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Not to mention the original Frasier, which notably had a Brit as the coarsest and most working-class character on the show.
Kelsey Grammer to return as Frasier in reboot of hit comedy - Actor is ‘gleefully anticipating’ the return of the comedy, which is being rebooted after 17 years
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Regarding David Hyde Pierce; the cynic in me wonders if DHP passed on the show in part because of what happened with Cynthia Nixon and tthe S&TC revival.
In that show, the writers felt pressured to make Nixon's character Miranda decide she was gay all along due the fact that the actress came out after S&TC ended. It basically backfired MASSIVELY and tainted AJLT to such a degree that the second season was largely damage controlling things while at the same time doubling down on the retcon and making no one happy.
I can see DHP seeing that and freaking out on coming back to Fraiser, since there would be societal pressure from the writers to have Niles reveal that he's gay and having left Daphne during the gap years. Even if the writers agreed NOT to retcon Niles gay to align with DHP's in real life sexuality, there would be a tone of pressure from the media on DHP to have Niles be retconned gay or at least bisexual and Daphne's actress and Grammer getting hate mail/hate spewed upon them for "not letting Niles be gay".
That being said, I did find it interesting that Niles wasn't mentioned outside a vague line about how Niles's son resembled him and how we never got a mention as to how Niles reacted to his dad's death or what he did to pay tribute to his father. We got reference to Bulldog singing at the funeral and "Daphne's toast" to Martin's memory and what he meant to her, but no reference to Niles and his dealing with/paying tribute to his father.
Which makes me wonder if if they are going to reveal Niles was killed by a vengeful Maris during the gap years and everyone's dancing around the subject for his son's sake.
In that show, the writers felt pressured to make Nixon's character Miranda decide she was gay all along due the fact that the actress came out after S&TC ended. It basically backfired MASSIVELY and tainted AJLT to such a degree that the second season was largely damage controlling things while at the same time doubling down on the retcon and making no one happy.
I can see DHP seeing that and freaking out on coming back to Fraiser, since there would be societal pressure from the writers to have Niles reveal that he's gay and having left Daphne during the gap years. Even if the writers agreed NOT to retcon Niles gay to align with DHP's in real life sexuality, there would be a tone of pressure from the media on DHP to have Niles be retconned gay or at least bisexual and Daphne's actress and Grammer getting hate mail/hate spewed upon them for "not letting Niles be gay".
That being said, I did find it interesting that Niles wasn't mentioned outside a vague line about how Niles's son resembled him and how we never got a mention as to how Niles reacted to his dad's death or what he did to pay tribute to his father. We got reference to Bulldog singing at the funeral and "Daphne's toast" to Martin's memory and what he meant to her, but no reference to Niles and his dealing with/paying tribute to his father.
Which makes me wonder if if they are going to reveal Niles was killed by a vengeful Maris during the gap years and everyone's dancing around the subject for his son's sake.
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to be fair they pulled that off before when frasier became his own thing (and arguably bigger) after cheers. but I doubt they could recreate it these days.
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I could see that being a reason, after all actors can't play characters anymore, they have to play themselves when, especially when it comes to gender or sexual identity. It would completely undermine 11 years of character development if they said, "you know how Niles spent years trying to be with Daphne? Well it turns out he ran off with Gil Chesterton as soon as Frasier left town."
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could be, but from what I've seen he simply doesn't want to play the character anymore and "values it too much" or something. that might imply he's aware of it and don't want to be reason for retards on the internet to sperg out.
still would leave it open for him to show up as guest and completely leave it open so no one gets triggered or whatever. similar to frasier when they brought back characters from cheers.
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Yeah, that was already a running gag on the old show with the food critic guy, so it's a recycled joke anyways.
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Honestly, I think that would be the death of the reboot.
Anyone making the complaint that Niles should be gay because DHP is gay isn't a fan of the original. You can't possibly have been a fan of the original and not have been rooting for Niles to get together with Daphne.
Basically, if Niles is gay, it spits in the eye of people who enjoyed the original. Ya know, the people you actually want watching this show? The ones who got the big ol' feels about John Mahoney?
You wanna rocket this show to an early grave? Go on ahead and make Niles gay, writers, I absolutely dare you.
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Night Court is still unironically one of my favorite shows, but I only watched the first 10 minutes of the first episode of the new series. It's the same thing, I just want to see Dan Fielding Dan Fieldinging all over the place but the other characters seemed irritating and they were doing the same thing as with Martin where they kept reminding you Harry Anderson was dead. He should have rebooted the John Larroquette show instead, that was dark in a way that would really work now.
Oh, also I was so surprised they went with an audience/laugh track thing for the new Frasier. I loved the episodes in the later seasons that had some scenes outside the studio, they were more film-like. The one where Frasier holds up traffic in a mall parking deck for an hour because he refuses to pay since he entered but didn't park is top 10. And they quieted down that laugh track a lot in the later seasons too, so the next logical step was to get rid of it and the multi-cam sitcom setup altogether.
In the write-up I did for a Frasier reboot like five years ago Lilith ended up becoming a lesbian dating a younger hippie chick who tries to mellow her out. She was a minor enough character that you could do a twist like that and make them a double-act. Making Niles gay would be terrible though, you're right. The arc of the show is so much more about him and Daphne than anything about Frasier.
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Glad they didn't bring Niles back. NCIS: LA brought back Catherine Bell and the dude from JAG for an episode just so they could tell all the fans of the old show that they broke up after a few years and didn't live happily ever after. Fuck you for being fans, faggots.
Tried watching the new show (Frasier not NCIS) and stopped when Freddie wouldn't stop being an asshole to his dad. Didn't go to grandpa's funeral, won't talk to his parents, then when Frasier shows up he can't push the guy out fast enough. I hate that shit in shows.
Tried watching the new show (Frasier not NCIS) and stopped when Freddie wouldn't stop being an asshole to his dad. Didn't go to grandpa's funeral, won't talk to his parents, then when Frasier shows up he can't push the guy out fast enough. I hate that shit in shows.
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I kind of wonder if this is a different form of issues that current year writers with the older generation.
They just can't let the older generation have any kind of happy endings. This character you like? Well he was always secretly an asshole and became miserable in his old age, and not only that, it's his fault. Nyah, nyah.
Truly, is there any rebooted character that has ever had a happy ending? Or have they been brought back for the memberberries and paraded in the streets like an old-style parade of humiliation?
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Yeah couldn't have said it better myself. Niles and Daphne should make a special appearance (Thanksgiving?) and it should involve Fraiser having a sibling rivalry again or I dunno Niles and Daphne are having some marital tiff and Fraiser tries to help them and sitcom hijinks happen.
As for the show itself, I dunno even though it's not anywhere near the OG show I'm just kinda happy to have a stupid happy sitcom again. Like Hollywood seriously doesn't make comedy anymore. And I just like Kelsey Grammar so I hope this goes for 5 or 7 seasons or whenever Kelsey says "Yeah I'm retired."
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Kelsey Grammer gave me the creeps, even way back on Cheers. That said, the reboot is just as dumb as the original. Frasier is still a self obsessed twat, and his son is supposed to be filling the shoes of John Mahoney, which is a tall order.
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Not sure about the details, but his sister was raped and murdered and his father was murdered in separate incidents. Every decade or so he has to go before a parole board and beg the state to keep the killers behind bars. It's no wonder Kelsey is a republican, and it's no wonder he had a substance problem.
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I'm surprised no one posted the legendary greentext.
I want to believe this greeentext is based on a true story. It's utterly charming to think a turboautist reinvented himself and has duped his community into think he's an eclectic genius by patterning himself off a sitcom character.
And to that autist if he exists I hope he's so happy being able to indulge in new episodes.
I want to believe this greeentext is based on a true story. It's utterly charming to think a turboautist reinvented himself and has duped his community into think he's an eclectic genius by patterning himself off a sitcom character.
And to that autist if he exists I hope he's so happy being able to indulge in new episodes.
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Was there any good reason for that or just that he decided to drop out of college and Frasier didn't approve? It didn't sound like Fraiser cut him out of his life over it, so is it just that Freddy stopped talking to his father because he couldn't face him to defend his own decision? What a douchey kid.
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LUL
but then even the boomercore main series only got more woke over time, so it probably was inevitable.
the writers probably came from happy middle-class families or single mom households, so I wouldn't expect then to write a father-son relationship that isn't retarded if their lives depended on it.
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The second episode touches on it (along with continuing the running gag where the Crane men pretend their dad is dead/working a different profession).
Freddy was struggling at college and the expectations being forced upon him by everyone at Harvard due to him being the son of a famous psychiatrist. He started sneaking out and hanging out in blue collar bars and with the local townies who didn't know who he was (resulting in him lying about his father being blue collar since he didn't want them to know he came from an upper class background or that his dad was a famous psychiatrist) and took an interest in being a firefighter, culminating in him dropping out of college and becoming one.
Sadly, when his fellow coworkers meet Fraiser, they start comparing notes and realise that Freddy gave conflicting stories about what his dad did for a living and after Fraiser realised yet another parallel between himself and his son and himself and his father, Fraiser saved Freddy's butt by claiming that Freddy gave conflicting stories about his dad because Lilith was a whore who fucked so many different men that she didn't know who Freddy's father was (and Freddy's stories about his dad were based upon the ones Lilith narrowed down the list to plus Fraiser) and that Fraiser only recently did a DNA test to "discover" that Freddy was his long lost son conceived with said slut mom.
For what it's worth Nu-Night Court is pretty good IMHO for a couple of reasons:
1. Melissa Ranch is a good actress and she has really good chemistry with John Larroquette
2. The show doesn't have the mass trainwreck casting issue that the original Night Court had where it took three seasons before we got the iconic cast
3. The evolution of Dan Fielding works well and avoids having the show shit upon Dan for being a Trump loving yuppie scum womanizer.
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You know, I had watched the second episode and that additional background still didn't really click for me as a reason to stiff-arm your father so badly though. Child of divorce, he barely ever saw him anyway, maybe it's different when you don't grow up with your father. That bar scene was pretty good Frasier farce, but I wish he had someone else to work off of, that stuff only works when there's pacing and chemistry. Your Night Court point applies here, maybe the cast just isn't right or hasn't gelled yet, but shows don't really get three seasons to figure it out anymore.
I'm definitely checking out Night Court again on your rec - I was leery of how they'd do Dan's character so I didn't want to get too invested. In the first season he was more of a snooty Frasier type than a hornball. Wow, that show really got given a lot of time to figure itself out.
You know, I had watched the second episode and that additional background still didn't really click for me as a reason to stiff-arm your father so badly though. Child of divorce, he barely ever saw him anyway, maybe it's different when you don't grow up with your father. That bar scene was pretty good Frasier farce, but I wish he had someone else to work off of, that stuff only works when there's pacing and chemistry. Your Night Court point applies here, maybe the cast just isn't right or hasn't gelled yet, but shows don't really get three seasons to figure it out anymore.
I'm definitely checking out Night Court again on your rec - I was leery of how they'd do Dan's character so I didn't want to get too invested. In the first season he was more of a snooty Frasier type than a hornball. Wow, that show really got given a lot of time to figure itself out.