Lolcow Leonard F. Shaner Jr. - Autistic Pedophile / Foamer / Shitlord

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dollarhuviya said:
I tried doing some searching on this and I don't think the answer is so clear cut. What I kept finding was that reporter transcripts aren't subjected to copyright. I also couldn't find anything that said outright that you can or cannot post so and so from a transcript online.
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Did I miss something? I thought this was all public record. How can a copyright exist for public record?
 
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Ok, after 8 hours of legal work to make money today, I just finished an hour or so of delving into PA law and stuff. Doing it pro bono for the Puffertons!

Montgomery County has "Right to Know" and Open Records legislation:

http://www.montcopa.org/index.aspx?NID=1422

Open Records contact/form:

http://www.montcopa.org/FormCenter/Open-Records-Requests-16/Open-Records-Request-Form-85
http://www.montcopa.org/DocumentCenter/View/4076

Again, I found nothing about audio so these laws looked good as potential to obtain audio if court denies.

But then I came across this opinion where a murderer tried to get audio of his hearing from the Mont County Court Reporter:

http://www.montgomerybar.org/assets/opinions/2009/OP08202009-301.pdf

He referred to Right-to-Know Act as basis. He was denied and lost on appeal. So unless this decision has been ignored or a negative opinion has since been released, it may be audio is out of question.

And here is bulletin about .25 cents a page. Again no mention of audio access.

http://www.pabulletin.com/secure/data/vol39/39-11/462.html

Thats all for legal work tonite.
 
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sugoi-chan said:
Aren't there restrictions on what you can do with a transcript? As in, not post it to a forum?
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That's somewhat tricky. After all, the audio is, itself, the "official" record in many if not all jurisdictions. The transcript is, in theory, copyrighted, even though someone could create an identical transcript from the audio and own that.

However, what really concerns most of the people who do these things is getting money for it. So if you buy the actual transcript from them and then publish it, watermark it in some way so that it is not a substitute for ordering it from them.

This serves two purposes. First, you aren't making it cheaper for the scumbag Len to take the transcript to an appeal. He'll have to order his own copy. But most importantly, in terms of not pissing off the court reporter company, is you aren't depriving them of income.

And if you just get the audio and transcribe it yourself, then of course there are no IP issues, and your totally unofficial transcript won't substitute for the official version. Anyone wanting to use it in court will still have to order from the court reporter company.

So that's really the issue. Don't screw the court reporter company out of money and nobody will have a problem.

Gook Choy said:
Did I miss something? I thought this was all public record. How can a copyright exist for public record?
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The audio is the actual "record." That's not copyrighted. But the transcript, created for convenience, is theoretically copyrighted by whoever made it. So if you transcribe it yourself, then you would own the copyright on that particular transcript in your format.

dollarhuviya said:
I tried doing some searching on this and I don't think the answer is so clear cut. What I kept finding was that reporter transcripts aren't subjected to copyright. I also couldn't find anything that said outright that you can or cannot post so and so from a transcript online.
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You will often see notices on transcripts that make statements indicating they can't be duplicated or sold. The actual legal weight these have isn't all that clear, really.

I think it's questionable whether transcripts of public record proceedings are really copyrightable, but so far as I know, there's no clear resolution of the legal issue yet.
 
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Subconcious Offense said:
How about just YouTube the whole audio and let us interpret it for ourselves? Then you aren't even dealing with transcripts, let alone their copyrights.
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It might not be possible to get the audio, though. While it would be preferable, it's not necessarily available, while the transcript definitely will be.

Personally, I would recommend asking if the audio is available, but don't be surprised if it isn't.
 
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Well that was an explosion of information. You guys rock.

I almost regret stepping out of the thread to make dinner, but I'm no where near comfortable enough with my pressure cooker to leave it unattended. Y'all understand.

sugoi-chan said:
Aren't there restrictions on what you can do with a transcript? As in, not post it to a forum?
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dollarhuviya said:
I tried doing some searching on this and I don't think the answer is so clear cut. What I kept finding was that reporter transcripts aren't subjected to copyright. I also couldn't find anything that said outright that you can or cannot post so and so from a transcript online.
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I'm sure summarizing or paraphrasing isn't out of the question. If need be, I can probably ask someone to do a reading if they want. I'd feed it through my text-to-speech application, but that would take forever to parse correctly, even if I do it in chunks. I'm sure we can all brainstorm some options.

LiveFromNS said:
Ok, after 8 hours of legal work to make money today, I just finished an hour or so of delving into PA law and stuff. Doing it pro bono for the Puffertons!

Montgomery County has "Right to Know" and Open Records legislation:

http://www.montcopa.org/index.aspx?NID=1422

Open Records contact/form:

http://www.montcopa.org/FormCenter/Open-Records-Requests-16/Open-Records-Request-Form-85
http://www.montcopa.org/DocumentCenter/View/4076

Again, I found nothing about audio so these laws looked good as potential to obtain audio if court denies.

But then I came across this opinion where a murderer tried to get audio of his hearing from the Mont County Court Reporter:

http://www.montgomerybar.org/assets/opinions/2009/OP08202009-301.pdf

He referred to Right-to-Know Act as basis. He was denied and lost on appeal. So unless this decision has been ignored or a negative opinion has since been released, it may be audio is out of question.

And here is bulletin about .25 cents a page. Again no mention of audio access.

http://www.pabulletin.com/secure/data/vol39/39-11/462.html

Thats all for legal work tonite.
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You are an absolute saint.

I saw that $4 figure and got a bit nervous, but $0.25 is much more managable. I'm curious about the fee for sending an electronic copy, so that's going on the list of things to ask.

Rin said:
It might not be possible to get the audio, though. While it would be preferable, it's not necessarily available, while the transcript definitely will be.

Personally, I would recommend asking if the audio is available, but don't be surprised if it isn't.
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I'll give it a shot anyways. Expect the worst, hope for the best.

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As a side question: considering this is going through legal channels, should I actually give them my, err, legal name or would an non-rediculous alias suffice? Just in case they actually check up on these things. Last thing I need is running afoul of the law over something as trivial as a court trasncript.

Leonard F. Shaner Jr. said:
Sad news for you Nuts, The transcripts are LOCKED, Sealed! At our request. Sorry to put a damper on your fun.
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I was wondering when you'd come crawling back, faggot.

Transcripts are public record, anyone can access them. You're a lying liar who lies.

Even if those transcripts were somehow pulled from public record, I have some bad news for you: it's called the Freedom of Information Act, and all it takes is one request to get that info. The reason why I can't just do that now is because the records are already publicly available, you dumb fat fuck.
 
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Wally Balljacker said:
I was wondering when you'd come crawling back, faggot.

Transcripts are public record, anyone can access them. You're a lying liar who lies.

Even if those transcripts were somehow pulled from public record, I have some bad news for you: it's called the Freedom of Information Act, and all it takes is one request to get that info. The reason why I can't just do that now is because the records are already publicly available, you dumb fat fuck.
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Just ignore him. Don't educate someone who can't learn.

But I think something really stupid must have happened at the trial. Len's bandwidth is throttled here, and he is afraid of us reading the transcript so much that he spent one whole post discouraging us and posting nothing else.
 
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Wally Balljacker said:
You are an absolute saint.

I saw that $4 figure and got a bit nervous, but $0.25 is much more managable. I'm curious about the fee for sending an electronic copy, so that's going on the list of things to ask.
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Drop me a PM before Monday man and I will give you some thoughts on how to approach the call. There are a few options I have in mind.

Len, go change your diaper.
 
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Leonard F. Shaner Jr. said:
Sad news for you Nuts, The transcripts are LOCKED, Sealed! At our request. Sorry to put a damper on your fun.
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Somewhere out there in a Pennsylvania Court House is a maximum security galvanized steel tempered locked safe with nothing in it but a transcript about a diaper shitting middle aged foamer and his lawyer sperging about the Kiwi Farms. :story:

Wally Balljacker said:
As a side question: considering this is going through legal channels, should I actually give them my, err, legal name or would an non-rediculous alias suffice?
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Pinkington Pufferton
 
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dollarhuviya said:
Well I'm not gonna trust some train obsessed twat about legal matters. We already had a lawyer in here tell us the truth. Have a good night, Lenny.
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Yeah, he is blowing smoke up our asses I bet. Prove you have a sealing Order by posting a scan then you goof.
LiveFromNS said:
Only unless there is a confidentiality or sealing order in place then it would not be allowed to be available to the public.
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Actually, I am surprised he comprehended what I posted, which is obviously where he got this idea.
 
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LiveFromNS said:
Ok, after 8 hours of legal work to make money today, I just finished an hour or so of delving into PA law and stuff. Doing it pro bono for the Puffertons!

Montgomery County has "Right to Know" and Open Records legislation:

http://www.montcopa.org/index.aspx?NID=1422

Open Records contact/form:

http://www.montcopa.org/FormCenter/Open-Records-Requests-16/Open-Records-Request-Form-85
http://www.montcopa.org/DocumentCenter/View/4076

Again, I found nothing about audio so these laws looked good as potential to obtain audio if court denies.

But then I came across this opinion where a murderer tried to get audio of his hearing from the Mont County Court Reporter:

http://www.montgomerybar.org/assets/opinions/2009/OP08202009-301.pdf

He referred to Right-to-Know Act as basis. He was denied and lost on appeal. So unless this decision has been ignored or a negative opinion has since been released, it may be audio is out of question.

And here is bulletin about .25 cents a page. Again no mention of audio access.

http://www.pabulletin.com/secure/data/vol39/39-11/462.html

Thats all for legal work tonite.
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I've always been willing to help kick in for transcripts. Pm me if you need help
 
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