Lolcow Leonard F. Shaner Jr. - Autistic Pedophile / Foamer / Shitlord

[Doctor Professor Timon]

The only reason you want to obtain a copy of the transcript is to see how badly you lied while under oath. Your not fooling anyone. And by obtaining the copy, then you can go over it and make sure you don't lie over the same subjects. But it isn't going to work, because you already purged your selves at the first Hearing on the 10Th.

Well, fact is, we can't lie under oath if we are the oath. We're the judge, we're the prosecution... we are the kiwis. And we're watching you.

 

[Optimus Prime]

The only reason you want to obtain a copy of the transcript is to see how badly you lied while under oath. Your not fooling anyone. And by obtaining the copy, then you can go over it and make sure you don't lie over the same subjects. But it isn't going to work, because you already purged your selves at the first Hearing on the 10Th.

You do realize that if anybody here actually was at the trial, we wouldn't need the transcript in the first place, right?

 

[PropaneAccesories]

The other reason I want that transcript so bad is that maybe it would be enough of a go-ahead for @PropaneAccesories (err, I mean "me") to drop the infobomb he's been sitting on.

Don't count on it, unfortunately. It would be nice to see what really happened during the hearing, but I probably still won't be able to release the stuff I have until certain people involved with the case say I can. I'll send you some info in a PM - just don't want you to spend money for nothing.

 

[#ZeroPointEnergy2084.]

Don't count on it, unfortunately. It would be nice to see what really happened during the hearing, but I probably still won't be able to release the stuff I have until certain people involved with the case say I can. I'll send you some info in a PM - just don't want you to spend money for nothing.

How about you quit fucking around and just let loose with what you have?

How`s it going to hurt anyone but Len boi?

Sad news for you Nuts, The transcripts are LOCKED, Sealed! At our request. Sorry to put a damper on your fun.

I see your new name is ..... Porky Pants Pooper

 

[GREEDY FIREMAN]

How about you quit fucking around and just let loose with what you have?

How`s it going to hurt anyone but Len boi?

Because maybe the people involved want to surprise Len. Look on the bright side: when Len is caught off guard the reaction will be priceless!

 

[DogshitTaco]

How about you quit fucking around and just let loose with what you have?

How`s it going to hurt anyone but Len boi?

I have faith in Propane and trust his judgment on this. He's delivered us a shit ton of goodies in the past and if he's holding on to something, I assume with certainty it's probably for a damn good reason. Let's have patience man. If anything, we know we have more content to look forward to in the future.

 

[GREEDY FIREMAN]

I have faith in Propane and trust his judgment on this. He's delivered us a shit ton of goodies in the past and if he's holding on to something, I assume with certainty it's probably for a damn good reason. Let's have patience man. If anything, we know we have more content to look forward to in the future.

Good things come to those who wait.

 

[DogshitTaco]

Good things come to those who wait.

Precisely. Also when the well runs dry for content, it'll be a shitty day. It's actually awesome knowing there's still stuff cooking on the back burners.

 

[clever nickname]

Several things related to transcripts. I am not a resident of Montgomery County so they may have some subtle differences, but most things are common in PA.

Not everything gets a steno, including anything that happened prior the 30th, but I thought I read that Len's side waived the reading of the charges (which is common) so I wouldn't expect anything from that. For the first thing Len had, that preliminary thing, stenos are not provided as part of that process. Either the DA or the defense can request one, but they have to pay for the steno's services. They typically only do this if they are hoping to trip up some witness later with a, "But before didn't you say???" I am not aware that a steno was requested at the first proceeding.

From here on out a steno is mostly going to be part of any court action. There is one optional thing, and this varies by judge. If there are arguments before the court without any sworn testimony, just the lawyers arguing their interpretation of something, some judges skip having a steno. Chances are these things aren't going to be terribly interesting for us, but just letting you guys know.

Everything is done as part of the court record and everything that is part of the court record is open to the public (see my earlier post about suppression, but there's no like secret wire tap or undercover FBI agent here, it will all be public). Anyone can request a copy of the transcript. The requestor's information is recorded as part of the record. This is important because if one party was to file an appeal and cite the transcript then they must have obtained an original copy from the court. This is where the sort of quasi copyright comes up. Lawyers cannot file a motion or an appeal based on transcripts obtained second hand. So, you can share the transcript, but the shared transcript cannot be an official transcript because someone could have altered it. We all know a single firm may get a copy and share it internally, but because the firm got a copy then anyone in the firm can file an appeal.

It is also of note that you pay per page of the transcript. Now, there are other things to note about the cost. In PA they have gone to a system where four pages of record can be printed on a single page. This saves you money, but plan to enlarge this later if no longer have young eyes. Also, the first person to request a transcript pays more than anyone else to follow. I forget the general costs and whatever I know isn't for the same county, so quoting anything would just be a ball park kind of thing. So, if you think Hy is going to request a copy so he can appeal, you may want to get in line behind him to save a few bucks.

Something regarding the timing of the transcripts is the time it can take to generate the printed copy can vary. This can be delayed if the steno pool has a lot of people out on maternity leave and they have to cover bigger cases, they won't get around to transcribing their less important stuff until later. Also, there is a thing, and I forget the specific terms, but one is "lodged" and the other is "filed". One is done when the steno finishes their transcript and the other follows after the judge signs the transcript to make it official. Elsewhere in PA judges have 5 days from when the transcript is sent to them to sign it and make it official, but they can have vacations and other absences, too. So I can't say that if the trial is done on Tuesday you can expect to get the transcript on any day that week or the following Tuesday or the Tuesday after that.

There is no audio recording made as part of any regular court record. You've seen on TV where the steno reads back prior testimony because there is no audio recording done.

Edited for spelling and I had left word out

 

[AnOminous]

The only reason you want to obtain a copy of the transcript is to see how badly you lied while under oath. Your not fooling anyone. And by obtaining the copy, then you can go over it and make sure you don't lie over the same subjects. But it isn't going to work, because you already purged your selves at the first Hearing on the 10Th.

Congratulations, Len. You were looking at a slap on the wrist at worst for your trespassing and other crimes.

If you choose to pursue this crazy behavior and piss off the judge, though, in what should be an open and shut trespassing case, you could earn yourself some happy fun time in the hoosegow.

You stupid fat fuck.

 

[Wally Balljacker]

@clever nickname, thanks for the info.

I understand these things take a little time, which is why I my plan was to call this office when they're open on Monday to find out if I can request that particular transcript. If not, then I suppose I'd have to wait.

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For those that don't know, stenographers don't use a regular QWERTY keyboard for these things. A Stenotype only uses the letters necessary for the sounds in words, which are then later transcribed back into English. This is why they are capable of astronomical typing speeds, because they're essentially using an electronic version of reporter's shorthand. There is a possibility that the records aren't available to request a copy of for a minor trial that happened only three days ago, especially when there's priority for more important cases, like the murder trial happening on the same day.

 

[AnOminous]

It is also of note that you pay per page of the transcript.

An important note, though, is that this is for hearings that are already transcribed. Most of what is recorded never ends up transcribed. If you are the first person to request a transcript, you pay whoever does the transcription, and they generally charge by the line or, sometimes, by the keystroke.

Everyone subsequent just pays for a copy.

For those that don't know, stenographers don't use a regular QWERTY keyboard for these things. A Stenotype only uses the letters necessary for the sounds in words, which are then later transcribed back into English. This is why they are capable of astronomical typing speeds, because they're essentially using an electronic version of reporter's shorthand. There is a possibility that the records aren't available to request a copy of for a minor trial that happened only three days ago, especially when there's priority for more important cases, like the murder trial happening on the same day.

The actual court reporter using a steno machine is a dying breed. For one thing, the very few people skilled enough to do this often get paid more than the lawyers.

Very often, people are just transcribing from a recording using a Dictaphone style foot pedal.

 

[GREEDY FIREMAN]

I would like to suggest a new avatar for Lenny:

 

[clever nickname]

For those that don't know, stenographers don't use a regular QWERTY keyboard for these things. A Stenotype only uses the letters necessary for the sounds in words, which are then later transcribed back into English. This is why they are capable of astronomical typing speeds, because they're essentially using an electronic version of reporter's shorthand. There is a possibility that the records aren't available to request a copy of for a minor trial that happened only three days ago, especially when there's priority for more important cases, like the murder trial happening on the same day.

And another interesting fact is that each steno varies in their own shorthand. They abbreviate common phrases and things in ways that are meaningful to them, again to keep up with the pace of dialog, though I have seen them yell at people to stop, slow down, and more often SPEAK UP.

Off topic: anyone remember some hidden camera show, likely Allen Funt, where they had people testifying about someone they saw do something, and the person they describe is the steno? Ah, the 80s, good times.

 

[Detahramet]

The only reason you want to obtain a copy of the transcript is to see how badly you lied while under oath. Your not fooling anyone. And by obtaining the copy, then you can go over it and make sure you don't lie over the same subjects. But it isn't going to work, because you already purged your selves at the first Hearing on the 10Th.

It's funny, you think we're doing this for any other reason than to laugh at you.

 

[Wally Balljacker]

And another interesting fact is that each steno varies in their own shorthand. They abbreviate common phrases and things in ways that are meaningful to them, again to keep up with the pace of dialog, though I have seen them yell at people to stop, slow down, and more often SPEAK UP.

I know a guy who used to be a forensic serologist (now retired), and oftentimes when he was on the stand as an expert witness he felt the need to have to spell out complicated terms for the sake of the stenographers, as those minimalist keyboards have a hard time keeping up with complex words or names.

 

[LiveFromNS]

The primary goal is to find out more information regarding the 30th, as most of it is speculation and hearsay. The August 10th date is more of a "If I can, I will" thing. I don't make it a hobby obtaining court records every time a lolcow butts heads with the law.

I thinkn the August 10th is the one to get, given what occured. I asked @AnOminous if he thought that Rule 600 waiver was what Len signed. Most likely if it was, that was prob all that happened. And quite possible with the reference to the Sept 28, it may even be possible that Len filed that waiver on 28th and the need to appear on the 30th was no longer required. Unsure, just speculating. Also I am unsure if the Aug date was in the same Mont County district, ie governed by the same rules and procedures of law.

There is a possibility that the records aren't available to request a copy of for a minor trial that happened only three days ago, especially when there's priority for more important cases, like the murder trial happening on the same day.

Yes, in fact I am pretty sure the murderer appeared on Len's Aug 10th date as well.

Again, being in Canada, shit is different. Everything is recorded for the purposes of possible future appeals. Case Management calls with the judge are even recorded unless judge says its off the record. But every court appearance is recorded now. I'd be very surprised if nothing was taken down on either date.

Media here usually tries to get a pub ban lifted if judge imposes one for a high profile or sensitive trial. If something is confidential or a party requests an Order sealing, which must have merit, the judge can order it sealed, redacted etc.

In any event, I highly doubt that the judge would grant a sealing order in this situation. First of all it is a matter of public interest. I am sure the good people of Pottstown, PA, where Leonard F. Shaner, Jr. resides and acts irresponsibly, threatening the safety of its' residents, would want to know that there is a frothing, autistic, train freak running around attempting to derail trains. Who shits his diapers and fucks pillows and breaks children's toys.

Secondly, someone would have made the request to the judge. I doubt the prosecution would. And Len is too stupid and obtuse to know to review the Rules of Court prior to appearing before a judge. And even if he did know, what would his argument be? "Mr. Judge, please don't tell the Kiwis anything!"

He most likely waived pursuant to Rule 600 and was simply too dumb to request an Order sealing.

 

[cumrobbery]

Public Oratory Skills

Public

Gas Station

Fedsmoker would kick Len's ass

 

[VLAD]

Fedsmoker would kick Len's ass

Fedsmoker would kick every other lolcow's ass.

 

[LiveFromNS]

Sorry, too stoned to be on here. i deleted it and posted where it should go.
But yeah, Len/Fed encounter on vid would be sweet! Sorry everyone.