Linus Gabriel Sebastian & Linus Media Group / Linus Tech Tips - Narcissistic corporate shill YouTuber driving his media empire into the ground. KILL COUNT: 2

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Watch Linus pretend he's not 36 or 37 with this, acting like he's never seen those 90's commercials including the Dude you're getting a Dell guy. No one apparently knows who Kevin Costner is too. The way they act when the old school Nintendo commercials are shown is peak modern beta male. And I see Taiwan knows that sex sells so they use it, but these cultured leafs can't believe someone would stoop so low, but they keep talking about glory holes because all leafs are gay.
 
why does he make the "I m gonna GIVE head face?"

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northstar747 said:
why does he make the "I m gonna GIVE head face?"

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Ah lemme guess, it's about PCem/86Box. Alright, I'll bite. Let's see how shit it will be.

EDIT: Okay, so obviously they are skimming over lots of details.

For example, PCem isn't super easy to configure, as you're configuring a VM like you would a real computer back in the day, and you can run into certain hardware related problems. Plus, the process of installing Windows 98 is a pain in the ass, and you will need to have all the drivers required on hand, and find a way to even put them on the VM. They've only barely mentioned that it's not as easy at the very end of the video, but completely omitted the fact that you need to install drivers manually because this is not Windows 10 with connection to Microsoft's servers that will instantly find and install every needed driver for you.

And Linus, being Linus, completely skimmed over a certain fact. He just said "E we just have the 13900k and it emulated Pentium II". The said Pentium II is a 350MHz one, and what's worth noting is that it's insanely demanding to emulate that processor at that speed, where the 13900k might as well be a must to run that. I tried emulating that on my 12400 at lower speeds and the emulation wasn't keeping up. Again, an average viewer might think they can plop the exact same config on their machine and it will run just as well, only to realize just how demanding emulating the Pentium II is. 86Box devs even made a whole blog post explaining why the Pentium II is as far as they're willing to go because of how hard it is to emulate the Pentium II already.

Speaking of, they only barely mentioned 86Box and DOSBox-X, even though they are superior forks, as they are way more actively developed than PCem and DOSBox. They've mentioned that they had to use a Folder2ISO program to get files on the VM. Well guess what, 86Box actually made it better and you can just pick a folder on your physical machine and it will get mounted as an .iso on the VM. And as for DOSBox-X, well, compared to DOSBox it is way way more versatile, as DOSBox's actual development is insanely slow. 0.74 was released in 2010, and the current 0.74-3 from 2019 is just a tiny little bugfix, because DOSBox devs really don't want to overdo the feature set in their project since it's actually used by companies like GOG. Meanwhile DOSBox-X can even emulate Windows 98 and Voodoo graphics, albeit not to the same extent of accuracy as PCem/86Box, but it's an option.

Since Tech Shrek was clearly the mastermind behind the entire video, while Linus was there to just be the talking head, I feel like Linus really needs to give him a separate channel where he goes in-depth in all the weird shit he does for the main channel, as these are very interesting topics and Anthony knows his shit, so he should really give him a channel so that he can make lower budget, but more in-depth follow-up videos for people that are really interested in what was talked about in the main channel video. That is, if Linus actually cared about letting Anthony educating the masses on emulation autism and not using him to bring a very interesting topic and dilute it so badly that you don't even get interested in it as an average viewer.
 
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Slav Power said:
Ah lemme guess, it's about PCem/86Box. Alright, I'll bite. Let's see how shit it will be.

EDIT: Okay, so obviously they are skimming over lots of details.

For example, PCem isn't super easy to configure, as you're configuring a VM like you would a real computer back in the day, and you can run into certain hardware related problems. Plus, the process of installing Windows 98 is a pain in the ass, and you will need to have all the drivers required on hand, and find a way to even put them on the VM. They've only barely mentioned that it's not as easy at the very end of the video, but completely omitted the fact that you need to install drivers manually because this is not Windows 10 with connection to Microsoft's servers that will instantly find and install every needed driver for you.

And Linus, being Linus, completely skimmed over a certain fact. He just said "E we just have the 13900k and it emulated Pentium II". The said Pentium II is a 350MHz one, and what's worth noting is that it's insanely demanding to emulate that processor at that speed, where the 13900k might as well be a must to run that. I tried emulating that on my 12400 at lower speeds and the emulation wasn't keeping up. Again, an average viewer might think they can plop the exact same config on their machine and it will run just as well, only to realize just how demanding emulating the Pentium II is. 86Box devs even made a whole blog post explaining why the Pentium II is as far as they're willing to go because of how hard it is to emulate the Pentium II already.

Speaking of, they only barely mentioned 86Box and DOSBox-X, even though they are superior forks, as they are way more actively developed than PCem and DOSBox. They've mentioned that they had to use a Folder2ISO program to get files on the VM. Well guess what, 86Box actually made it better and you can just pick a folder on your physical machine and it will get mounted as an .iso on the VM. And as for DOSBox-X, well, compared to DOSBox it is way way more versatile, as DOSBox's actual development is insanely slow. 0.74 was released in 2010, and the current 0.74-3 from 2019 is just a tiny little bugfix, because DOSBox devs really don't want to overdo the feature set in their project since it's actually used by companies like GOG. Meanwhile DOSBox-X can even emulate Windows 98 and Voodoo graphics, albeit not to the same extent of accuracy as PCem/86Box, but it's an option.

Since Tech Shrek was clearly the mastermind behind the entire video, while Linus was there to just be the talking head, I feel like Linus really needs to give him a separate channel where he goes in-depth in all the weird shit he does for the main channel, as these are very interesting topics and Anthony knows his shit, so he should really give him a channel so that he can make lower budget, but more in-depth follow-up videos for people that are really interested in what was talked about in the main channel video. That is, if Linus actually cared about letting Anthony educating the masses on emulation autism and not using him to bring a very interesting topic and dilute it so badly that you don't even get interested in it as an average viewer.
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Also they didn't even mention that you can use an ide2sd adapter in older pc builds and its way easier to transfer files between retro rigs and modern rigs. You don't have to burn CD-Rs.
 
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tehpope said:
Also they didn't even mention that you can use an ide2sd adapter in older pc builds and its way easier to transfer files between retro rigs and modern rigs. You don't have to burn CD-Rs.
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good point I have like 2 older pcs in a closet and yeah a solid state HD would be great. just keep it off the internet.
 
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Watch Linus pretend he's not 36 or 37 with this, acting like he's never seen those 90's commercials including the Dude you're getting a Dell guy. No one apparently knows who Kevin Costner is too. The way they act when the old school Nintendo commercials are shown is peak modern beta male. And I see Taiwan knows that sex sells so they use it, but these cultured leafs can't believe someone would stoop so low, but they keep talking about glory holes because all leafs are gay.
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>Reacting to the WORST Tech Ads
I cant believe he watched and reacted to every single one of his own videos in one sitting
 
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Just for fun I've set up an 86Box VM that mirrors the settings used in the LTT video.

Machine type: Slot 1
Machine: [i440BX] Gigabyte GA-686BX
CPU Type: Intel Pentium II (Deschutes)
Speed: 350MHz
Memory: 256MB
Display: [AGP] 3dfx Voodoo3 3000
Sound: Ensoniq AudioPCI (ES1371)
Network: [PCI] Realtek RTL8029AS

I've installed Windows 98 SE, installed drivers for 3dfx Voodoo3 and Soundblaster 128 PCI, and then added a hard drive image with Porsche Unleashed and Tomb Raider II. My host machine uses an Intel Core i5-12400, which is a modern mid-range Intel CPU, with the clocks boosted to 4GHz.

The initial experience was as follows: the emulation speed kept dropping down, when Windows 98 was loading there was a clear audio stutter, meaning the emulation couldn't keep up. When running Porsche Unleashed the audio would stutter hard in the main menu and the emulation itself couldn't keep a stable 100%. When I started a quick race, the audio completely gave out, the gameplay was fairly smooth, however the emulation speed was dropping and there were visual glitches.

Then I dropped the CPU clock down to 200MHz. This time the desktop experience is much more stable, there is no audio stutter on desktop loading, but Porsche Unleashed still suffers from some audio stutter and total audio death on starting a race. This time I've also tried Tomb Raider II. The game has visual glitches and microfreezes, however the audio seems to be able to keep up.

After dropping the clock down to just 166MHz Porsche Unleashed no longer audio stutters in the main menu and runs at 100% emulation speed. However audio still craps out when starting the race, the visual glitches are still present, and because I went down all the way to 166MHz the game performance now really suffers.

For comparison, I have a different VM, configured with a Pentium MMX at 233MHz, and while it's still not the recommended spec for running Porsche Unleashed, it still runs way better at 100% emulation speed than the Pentium II at 166MHz, that also manages to reach that 100% emulation. The audio issues might be due to either the fact that the sound card I chose has emulation issues or the drivers I installed have issues.

But the fact that I can emulate an older CPU at a higher clock speed and get better performance than emulating a newer CPU at lower clock speeds, where trying to emulate it at the same CPU clock as the older one would be impossible should indicate just how demanding PC emulation is and how the fact that Linus actually had the top of the line Intel CPU on his host machine is what actually allowed for that emulated machine to run so flawlessly. And it has been completely omitted to say that hey, to actually run this config you need an absolute beast of a CPU. As much as I'd like to emulate the Pentium II and be able to run something like Windows 2000 with games at 100% speed, I'd need an insanely expensive rig to actually achieve that because of just how complicated and demanding cycle accurate x86 CPU emulation is.


EDIT: I am afraid I was somewhat wrong in my tangent, but not completely wrong. You see, Anthony used PCem, whereas I used 86Box. The thing is that 86Box does things differently, it aims to be more accurate at the cost of having less performance. When I've configured PCem the same way as Anthony did, and after setting up Windows 98 and running Porsche Unleashed, it was running better than 86Box but the audio stutter was still significant.

The startup audio stutter doesn't even seem to appear at 350MHz, but I was able to get the absolute minimum of audio stuttering in Porsche Unleased at 233MHz, at which point the game runs fine, but there is still some amount of audio stutter as the emulation cannot keep a stable 100% speed. Plus, all the audio and video issues that I've had with 86Box are gone. Unfortunately with PCem I cannot go lower than 233MHz to attempt and completely get rid of the audio stutter.

This is definitely much better performing than 86Box, but it's clearly still struggling with emulating the Pentium II at full speed, especially at the 350MHz that Anthony used. So yes, I was wrong about what I've said because I've used a fork that was more demanding, however I was still right about having to need a really good host CPU to achieve a buttery smooth experience.
 
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1996 Toyota Camry said:
The term you're looking for is PowerPC emulation, which also includes Xbox 360 emulation
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that's what it was, yeah

how can it be so hard to emulate a 20 gigaflop PII 300mhz on an x86 chip (most of the instructions should be entirely just available) and yet the 12 gigaflop Wii is almost perfectly emulatable on a modern machine, and dolphin has to do JIT compiling and shit. (I know gflops ain't the only thing, but i'm still frazzled that x86->x86 is so hard).
 
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reptile baht spaniard rid said:
that's what it was, yeah

how can it be so hard to emulate a 20 gigaflop PII 300mhz on an x86 chip (most of the instructions should be entirely just available) and yet the 12 gigaflop Wii is almost perfectly emulatable on a modern machine, and dolphin has to do JIT compiling and shit. (I know gflops ain't the only thing, but i'm still frazzled that x86->x86 is so hard).
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The power PC chip was a weird little 3 core IBM cpu. It's always had issues with emulation.
 
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reptile baht spaniard rid said:
What is the advantage of accurate emulation instead of the more common virtualization? And how the hell is emulating x86 on an x86 harder than emulating the Gamecube/Wii chip on x86 (dolphin)?
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A lot of these questions were answered in 86Box's FAQ page: https://86box.net/faq

And as for why x86>x86 is hard, 86Box devs also talked about the difficulties of that here: https://86box.net/2022/03/21/why-not-p3.html
And also here, which explains why 86Box ran worse for me than PCem: https://86box.net/2022/01/07/pcem-migration-guide.html
 
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IBM, Motorola & Apple (AIM Alliance)*
The POWER architecture was all IBM, but the PowerPC chips which are based on the POWER architecture were designed by the alliance. I do believe though that IBM is the one who manufactured the chips destined for these consoles, while Motorola mainly manufactured the ones for use in computers such as the Power Macs (while IBM did do some of the earlier ones)
 
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A lot of these questions were answered in 86Box's FAQ page: https://86box.net/faq

And as for why x86>x86 is hard, 86Box devs also talked about the difficulties of that here: https://86box.net/2022/03/21/why-not-p3.html
And also here, which explains why 86Box ran worse for me than PCem: https://86box.net/2022/01/07/pcem-migration-guide.html
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Thank you! From reading that it sounds like they really COULD benefit from the dolphin-style "emulation" but they're basically hampered by the fact that dolphin can have "per-game tweaks for speed/authenticness" because the number of titles is known and limited; whereas a PC emulator has to try to emulate "the entire world". Dolphin does relatively insane things like emulate the processor in various different ways depending on which game is loaded, etc.

And that third post hints at what they'd have to do - recognize codepaths being run and switch which form of emulation they're doing depending on it; easier for a console, not so easy for a PC.

Reminds me of all the kerfuffle around NES/SNES emulation and accuracy vs speed: https://tasvideos.org/EmulatorResources/NESAccuracyTests
 
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1996 Toyota Camry said:
IBM, Motorola & Apple (AIM Alliance)*
The POWER architecture was all IBM, but the PowerPC chips which are based on the POWER architecture were designed by the alliance. I do believe though that IBM is the one who manufactured the chips destined for these consoles, while Motorola mainly manufactured the ones for use in computers such as the Power Macs (while IBM did do some of the earlier ones)
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That's really interesting. It's still weird to think a lot of our childhoods were powered by a company that primarily makes servers and helped get us to the moon.
 
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reptile baht spaniard rid said:
What is the advantage of accurate emulation instead of the more common virtualization? And how the hell is emulating x86 on an x86 harder than emulating the Gamecube/Wii chip on x86 (dolphin)?
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86box is made by trannies who fell for the low level emulation meme where even a 3MHz CPU from the 80s requires a 3GHz PC.
 
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