not enough emotions tied up in it all. But it is very heartfelt, his image of being a happily married man, and so when Leanna told everybody he doesn't fuck, that hit him way harder. He was able to connect those dots.

If we didn't know that from him bitching out any time Leanna came up during his retrospectives, we certainly did after he made it known that Rambo and Howard are still welcome to call him. There's no fucking way Phil would do that if he comprehended that refusing to pay people reflects way more poorly on him than not satisfying his first girlfriend. Why else do you think I bring the latter up far more often? If Phil reads this place enough to see any mentioning of that, by anyone, he probably bolts immediately.

 

[Sup3r]

I think the revelation that Phil severely underpaid his friends who collaborated on content with him is way worse than learning that Phil's libido is about as dead as his passion for gaming. From any perspective.

To a normal person it would be, but this is piggy we're talking about. Leanna hurt more because he thought he was in control, he thought that he could keep her there. Think about how she left, with zero fanfare. No videos accusing him of anything, no exposes, barely a peep. He had no way to portray her as some evil backstabber like he could with his old "friends".

The other difference was how much Phil had put into Leanna, trying to keep her with him. He wasn't hurt over his image of but over losing his live in maid. After all the most important thing for him when it came to kaht was that she was supposed to cook and clean for him.

 

[King Daddy Telomerase]

I think the revelation that Phil severely underpaid his friends who collaborated on content with him is way worse than learning that Phil's libido is about as dead as his passion for gaming. From any perspective.

Yes, but Leanna has a vagina and Rambo/Howard are dorky losers not much better than Phil. It's how the modern world works. Nobody would care about Katherine at all, and she would be wasting away in some halfway house, mental facility, or family member's basement if she had a dick.

 

[Iron Father]

If DSP truly cared about keeping Leanna there or at least putting up a Mature Adult™ front, he would have locked her down with a marriage.

Seemed more like he just gave up caring and let things run their course. No more sex. No more trips. No more co-op. The lowest effort possible.

 

[Sparkletor 2.0]

If DSP truly cared about keeping Leanna there or at least putting up a Mature Adult™ front, he would have locked her down with a marriage.

Seemed more like he just gave up caring and let things run their course. No more sex. No more trips. No more co-op. The lowest effort possible.

Leanna was a young women in her early 20's. What do young women want especially newlywed young women? A baby.

Phil doesn't want kids. "When are we going to have a baby, Waffle?" "We can't start a family until we're married! And we can't get married until I get out of debt! If something happened to me and we were married, you would be responsible for paying off all that debt, and I care for you too much to place that on your shoulders. See, we can't get married because I love you too much. Anyways, when's dinner ready?"

I would assume Leanna wanted a nice ring, a new dress, and a wedding with friends and family at a nice church with flowers and music and an actual reception and honeymoon.

Kat didn't really care if she got married or not. She was perfectly fine with an $80 ring from the mall, a thrift store dress, and a wedding performed by Phil's dad in his parents' living room.

 

[Tony Martin's Force Ghost]

I think Panda hammed it up because it was passive/aggressive but also out of boredom. We have to remember that from a young age Phil essentially spirited her away and love-bombed her at the age of 18. 18 - 25 is really important developmentally because you tend to really strengthen that identity and he kinda robbed her of it. It was Panda's best option but also the worst option, she bounced back and took ownership of her life. Phil is a REALLY boring person and I imagine it must have been insanity-inducing, she got a job to escape. It sounds like Panda met some work friends and digressed about her private life and they bolstered her to leave.

Kat moved in at 27 and if what the Subaru man said is true (he had no reason to lie) she's a golddigger like her sister lol. Panda in some way was likable because she would openly express what the audience wanted to say. She was also above average looking too which obviously helps. Kat's like a bizarro world reflection of Phil because she is a boring grifter too.

Leanne definitely wanted a child, she was from a pretty close family, that she talked to probably daily. In an old vlog she says she talks to her mom every day, she honestly just sounds like a sweet person tbh. I can somewhat sympathize with her but not having children was the beginning of the end for her. The hospital saga visit was the catalyst. We say Phil has roach luck but Panda is honestly the luckiest out of the Philverse. Thankfully he will never create a child and create some weird neglected mongoloid that will become a mirror image of its father.

 

[Iron Father]

If you follow Leanna on IG you can tell she doesn't want kids, or at least she mentions not wanting kids pretty regularly. Might be copium but she seems to really not want kids.

 

[Michael Janke]

If you follow Leanna on IG you can tell she doesn't want kids, or at least she mentions not wanting kids pretty regularly. Might be copium but she seems to really not want kids.

after babysitting and looking after phil for like 5 years, you'd hate children to.

 

[TheGoutburglar]

after babysitting and looking after phil for like 5 years, you'd hate children to.

Most normal people go through serious changes in their opinions throughout their lives, especially from age 17 to whatever Leanna is today. In her case, that is definitely going to be influenced heavily by having spent years with a person who is pretty fucking far from normal.

Though there is the factor of her awareness, today, of Phil's psychological situation. Like, does she take it into account and go "I should re-evaluate things independent of the contributions of such a mess of a person"? Don't know, but if she does, that changes things, because when you disregard someone in your past based on them being clinically a weirdo alien in a human suit, you tend to get some helpful perspective. You find your way back to who you are without such a crazy bastard mucking things up.

 

[Iron Father]

Most normal people go through serious changes in their opinions throughout their lives, especially from age 17 to whatever Leanna is today. In her case, that is definitely going to be influenced heavily by having spent years with a person who is pretty fucking far from normal.

Though there is the factor of her awareness, today, of Phil's psychological situation. Like, does she take it into account and go "I should re-evaluate things independent of the contributions of such a mess of a person"? Don't know, but if she does, that changes things, because when you disregard someone in your past based on them being clinically a weirdo alien in a human suit, you tend to get some helpful perspective. You find your way back to who you are without such a crazy bastard mucking things up.

This perspective is (I suspect inadvertently) giving way too much credit to Leanna. I doubt she'd be a totally different person if she could magically Thanos-snap away all of Phil's residual influences on her.

Although at times it must seem like I'm on the pro-Leanna side, I'm definitely not. Normal healthy people aren't attracted to soulless creatures like Philip Burnell. Leanna in the early days was also very obstinate and pig-headed, even though I think some leeway is deserved for having Phil's ways rub off on her, I think she and Phil also share a lot of personality traits that she likely still has.

She's also the right age to be a part of the whole "don't want no kids, give me a furbaby and muh chocolates" generation of women. She'll probably regret it when she's a lot older, but we regret all sorts of things regardless of how sincerely we believed, at the time, that what lead to these regrets were the right decisions. What I mean to say is, I doubt if she'd hooked up with a different man instead of Phil all those years ago, she'd have a litter of #NotAsian pandas running around.

 

[Iron Father]

Apologies for the double post. Wasn't sure if this has ever been posted but it gave me a good chuckle with the Girl Geek™ vibes.