Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Lord of the Large Pants]

"Queer" basically means "dirty cis straight who wants to abuse Trans Teflon".

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

You are the first woman who I seen is actually worried about what this is doing to men.

My gender doesn't really matter. It's slightly above basic human decency to try to alleviate problems that your population is having. And this entire thing affects both sexes. In particular, this hurts me more deeply because behavioral health things affects me more and what you have here are professionals ruining the lives of many mentally ill people from a range of full grown adults to children. Their bodies are ruined, their minds don't get better, and it tends to end in destructive behavior, death from complications of surgery, or suicide. And this doesn't help anyone except surgeons, pharmaceutical companies, and "activist" groups lining their pockets.

No one is trying to actually help these people and make sure that they have a good life, they just want to feel good in their chest for a few minutes and not think about what they just did to someone permanently.

 

[gang weeder]

I have seen several troon-outs happen.

The only one I've witnessed IRL was a guy in my PhD program. He was severely overweight, disabled, in his early 40's, gay, with a lot of depression/mental issues already. So when he suddenly announced he discovered he had been a w*man his whole life and just didn't know it, it didn't come as that big of a surprise. He started wearing dresses, spammed about tranny shit on his Facebook (I blocked him so I wouldn't have to see it), the whole 9 yards. Clearly a cope latched on to by a person who already had lots of issues to try and give them some sense of meaning/purpose/etc. I was friendly and hung out with him several times before his trooning, but after, I avoided him. Didn't want to risk a chimpout if I accidentally let something slip.

The rest I've seen were online. Most happened in a particular small, insular Discord server (which I eventually got banned from as it became steadily more left-wing and I kept posting wrongthink). This server was already left-leaning but not obnoxiously so at first. However, a couple of trannies became active on it, and one of them was extremely loud and obnoxious about their troon-ness, and would constantly start drama over perceived slights. The server owner favored "her" and the place quickly warped around this person's whims. As time went on, around the time I was banned, several more members of the server had decided they were actually trannies, and would talk to each other about their "egg cracking" and shit like that. It was clearly a self-reinforcing social contagion.

The last one was also online, in a different server, and perhaps the weirdest. There was an active member of this server who was pretty chill and never showed any signs of trooning or anything like that. Then one day all of a sudden he joins on a new account and introduces himself as a girl. Does not make a big show out of trooning or anything like that, and it took many people a long time to figure out that it was actually the same guy with a new tranny persona, as under his new troon identity he acted completely different with little hint remaining of his former personality. He went on to quickly get offended too many times by standard edgy memes and declared the server a haven for racist bullies or whatever pearl-clutching nonsense before leaving.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

Are they also trying to push out lesbian ciswomen?

Unfortunately yes. From what I have seen, it's based on the whole "lesbian women are vaginasexual, not lesbian because they don't want transwomen so they are bigots"

Plus it's pretty well known during these days that bisexuals are the number one targets in the LGBT. For some retarded reason, people don't like B because it's not "oppressed" enough.

You have to be pretty skewed in the head to consider transitioning imo. Wouldn't call the non-degenerates normal, either.

Yep. I'm pretty sure you need to have a mental illness (gender dysphoria) in order to be considered trans. So essentially being trans is a mental illness.

Which makes the "non-dysphoric trans people" going on hrt all the more horrifying.

 

[gang weeder]

I am doubtful that """gender dysphoria""" as trannies portray it actually exists at all. If it does exist, then:

1. Trooning is not a proper """treatment""" for it.
2. It is extremely rare to the point that the average person would never encounter anyone in their life who has it, and the overwhelming majority of troons these days do not have it.

The increase in trannies over the past 20 years (probably even over the past 10) has been exponential, finding honest data about it would probably be hard, but we all know how massive it has been, probably thousands of percent or even more. There is no way that that amount of people were ackchyually sitting around with this invisible undiagnosed mental condition this whole time and no one noticed then all of a sudden practically overnight they all emerged from the closet. It's pretty wild to me that your average NPC unironically believes this with little to no skepticism.

 

[Hepativore]

You have to be pretty skewed in the head to consider transitioning imo. Wouldn't call the non-degenerates normal, either.

I am doubtful that """gender dysphoria""" as trannies portray it actually exists at all. If it does exist, then:

1. Trooning is not a proper """treatment""" for it.
2. It is extremely rare to the point that the average person would never encounter anyone in their life who has it, and the overwhelming majority of troons these days do not have it.

The increase in trannies over the past 20 years (probably even over the past 10) has been exponential, finding honest data about it would probably be hard, but we all know how massive it has been, probably thousands of percent or even more. There is no way that that amount of people were ackchyually sitting around with this invisible undiagnosed mental condition this whole time and no one noticed then all of a sudden practically overnight they all emerged from the closet. It's pretty wild to me that your average NPC unironically believes this with little to no skepticism.

From what I have seen, true "gender dysphoria" does exist, but it was extremely rare, and up until the past 20 years or so, hormones and then sexual reassignment surgery was only performed as a last resort when all other treatments and psychotherapy failed. Even then it was considered highly controversial in the psychiatric community at the time, simply because the surgical outcomes were and are a crude approximation of real genitalia and cannot really be anything like the real equivalents in form and function.

I think there should be a lot of emphasis put on the fact that if you were born male or female, you will always be male or female, and that nothing will change that. However, there really needs to be a lot of exploration on why people who identify as "trans" have such issues with being men or women. There is nothing that says a man cannot like pretty things or flowers, just like there is nothing wrong with a woman liking sports or fixing cars. In both cases, the gender of the people that do not conform to gender stereotypes should be thought of as incidental like it used to be until recently instead of being pigeonholed as "trans".

Finally, a lot of the "trans" people are also not "trans" but are AGPs or fujoshis. If you want to crossdress or whatever, for some sort of sexual thrill, fine, but these people should be denied "transition" as it should be instilled in them that the actual physical process of transitioning is more akin to sexual maiming or worse.

 

[Aunt Carol]

I really want to believe that there are decent Trans people out there but unfortunately I meet more degenerates than boring normal people. Even irl.

Had a college mate that came out as nonbinary, then chopped her tits off and now posts pictures of herself in leather harnesses.

Note she never did any of that shit before she decided to go nonbinary.

I've only met a couple of trans people who were weird but nonthreatening. Didn't completely pass but did their best, in behavior as well. Most importantly, they had personalities and interests beyond being a repeating station for the troon hivemind.

The tl;dr of my personal trans opinion is a lot like my abortion opinion: safe, legal, rare. A healthy population can handle a few exceptions in it, but when everyone under 30 is a troon, you lose herd immunity--shit, that's another hot-button metaphor.

Absolutely no idea how to tease out the very occasional turbo weirdo who'd be a good citizen in a dress from the thousands of predators and attention whores, and no desire to start a Twitter and get in fruitless arguments about it.

Yes... It's fucking retarded and I still laugh about it with other friends. Her reasoning was "fireworks stressed out my cat and I'm worried about him"

It was a kitten at the time.

She lives in a two room apartment and the cat sleeps in her bedroom so I don't understand what the big deal is if I crashed on the couch.

Now cats, I know about. Yeah, if a cat is stressed out by a guest, the cat'll just spend the night sleeping in the closet or under the bed or something. If it takes fireworks to annoy a cat, an extra mammal lying dormant on the couch is unlikely to be a problem.

Worst case scenario is a neurotic cat who pees somewhere weird when its routine is upset, though. Since she didn't lead with that, you're probably right in this being a troon problem, not a cat problem.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

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I think it's also because, and this is a pretty unpopular observation, being trans is kinda "trendy" these days or rather increasingly over time.

Trans people being pushed to the moon by the media and celebrities, the big fucking song and dance that is pride month, the constant screeching that is trannies on the internet.

I feel as if it's essentially a whirlpool that lures young people in with the promise of becoming special and beloved. Because as others have stated in this thread, being trans gives you a layer of immunity.

Now whether gender dysphoria is real or not, I do not know despite stating it that you kinda need it to be trans. I do however like to think that being trans does stem from some sort of severe mental health issue, hence the extreme body modification and suicide rates.

 

[gang weeder]

I think it's also because, and this is a pretty unpopular observation, being trans is kinda "trendy" these days or rather increasingly over time.

Trans people being pushed to the moon by the media and celebrities, the big fucking song and dance that is pride month, the constant screeching that is trannies on the internet.

I feel as if it's essentially a whirlpool that lures young people in with the promise of becoming special and beloved. Because as others have stated in this thread, being trans gives you a layer of immunity.

Now whether gender dysphoria is real or not, I do not know despite stating it that you kinda need it to be trans. I do however like to think that being trans does stem from some sort of severe mental health issue, hence the extreme body modification and suicide rates.

That's a pretty standard observation among anyone who doesn't go along with the mainstream tranny ideology. Male trannies troon as a means to gain access to female spaces, try and force lesbians to fuck them, or otherwise enable sex-pest behavior. Female troons, especially young ones, do it for the attention and social status. The phenomenon of "rapid onset gender dysphoria," in which one teenage girl will declare herself trans, then her entire friend group quickly follows suit to get in on the action, is well-documented. Likewise, many young white girls who claim some kind of LGBTQ identity don't actually change their sexual behavior. They are just doing it to have status on the woke totem pole.

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

a friend of mine has pretty much completely migrated from our friend group to a shitty vsco tiktok-ey bullshit one (we're zoomers so not much of a surprise) because we're too ""mean"" to him (aka joking around because he intentionally says stupid shit)
he seems to have this creepy female friend who always leaves retarded comments on his SM posts and is always with him in pictures and shit. he now dresses like a complete retard and thinks he doesn't look like he got attacked by a cat when he wears red eyeliner

recently he's started tagging his posts as "genderfluid". it's over. no saving him now

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

I am doubtful that """gender dysphoria""" as trannies portray it actually exists at all. If it does exist, then:

1. Trooning is not a proper """treatment""" for it.
2. It is extremely rare to the point that the average person would never encounter anyone in their life who has it, and the overwhelming majority of troons these days do not have it.

The increase in trannies over the past 20 years (probably even over the past 10) has been exponential, finding honest data about it would probably be hard, but we all know how massive it has been, probably thousands of percent or even more. There is no way that that amount of people were ackchyually sitting around with this invisible undiagnosed mental condition this whole time and no one noticed then all of a sudden practically overnight they all emerged from the closet. It's pretty wild to me that your average NPC unironically believes this with little to no skepticism.

To be quite honest, if you actually understand why they're trooning out, the gender dysphoria part is actually something that occurs similarly to body dysmorphia. Usually, an incident occurred in their life or the environment caused them to trigger something in their brains, the person then has the idea in their heads, and then the person tries to change themselves in a way that harms them.

There was this one person who was a detrans and he started with the thought that he didn't want to age as a man. This troubled them so much that they proceeded to go to a gender therapist that said "Oh yep, you're totally trans.", and put him on hormones. He then proceeded to destroy his body with estrogen. He became infertile and his autoimmune disease became worse because estrogen interacts with that. During this process, his brain essentially developed obsessive compulsive thoughts about how he passed and how certain things in his life could be seen as feminine or masculine. Many troons are like this. They think obsessively about gender and that's why they constantly talk about it because it's something that's always on their minds.

Now let's take a look at body dysmorphia. Let's say that there is a woman and she is in an environment that constantly talks about weight (in a gender case, you would have people talking about gender all the time). She then compares herself to her environment and believes that she is fat (she looks at the gender stereotypes and deems that she is not her assigned gender). She then proceeds to change her body in a way that makes her more skinny (she buys a binder or even lets them yeet the teet). While she is in this state, she constantly has thoughts about her body and her weight and will do various dangerous things because her brain is unbalanced (she constantly thinks about her gender identity and will constantly obsess about presentation and passing). This will continue until she dies from her attempts to be skinny, gets better due to medical intervention, or she is able to get better by herself.

 

[Hepativore]

To be quite honest, if you actually understand why they're trooning out, the gender dysphoria part is actually something that occurs similarly to body dysmorphia. Usually, an incident occurred in their life or the environment caused them to trigger something in their brains, the person then has the idea in their heads, and then the person tries to change themselves in a way that harms them.

There was this one person who was a detrans and he started with the thought that he didn't want to age as a man. This troubled them so much that they proceeded to go to a gender therapist that said "Oh yep, you're totally trans.", and put him on hormones. He then proceeded to destroy his body with estrogen. He became infertile and his autoimmune disease became worse because estrogen interacts with that. During this process, his brain essentially developed obsessive compulsive thoughts about how he passed and how certain things in his life could be seen as feminine or masculine. Many troons are like this. They think obsessively about gender and that's why they constantly talk about it because it's something that's always on their minds.

Now let's take a look at body dysmorphia. Let's say that there is a woman and she is in an environment that constantly talks about weight (in a gender case, you would have people talking about gender all the time). She then compares herself to her environment and believes that she is fat (she looks at the gender stereotypes and deems that she is not her assigned gender). She then proceeds to change her body in a way that makes her more skinny (she buys a binder or even lets them yeet the teet). While she is in this state, she constantly has thoughts about her body and her weight and will do various dangerous things because her brain is unbalanced (she constantly thinks about her gender identity and will constantly obsess about presentation and passing). This will continue until she dies from her attempts to be skinny, gets better due to medical intervention, or she is able to get better by herself.

How successful was the detransition process, and is there lasting damage even after stopping the hormones?

 

[Aunt Carol]

Remember when anorexia was agreed to have an element of social contagion, and you were supposed to watch for the same thing in teenage suicides, there were actual classes on how to decline a cigarette when the cool kids offered you one, and we were going to stop publicizing school shooters because of the fear of copycats?

Nice to hear, via the trans lobby, that Current Year teenagers are no longer susceptible to peer pressure. It'll be fun to have cigarette ads back on TV.

 

[Wallace]

To be quite honest, if you actually understand why they're trooning out, the gender dysphoria part is actually something that occurs similarly to body dysmorphia. Usually, an incident occurred in their life or the environment caused them to trigger something in their brains, the person then has the idea in their heads, and then the person tries to change themselves in a way that harms them.

The troon cult has made the definition of "dysphoria" so broad that every teenager would have it. If you feel discomfort with your gendered appearance (i.e. you don't like the new set of C-cups you're growing at the age of 12), then you're dysphoric, therefore you are trans, therefore start taking hormones and puberty blockers now now now, because it's the only cure and if you don't, you'll die.

Actual dysphoria is more incongruence than discomfort. You look in the mirror and go "hey, that's not me" or "I don't look like that". Almost all ROGD kids have either OCD, social anxiety, or just plain 'tism, and troonery is sold as a magical panacea. After all, being trans makes you the most specialist person ever and it will cure everything you don't like about yourself! All of your friends online say so! So yeah, cult. I don't doubt that ROGD kids are anxious/depressed, but transing is not the answer.

Also, this is a very good story of someone who desisted. Lots of details and insights into their mind.

 

[OttoWest]

There was this one person who was a detrans and he started with the thought that he didn't want to age as a man. This troubled them so much that they proceeded to go to a gender therapist that said "Oh yep, you're totally trans.", and put him on hormones. He then proceeded to destroy his body with estrogen. He became infertile and his autoimmune disease became worse because estrogen interacts with that. During this process, his brain essentially developed obsessive compulsive thoughts about how he passed and how certain things in his life could be seen as feminine or masculine. Many troons are like this. They think obsessively about gender and that's why they constantly talk about it because it's something that's always on their minds.

I hope the mental health community will eventually recognize the tie between gender dysphoria and OCD. So many of these people, even the AGP types, are affected and conditioned by obsessive thoughts. Imagine if we treated a GD patient instead with OCD meds and therapy.

 

[Wallace]

I hope the mental health community will eventually recognize the tie between gender dysphoria and OCD. So many of these people, even the AGP types, are affected and conditioned by obsessive thoughts. Imagine if we treated a GD patient instead with OCD meds and therapy.

According to the Littman paper, OCD is 8-fold enriched in ROGD kids.

 

[gang weeder]

I hope the mental health community will eventually recognize the tie between gender dysphoria and OCD. So many of these people, even the AGP types, are affected and conditioned by obsessive thoughts. Imagine if we treated a GD patient instead with OCD meds and therapy.

Doubtful as I believe the "mental health community" to be even more corrupt and politicized than the rest of the medical establishment.

 

[Wallace]

I hope the mental health community will eventually recognize the tie between gender dysphoria and OCD. So many of these people, even the AGP types, are affected and conditioned by obsessive thoughts. Imagine if we treated a GD patient instead with OCD meds and therapy.

Doubtful as I believe the "mental health community" to be even more corrupt and politicized than the rest of the medical establishment.

They'll do it right after one of them gets successfully sued for the damage they caused.

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

How successful was the detransition process, and is there lasting damage even after stopping the hormones?

I'm not too sure on how it affects them long term but I know a few things. First thing are your sexual organs and that could definitely wreck your infertility. Testosterone and estrogen both affect connective tissue. Testosterone thickens them, estrogen loosen them. An ftm will have a higher chance of cardiac issues but I'm not sure how that works when she gets off of them.

Doubtful as I believe the "mental health community" to be even more corrupt and politicized than the rest of the medical establishment.

I wouldn't necessarily call them corrupt, I would say that they, like many medical establishments, believe certain things about people and thus do quite stupid things on those beliefs. Take for example, the treatment of women in early psychology and medicine. I would say a regular family doctor can also have dumb beliefs that cause incorrect care. There's been many times where a patient has come to a doctor, spoke of their symptoms, and the doctor either did the wrong thing or turned them away which resulted in harm of the patient. Someone I know had a mother that went to the ER, the doctor said she was okay, she went home, had a heart attack, and died.

I would also note the peddling of pills and treatments but that's been going on since snake oil salesmen. Back in the day, instead of xanax, they would give you opium and send you home and then you get an addiction.

They'll do it right after one of them gets successfully sued for the damage they caused.

It would have to be someone with an extremely good lawyer. You would have to get a lawyer that can get past the "I was only doing my job" barrier that protects them. That detrans person I was talking about actually called his gender therapist and she immediately started to spout how she was only doing her job.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Back in my day, queer was just a synonym for gay. Maybe it meant a certain subset of gay, I honestly don't remember. Just another part of gay culture that's been colonized, or perhaps gentrified might be a better term.

That's exactly what it is. Queer used to mean faggot, and we all knew it. It was reclaimed in the 90s, when queer shit was all the rage, then in the early 2010s, a bunch of lisping faggot wannabes morphed it into "i want claim I'm oppressed but I don't actually want to suck dick". I'd say it was downhill from there, but we were already at terminal velocity.