Lolcow Leonard F. Shaner II - Discussion Edition and Now With Less Autism (see the OP)

[1d4]

so, do we have any sort of consensus on what we're going to be naming the second thread, since it's closing in on 700 right now? also, how will we celebrate len's inevitable passing of holden, since obviously that is no small feat

 

[Frank Rizzo]

so, do we have any sort of consensus on what we're going to be naming the second thread, since it's closing in on 700 right now? also, how will we celebrate len's inevitable passing of holden, since obviously that is no small feat

Usually, mods close threads after 1000 pages, not 700.

 

[chimpburgers]

so, do we have any sort of consensus on what we're going to be naming the second thread, since it's closing in on 700 right now? also, how will we celebrate len's inevitable passing of holden, since obviously that is no small feat

My original title for the second thread was Leonard F. Shaner II: Shitposts on a Train Edition.

People in chat had other titles that I considered. I'm waiting until the thread gets up to 1000 pages for me to bring it back.

 

[1d4]

Usually, mods close threads after 1000 pages, not 700.

i'm aware

 

[Pocket_Sand!]

I have to admit, the silence in this thread is deafening, not to mention that theres actual conversation and discussion taking place here.

Once again, a big thanks to @Zim and @Pocket_Sand! for all theyve been able to contribute to this wild ride so far.

But onto a couple of nagging questions ive had since i caught a glimpse of it being mentioned in the main topic. If what i saw was accurate, you said that the picture of your truck pre-dates the main thread by a fair bit of time. Thats mildly concerning, to say the least. Has he made any threats against you or your wife, past his sperging on the forums?

And more importantly, how serious was the discussion of people going to Ice House for breakfast or lunch after the hearing? Because if its going to happen, i'll see if i can get a gift card or certificate or something that you can pick up while there.

Yes, to the question about my truck. I only had those tires in the back of it for about 3 days around the 12th of May or so. Almost a full month before the thread started. It really just confirmed what I'd suspected for a while, so I called the troopers on him, which seems to have rustled his jimmies a bit. He (his privet investigator persona) has been calling my wife's place of employment asking about me, this too is being dealt with. I'm taking @Saul Goodman and @DuckbilledPlaty advice, and not doing anything that could get me sent to jail, because quite simply, he's not worth it. Besides, it's a lot funnier knowing he'll have to deal with actual criminals when he goes to jail.

This interests me. All I know about driving a steam train comes from a half-remembered episode of Top Gear, so if you would be so kind: How hard is it to conduct a steam train/any train? Could Lenny have fucked it up? Is he really trying to use a thing that allegedly happened 25 years ago to prove he's instrumental to the Colebrookdale?

I know you said you avoided him at Colebrookdale, but do you have any stories to share, or was it more of a general "this guy's annoying and awkward" deal?

E: What's Lenny like when he gets mad? Does he chimp out or just silently fume?

1. Engineering a train in general isn't terribly hard, but you have to know what you're doing, Lennay doesn't know. It's very common in the RR world to run a freight train on a short line, and just dub the line all "yard." In yard movements don't have to be done by a licensed engineer, there are guys who do nothing but this job for the big class 1 lines, they're called hostlers. Just like operating any other piece of large machinery, you can only get good at it if you actually do it. Lennay has a very over inflated opinion of himself, and firmly believes that he shouldn't have to do any of the work leading up to being an engineer. That said, the idea that anyone would let some random foamer run a train that big, loaded to the gills with passengers, on a challenging line like the CRR is absolutely insane, even back then, the liability would have been colossal. An FRA official catching that shit happen, in a steamer no less, would immediately shut down the entire train while things got sorted out, and every single member of the train crew had their credentials run. An engineer who did that would lose his license (obviously letting some kid move the throttle to notch one and move it 5 feet with the brakes on is OK, it's not legal, but no one is going to give you shit for that).

Numerous hours of class time (this can range from a few days to several weeks at the RR's discretion).

A set number of hours of supervised operations (The RR in question determines this).

At least one check run with the RR's DSLE (designated supervisor of locomotive engineers) on board.

And most important, being a conductor for a few years before hand. The engineer just makes the train move, which is a tough job, don't get me wrong, lots can go wrong with a couple million pounds of steel moving along at 55 mph, but the conductor hooks up the cars, controls when the train moves, how far, how fast, and checks all conditions around for safety. The conductor is in charge of the train, and because of that, being a conductor on the ground, gives you a good idea of what to do up in the cab, once you get to that level. In railroading, when you want to be an engineer, being a conductor for a few years is the best way to learn both jobs and be a good engineer when you get to that cab. Shaner has never done any of this at all, ever. But to answer the question, yes, he thinks by lying about something that didn't happen 25 years ago, we should have just let him run whatever he wanted.

2. More just really annoying and awkward. It's awfully frustrating doing the bulk of the heavy lifting, hammering, welding, etc. while listening to someone tell me I wasn't doing enough to help out. Especially when that guy is standing around with a fucking camera, not doing shit, because something is always wrong with his back, or his foot, or what ever the fuck seemed to be ailing him that week. Then, if it was something he actually wanted to do, he magically got better. I made it a policy to not let him know when work crews were going out, because he slowed things down, and got butt hurt when I wouldn't let him drive the high rail truck. The other track gang crews did this too.

3. I've never actually seen Lennay get full chimp mad. When he wants to make a point about how he knows better than you, he always has a "friend" who does it for a living and does it way better than you, there for, Lennay knows better than you too. If you call him on this, he'll raise his voice and say "Don't argue with me! I have a friend who does this!" When you ask who this friend is, he'll look at the ground, shuffle the rocks around and mumble something, then when you don't hear, he'll say it in a louder voice to make sure not to argue with him.

He raised his voice to me once. I was moving cars in the yard with our little yellow switcher up to the north end of the line to get them out of the way of some incoming freight. Lennay flagged the crossing for us (no signals, just a crossing sign) and I left him there to flag when we came back through. When we got back to the yard, Len yelled at me for leaving a crew member behind (road flaggers are not train crew unless specifically stated as such) and told me that he was going to have me written up for it. I told him in a calm, even tone that he wasn't a member of the train crew, and all we were doing was leaving two hoppers on the north end (about 200 yards from the crossing he flagged), we didn't need a bunch of people going a long. More people means more potential for someone getting hurt. He then yelled that I didn't have my license, and I shouldn't be running it anyway (I do have my hostlers card, and a light locomotive card) and that he was going to report me to the FRA. I told him if he ever raised his voice to me again, I'd break him in half, and shoved him off the locomotive.

 

[crayolasword]

@Pocket_Sand! how much different is he IRL as compared to his online persona? Is he as big of an asshole as he comes off as online?

 

[Pocket_Sand!]

@Pocket_Sand! how much different is he IRL as compared to his online persona? Is he as big of an asshole as he comes off as online?

Yes and no, he's a know it all prick and he likes telling everyone around him how they're doing their job wrong (@Gook Choy could probably also elaborate on this).

Lennay is an internet bad ass, he'll yell and scream online about how he'll punch someone, and how he'll fuck them up, but he's really squishy in real life, and is, I think, aware that he wouldn't last long in a fight. He projects as much asshole as he thinks he can get away with, then when things get slightly heated, most of the time, he'll change the subject, or knuckle under and turn away. Then he'll talk shit behind your back, about everyone to everyone else. He really is the worst person I've ever encountered in my life, useless on all fronts, a welfare leach, huge unjustified ego, and major shit disturber online and IRL.

 

[chimpburgers]

Does Lennay try putting on a different voice when he makes these phone calls with his other personas, like with that recent call you mentioned?

 

[Pocket_Sand!]

Does Lennay try putting on a different voice when he makes these phone calls with his other personas, like with that recent call you mentioned?

He does, but there is someone else helping him because according to my wife the voices were all different, though I don't know who ti could be. He wont call me, he'll harass people who have no idea what's going on, or people he thinks are part of the Lenspiracy (my brother in law seems to be his current target),

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Hey @Pocket_Sand!, has Shaner ever do something like threaten to kill or injure someone? Or even actually hurt someone?

 

[chimpburgers]

He does, but there is someone else helping him because according to my wife the voices were all different, though I don't know who ti could be. He wont call me, he'll harass people who have no idea what's going on, or people he thinks are part of the Lenspiracy (my brother in law seems to be his current target),

I'd actually like to hear some of those and see if any of them sound like Kaufman if you got any way to record them and post them somewhere.

 

[sonichuis44]

He raised his voice to me once. I was moving cars in the yard with our little yellow switcher up to the north end of the line to get them out of the way of some incoming freight. Lennay flagged the crossing for us (no signals, just a crossing sign) and I left him there to flag when we came back through. When we got back to the yard, Len yelled at me for leaving a crew member behind (road flaggers are not train crew unless specifically stated as such) and told me that he was going to have me written up for it. I told him in a calm, even tone that he wasn't a member of the train crew, and all we were doing was leaving two hoppers on the north end (about 200 yards from the crossing he flagged), we didn't need a bunch of people going a long. More people means more potential for someone getting hurt. He then yelled that I didn't have my license, and I shouldn't be running it anyway (I do have my hostlers card, and a light locomotive card) and that he was going to report me to the FRA. I told him if he ever raised his voice to me again, I'd break him in half, and shoved him off the locomotive.

Wait, wait, wait. So you left him at a street crossing to warn everyone that a train was coming through, didn't stop the thing you were driving to pick him up on the way back, and he got so mad that he had to walk that he threatened to report you to the train police?

Also, there's a difference between an engineer and a conductor?

 

[2003]

This probably isn't neccessary, but @Pocket_Sand I will reiterate Saul's advice and tell you please don't do anything that could get you in trouble to Len. Not only is he not worth it, but even if he gets out of these charges with a slap on the wrist, remember that part of his punishment is that he has to continue being Len. And let's face facts, not even Len wants to be Len, his life is miserable and pathetic and deep down he knows that.

 

[Pocket_Sand!]

Hey @Pocket_Sand!, has Shaner ever do something like threaten to kill or injure someone? Or even actually hurt someone?

Oh he has, as his FB socks. Never to anyone's face that I am aware of, the only time he did, he got crashed in the head by a lantern.

I'd actually like to hear some of those and see if any of them sound like Kaufman if you got any way to record them and post them somewhere.

My wife's work doesn't have recorders, only caller ID, and they were using a restricted number, the police said maybe a Trac Phone???

Wait, wait, wait. So you left him at a street crossing to warn everyone that a train was coming through, didn't stop the thing you were driving to pick him up on the way back, and he got so mad that he had to walk that he threatened to report you to the train police?

Also, there's a difference between an engineer and a conductor?

To your first, yes, and no. We were heading north to drop a couple cars. We had to cross a street to get there, he flagged it. He was pissed I didn't take him to the north end with me. Once we were back across we were in the yard, the whole move was maybe 500 yards total. Out of the yard, across the street, and back to the yard. And he yelled at me about it.

Yes, there is a huge difference between them, the engineer just drives, he controls how the train moves, acceleration, braking, bell, horn, that type of thing. The engineer generally doesn't leave the cab unless absolutely necessary.

The conductor is the boss of the train, he "makes the train up" by coupling specific cars to the train in a certain order according to their destination. He also controls the movement of the train while he is on the ground, signalling the engineer when to move, how far to move, when to stop, etc. The conductor also throws switches to move the train from one set of tracks to the other, and he has to keep all the paper work for the trip.

The engineer is the senior position, but the conductor has more responsibility. It is most conductors goals to become an engineer eventually, the job is easier on your body, and the pay is better.

Edit: @2003 I agree, I want to destroy him, but if he actually goes to jail, he'll be up in Berks County with actual criminals which is just hilarious to imagine.

I'll just keep taunting him here, calling the cops when he harasses my wife, and watch him dig his hole a little deeper every day.

 

[QT 219]

My original title for the second thread was Leonard F. Shaner II: Shitposts on a Train Edition.

People in chat had other titles that I considered. I'm waiting until the thread gets up to 1000 pages for me to bring it back.

Len Shaner II: Loco Motives

Yes and no, he's a know it all prick and he likes telling everyone around him how they're doing their job wrong (@Gook Choy could probably also elaborate on this).

Lennay is an internet bad ass, he'll yell and scream online about how he'll punch someone, and how he'll fuck them up, but he's really squishy in real life, and is, I think, aware that he wouldn't last long in a fight. He projects as much asshole as he thinks he can get away with, then when things get slightly heated, most of the time, he'll change the subject, or knuckle under and turn away. Then he'll talk shit behind your back, about everyone to everyone else. He really is the worst person I've ever encountered in my life, useless on all fronts, a welfare leach, huge unjustified ego, and major shit disturber online and IRL.

This is just about as perfect as a summation you can get about Len as a person. He's incredibly one-dimensional and naive to an unbelievable degree. He's a fat idiot who is a danger to himself and others. I doubt jail will be any sort of "wake-up call" as his autistic deviancy has had 50-plus years to petrify his diabetic brain but there is a smug satisfaction in watching him be forced to take responsibility for his shit behavior, especially since he was essentially raised by feral dogs.

 

[Adamska]

so, do we have any sort of consensus on what we're going to be naming the second thread, since it's closing in on 700 right now? also, how will we celebrate len's inevitable passing of holden, since obviously that is no small feat

Len Shaner II: Judgement Day

This is just about as perfect as a summation you can get about Len as a person. He's incredibly one-dimensional and naive to an unbelievable degree. He's a fat idiot who is a danger to himself and others. I doubt jail will be any sort of "wake-up call" as his autistic deviancy has had 50-plus years to petrify his diabetic brain but there is a smug satisfaction in watching him be forced to take responsibility for his shit behavior, especially since he was essentially raised by feral dogs.

Oh exactly this. He's never going to learn not to fuck with other people like he's doing right now, so he'll continue to do this until he's locked up for good or dies from his poor life decisions.

 

[TM Ambrose]

Len Shaner II: Judgement Day

Len Shaner II: Revealations (mispelled on purpose)

Oh exactly this. He's never going to learn not to fuck with other people like he's doing right now, so he'll continue to do this until he's locked up for good or dies from his poor life decisions.

He'll probably end up in some form of custody that would prevent him from fucking with people and keeping him from being killed ( by himself or others)

 

[JSGOTI]

Almost a full month before the thread started.

Talk about putting the crazy on overdrive, and definitely good reason for a restraining order or at least making the powers that be aware of the stalking and harassment(which you have)

 

[Kirby]

So I've started to write a small part of the Wiki article and I'm currently at the education section, so I just want to take some time and go through some of these facts and what you all might possibly think about them.

Shaner's linkedin page says that he went to High School from 1982 to 1989, which would mean he spent 7 years in High School before POSSIBLY even graduating, but then it also says that from 1986-1989 that he went to a vocational high school (not a vocational college, a vocational high school) which is likely where he got his horticulture "degree" from.

Now I'd just like to discuss some of your opinions and possible theories that could explain these years in question.

Do you think I'm overthinking things and that this is just a classic case of Len being stupid and messing up the years, or do you think it's possible that those years are actually accurate? All things considered, I would find it hard to believe that even in special education that Len could pass high school in 4 years.

It wouldn't surprise me that if because he wasn't able to graduate in 4 years from 1982-1986 that his parents would enroll him into a technical school so he could at least enter the workforce. Or perhaps the two schools worked out a deal to allow course credit to transfer between the two.

Anyway, what do you all think?

 

[Adamska]

So I've started to write a small part of the Wiki article and I'm currently at the education section, so I just want to take some time and go through some of these facts and what you all might possibly think about them.

Shaner's linkedin page says that he went to High School from 1982 to 1989, which would mean he spent 7 years in High School before POSSIBLY even graduating, but then it also says that from 1986-1989 that he went to a vocational high school (not a vocational college, a vocational high school) which is likely where he got his horticulture "degree" from.

Now I'd just like to discuss some of your opinions and possible theories that could explain these years in question.

Do you think I'm overthinking things and that this is just a classic case of Len being stupid and messing up the years, or do you think it's possible that those years are actually accurate? All things considered, I would find it hard to believe that even in special education that Len could pass high school in 4 years.

It wouldn't surprise me that if because he wasn't able to graduate in 4 years from 1982-1986 that his parents would enroll him into a technical school so he could at least enter the workforce. Or perhaps the two schools worked out a deal to allow course credit to transfer between the two.

Anyway, what do you all think?

He said that finished his education at 20, so he at minimum was held back twice. That is too pathetic for me to think he lied about it since he'd be optimizing himself otherwise, so it seems possible that he took 7 years to pass/fail. So him regularly flailing until they try shoving him into horticulture seems pretty accurate.