US Long-awaited ban on menthol cigarettes could be delayed into 2024, public health groups fear - They know Biden loses the black vote if he bans menthols, so they will lollygag until after Nov 2024

Long-awaited ban on menthol cigarettes could be delayed into 2024, public health groups fear
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By Erika Edwards and Sara G. Miller
2023-12-01 23:34:05GMT

The long-awaited ban on menthol cigarettes may not be announced by the end of the year, but pushed to 2024, according to officials from two national public health groups working to remove the products from the market.

Both requested anonymity to discuss the decision ahead of any announcement from the Biden administration. The delay could be announced as early as next week, they suggested.

Officials from the public health groups worry that the ban may be punted well into next year, perhaps even after the November presidential election.

One of the officials was “deeply concerned” that the ban would not be put into place before the 2024 election.

“Everything gets harder to do in an election year because people are distracted and bandwidth is stretched,” the official said.

The White House declined to comment.

A ban on menthol cigarettes has been in the works for more than a decade. A 2013 citizen petition prompted the Food and Drug Administration to ban menthol as a flavor in cigarettes, but rules to finalize a ban have been sluggish.

In January, Brian King, the director of the FDA’s Center for Tobacco Products, said the agency was committed to completing the rulemaking process for the ban in 2023. The FDA went on to miss its own self-imposed deadline of August.

Menthol use predominantly affects people of color.

Nearly 85% of Black smokers use menthols, compared to 30% of white smokers, according to the FDA. Black men and women are far less likely than white Americans to be diagnosed with lung cancer at an earlier stage, when the disease is often more treatable. Black men have the highest lung cancer death rate in the U.S.

Public health groups such as the American Lung Association and the American Heart Association have been vocal about the need for an end to menthol tobacco products.

“The American Lung Association expects the White House to honor President Biden’s commitment to end cancer as we know it through the Cancer Moonshot,” said Erika Sward, assistant vice president for national advocacy at the American Lung Association. It “cannot be achieved unless the White House finalizes” rules banning menthol products.

“Removing these products from the market is backed by strong scientific evidence and hundreds of thousands of public comments from the public health community nationwide,” said Nancy Brown, chief executive officer for the American Heart Association. “The administration should not delay further in putting these rules into effect.”

On Friday, the Food and Drug Administration said that finalizing rules to ban menthol tobacco products “remains a top priority.”

“Final rules such as these go through an extensive rulemaking process, including agency review and consideration of public comments, development of the final rule, and subsequent review by the Department of Health and Human Services and the White House Office of Management and Budget,” an FDA spokesperson said. The OMB has posted the final rules, which is considered the last step before the bans are finalized.

The Biden administration has been conducting ongoing meetings to discuss the issue with the tobacco industry and public health groups.

Menthol cigarettes are notoriously addictive. When inhaled, the menthol produces a cooling sensation in the throat, reducing the irritation of nicotine and the harsh taste of cigarettes, essentially making the cigarettes easier to smoke.

Menthols are also difficult to quit. Menthol smokers successfully quit at lower rates than nonmenthol smokers, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“People are dying. This will save lives. We have the science and data to prove it,” one official said. “It is long past time to take these products off the market.”
 
The meeting included high-profile civil rights attorney Ben Crump, who represented the family of Eric Garner, the New York man who died in 2014 after a police officer put him in a chokehold while being arrested on suspicion of selling loose cigarettes. Gwen Carr, Garner’s mother, has opposed the menthol ban, as has Crump; the Wall Street Journal reported last year that Crump acknowledged accepting money from Reynolds for Black youth scholarships but that he said it has not influenced his opinion.
Imagine putting any real consideration behind what either of these stupid niggers think.
 
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"Ayo, I be Lil Ryan, and I gotta axe you a question. Iz a thug not allowed to smoke he Newport's? 'HELLL NAW' say da cracka in DC, 'Deys belong to he baby momma'. "Nah cuz" say da warden in San Quentin, 'they be goin to da guards yo' 'you trippin homie' say deangelo down da block, 'I only gots backwoods' I done so my own thing ya dig, I done choose some otha shit. I done choose menthols anna 40. Imma vote trump yo
 
Menthol bans are a :lunacy: of a policy. It just makes no sense to all of a sudden restrict some drug that was legal because le health when you've got all these states starting to allow recreational marijuana. And what's more it doesn't seem like it's just marijuana, we're looking at a massive wave of light drug legalization that's coming. Not allowing tobacco while allowing all other drugs is restricting people from having a choice what to enjoy.
Really makes you think....


it is unironically targeting black smokers. i am not lying when i say thats half the reason i dont smoke menthol
 
it is unironically targeting black smokers. i am not lying when i say thats half the reason i dont smoke menthol
Well to be fair the only reason they weren't outlawed like cloves and other flavored cigarettes a few years back is the NAACP (no really).
 
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Wonder if it applies to menthol pipe tobacco. You can just get a bag of that and a box of tubes and make them. Two boxes of tubes and one bag of tobacco is roughly 20$ here. Good price for roughly 400 cigarettes.
 
Menthol bans are a :lunacy: of a policy. It just makes no sense to all of a sudden restrict some drug that was legal because le health when you've got all these states starting to allow recreational marijuana. And what's more it doesn't seem like it's just marijuana, we're looking at a massive wave of light drug legalization that's coming. Not allowing tobacco while allowing all other drugs is restricting people from having a choice what to enjoy.
Really makes you think....

I don't care about public health groups, it's just another NGO with ulterior motives. A true group that sets out to do something and have things be accomplished should dissolve itself.

In fact, anti-smoking was one of the first propaganda pieces I really started to understand for myself that wasn't obvious bullshit that my parents warned me about.

I started getting suspicious of these groups way back in high school, when I saw a poster that claimed tar and other products were inside of cigarettes, couldn't believe that such things were included in cigarettes, and did some research, finding the actual ingredients were fairly benign. It's still harmful to your lungs but I thought that taking combustion products, comparing them to similarities in other products, and passing that as an "ingredient" was disingenuous. And once that gets in your head, you start wondering what else was not exactly the truth.
 
it is unironically targeting black smokers. i am not lying when i say thats half the reason i dont smoke menthol
It's not like any other flavored tobacco products are legal, banning menthols now is just removing the racist exception to FDA policy installed in 2009 because they realized it was gonna cost them, and the white suburban kids smoking cloves the ban was actually targeted at didn't reliably vote Democrat.

Moral of the story: want to keep your drugs? Make sure it'll cost Democrats to ban them for nanny state public health reasons.
 
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Although titled the same, I think this is a different article, haven't read it or watched the video yet.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/7xgkaz/cheap-whites-inside-berlins-cigarette-black-market (archive.ph)
Yes that is a newer version. IIRC the original was 2014-2016 ish
 
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I'm a white man and I smoke menthols occasionally.
I smoked em on occasion when I was around 18-19, but ended up hating them.

With that said, banning them is really retarded. I hate these lame ass petty tyrants who believe the masses are too retarded to ever manage their own individual risk. Tobacco and nicotine is the kind of drug that's really only a potential risk to the user. They'll always bring up kids and shit, but I probably wouldn't have bothered picking up smoking in the first place if it wasn't for all these whiny assholes constantly campaigning for me not to.
I eventually stopped smoking in favor of vaping so I didn't constantly smell like shitty smoke, only for the state I was in to go and ban flavored vapes. That's my problem with this shit, they'll say it's about protecting the kids, but they'll make it a pain for everybody else instead of just going after the places and people that supply the kids.
I hope black people riot even harder than they did over Floyd if they ban menthols, I'd actually be fully in support of them.
 
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Although titled the same, I think this is a different article, haven't read it or watched the video yet.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/7xgkaz/cheap-whites-inside-berlins-cigarette-black-market (archive.ph)

A magnet URL, and poor formatting? What exactly were you trying to do? Link to a video that is using a magnet torrent?

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Putting "video:" without a double return between them makes it seem like the video: is part of the URL, and that will cause it to malfunction. You're better off linking to the corresponding torrent that is cached:


Also, the gov is fooling themselves if they think the companies aren't ready for them. A friend of mine works as a chemist for one of the major players in "Big Tobacco" and they have a new molecule all ready to go when menthol gets banned. It's a simple derivative of menthol, works just as well (possibly better since it has a 'thinner' taste profile), and can't be considered a "flavor" so it gets around the current bans.
 
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tell me this story. i need to break black balls with it
Actually, I looked into it and it turns out the NAACP has been pro-ban for some time. The others that have been opposed to the ban:
https://www.npr.org/2010/10/27/130855252/the-root-opposing-the-ban-on-menthol-cigarettes (archive)
In one corner, favoring a ban, are the NAACP, the National African American Tobacco Prevention Network and the African American Tobacco Control Leadership Council. In opposition are the Congress of Racial Equality, the National Black Chamber of Commerce and the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives.
It's hard to argue a ban on a product favored by black people isn't racist, sort of like when there were massively disproportionate sentences for crack cocaine as opposed to "white people cocaine," despite identical quantities of the active substance.

I thought I remembered the NAACP specifically opposing this but I was apparently wrong. Even restricting a Google search to a pre-2010 date range didn't turn up inconsistency. A number of black activist groups and black people who smoke menthols generally definitely did oppose it and get a carve-out though.

My only conflict is I occasionally did smoke menthols, although they were Dunhills. Kools are vile, and Newports are like smoking a eucalyptus tree.
 
Actually, I looked into it and it turns out the NAACP has been pro-ban for some time. The others that have been opposed to the ban:
https://www.npr.org/2010/10/27/130855252/the-root-opposing-the-ban-on-menthol-cigarettes (archive)

It's hard to argue a ban on a product favored by black people isn't racist, sort of like when there were massively disproportionate sentences for crack cocaine as opposed to "white people cocaine," despite identical quantities of the active substance.

I thought I remembered the NAACP specifically opposing this but I was apparently wrong. Even restricting a Google search to a pre-2010 date range didn't turn up inconsistency. A number of black activist groups and black people who smoke menthols generally definitely did oppose it and get a carve-out though.

My only conflict is I occasionally did smoke menthols, although they were Dunhills. Kools are vile, and Newports are like smoking a eucalyptus tree.


It is important to remember that all, although a lot of the complaints are bullshit, they do have a legitimate grievance on other things with this country. It is still much better than the vast majority of the world but it isn't perfect. My problem is more with the blatant hypocrisy our world seems to have, we seem to have a schizophrenic way in this country with how we perceive and treat blacks. On one hand they almost have a worshiped quality to them, but on the other hand in other ways they are still looked down upon. I had to go to a workshop for work where they told us about code switching, if I were a black kid and an older white teacher started using my terms I would die from cringe.. I had a good family but I've had 3 friends shot to death and 6 or 7 others stabbed or overdosed so I turn down the ghetto at my work lol.. the kids can tell I have an edge but I'm not trying to be like them.



Sorry if I went on a rant there but yeah. I hate the way this country is with black ppl sometimes.. they only make the problem worse pointing it out every time it happens.. there ought to be an emphasis on the togetherness of Americans.. like look up the original origin of memorial Day and realize they put Juneteenth where it was, or picked it for a reason.. memorial Day was a celebration originally for the Union soldiers who fought to free the slaves.. the slaves had nowhere to go, and there were a lot of Union boys who were dead and unburied or in unmarked Graves. So as a token of their appreciation they buried the Dead and threw a 10,000 person parade to honor the 257 dead Union soldiers... The history books will tell you Andrew Jackson owned slaves but they will never tell you that he had black men in his army when he fought the British and he paid them in equal amount!



TLDR: its the fucking jews like always dividing us because they thrive in multicultural environments
 
Whatever is wrong with our country, puritanically banning things people enjoy, even if they're awful, is faggotry.

Black people should be allowed to smoke Newports.

White bourgies in black trenchcoats should be allowed to smoke clove cigarettes.

Fuck this bullshit.
 
A top official fears Biden might let politics interfere with public health
Politico (archive.ph)
By Adam Cancryn and David Lim
2024-02-15 10:00:00GMT
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Menthols are the last remaining flavored cigarette allowed on the market and the overwhelming choice of Black smokers. | Jeff Chiu/AP
A top Biden administration health official is urging allies outside the government to lobby the White House to ban menthol cigarettes nationwide, fearing that President Joe Biden may abandon the proposal to avoid backlash from Black voters.

Robert Califf, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, has privately asked friends and public health experts to press their White House contacts over the status of the long delayed policy, two people familiar with the outreach told POLITICO. He has voiced concerns that White House support for the ban is waning amid warnings that outlawing a product popular with Black smokers could dent enthusiasm for Biden’s reelection in the minority communities that are core to the president’s base.

Califf’s behind-the-scenes encouragement of outside pressure on the administration he serves represents an unconventional policymaking tactic. And it illustrates the extraordinary lengths that the FDA chief has gone in pursuit of a landmark tobacco policy he considers a top agency priority.

Removing menthol-flavored cigarettes from the shelves would be a momentous public health achievement, he has argued, eliminating a leading cause of cancer that disproportionately affects young people and minorities.

“Fundamentally, these bold actions are about saving hundreds of thousands of lives each year,” Califf said in 2022, when the FDA first proposed the ban. “Prohibiting menthol in cigarettes would mean over 18.5 million menthol cigarette smokers ages 12 and older in the United States would have a better shot at quitting.”

The FDA finalized its policy banning menthol cigarettes and submitted it for approval last October. But the White House has yet to give it the green light amid pushback from a handful of influential Black allies who warn outlawing the product would fuel an underground market, worsen overpolicing in minority communities and hurt Biden’s standing among Black voters.

The delay has fed worries among advocates inside and outside the administration that political considerations will override the urgency for the ban and prompt Biden to hold off on implementation until after the November election.

“We’re now in a political season, and it’s only going to get tougher for them to do it,” said Yolonda Richardson, CEO of Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids. “All the delays are to the benefit of the tobacco industry. That’s just more time they have to keep them on the street, that much more time to addict kids.”

In addition to soliciting outside help, Califf has repeatedly raised the issue internally in recent months. He has enlisted senior officials at the White House and the Health and Human Services Department to help advocate for the ban, the two people familiar with the effort said, openly worrying that the regulations face an increasingly uphill battle. He’s also personally pressed senior Biden aides on the decision.

Yet Califf has received few assurances, and a final verdict now rests with Biden and his top advisers.

“Everybody’s done what they could do,” said a senior administration official who, like the others, was granted anonymity to discuss private conversations.

The White House declined to comment, citing a policy against discussing rules before they’re finalized.

FDA spokesperson Michael Felberbaum said the agency is similarly limited but called the new product standards for menthol cigarettes “at the top of our priorities.”

“The FDA remains committed to issuing the tobacco product standards for menthol in cigarettes and characterizing flavors in cigars as expeditiously as possible,” Felberbaum said.

At an event last month hosted by the nonprofit Alliance for a Stronger FDA, Califf alluded to the difficulties he’s faced in getting the White House to finalize the menthol ban.

“In the last year of this administration, so many things happen with a lot of pressure to get things finished, and sometimes political pressure comes into play,” said Califf, who has also sought to restrict flavored cigars and telegraphed plans to mandate lower nicotine levels in all cigarettes and other tobacco products. “A lot of considerations have to be navigated.”

Menthols are the last remaining flavored cigarette allowed on the market and the overwhelming choice of Black smokers, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The cigarettes’ popularity in the Black community has underpinned a fight for the ban waged by public health groups for over a decade. Anti-smoking advocates have accused the tobacco industry of aggressively marketing menthol cigarettes to Black consumers, and contend that menthol’s minty flavor conceals the harsher taste of tobacco and makes it easier for people to get addicted at younger ages.

But the prospect of a federal ban has triggered sharp pushback from some influential figures in the Black community. The Rev. Al Sharpton, a close Biden ally, has argued against the proposal over concerns it would give police another reason to target Black people, as has prominent civil rights attorney Ben Crump. The tobacco industry has also enlisted Black Democratic lawmakers to lobby on their behalf, including former Reps. G.K. Butterfield and Kendrick Meek.

Crump, Butterfield and Meek did not respond to requests for comment. A representative for Sharpton’s group, the National Action Network, said that it shares concerns “this ban will lead to unintended consequences for Black people selling loose cigarettes.”

NAN noted that Sharpton himself has not attended any meetings on the proposal or lobbied on it. But in an interview shortly after the FDA first proposed its menthol ban, he said: “People are not going to stop smoking Newports and Kools because of a rule. They’re going to go and get them from people that go to the street in the black market. Then what happens? That’s all I’m asking.”

The FDA initially hoped to finalize the menthol ban before the end of 2023. But the debate has been pushed into election season following fierce lobbying, including dozens of meetings between administration officials and outside groups that both favor and oppose the ban. In one such meeting in late November, a group of Black advocates who opposed the ban — including Crump, Butterfield and Meek — raised concerns directly to top Biden officials.

Around that time, Democratic pollster Cornell Belcher circulated polling paid for by tobacco giant Altria showing the ban could hurt Biden’s support with the Black voters he’ll need to win reelection. The polling also showed that those voters did not believe addressing tobacco products should be a high priority for the FDA.

The White House delayed the regulations soon afterward, with senior officials characterizing it as the result of a need to more deeply assess the ban and its potential consequences, the people familiar said. Troubled by the holdup, Califf and other supporters inside the administration signaled to public health groups that demonstrations of the depth and breadth of support for the menthol ban in the Black community might help allay internal reservations.

Anti-tobacco organizations have since demanded and received a meeting of their own with top Biden officials, and sought to spotlight backing for the proposal from the NAACP and a range of Black advocacy groups and U.S. mayors.

“This should clearly signal to the Biden-Harris administration that we’ve got your back and we want this done,” Victoria Woodards, the mayor of Tacoma, Washington, said in a video published recently by the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids that features several Black mayors.

The FDA has officially set a new deadline of March for finalizing its rules outlawing menthol. Inside the administration, supporters have held out hope that Biden will ultimately give the green light, swayed by the opportunity to make headway in his broader effort to combat cancer. But they’re also well aware that the odds get slimmer as the administration draws nearer to Election Day.


In a 2021 panel discussion prior to joining the Biden administration, Califf lamented the sheer difficulty of getting any tobacco regulation done in the face of political pressure.


“I hope that this administration will have the courage to fight what will be tough battles,” he said at the time. “I have never seen more capable or nastier lawyers than what I experienced in trying to deal with the tobacco industry.”
 
Look, man. I know cigs are bad for us. They suck. I get that.


But I work a shitty fucking job and the five minutes a shift when I go have a singular American Spirit dark green is the only time in my nightshift I have even a little bit of peace and relaxation. As an adult I have made the choice that I can accept the negatives.


I don't do it near people. I don't leave my butts on the ground. Being away from others who may not like the smoke is part of the relief. Please just leave me alone before I have to get back to dealing with patients. Please. Let me have this one fucking thing that makes the night suck less.
 
People, even those of the Negroid persuasion, should be allowed to smoke cigarettes of their choice. This bullshit of the government telling you what kind of cigarettes you're allowed to smoke needs to end.

I guarantee though that if niggers are not allowed to buy Newports and it's Democrats who did it, you can just welcome Trump back to the White House.
 
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