Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Protistology]

I remember reading something about how transgenderism is more tolerated in societies that reject homosexuality. In Iran homosexuality is strictly forbidden but the state would subsidize gender reassignment surgeries, they still see it as mental illness but more worthy of tolerance and than those sinful gays, think something similar happens in India. Brazilian hood culture can be very homophobic but trans people are very normalized there so trooning is more of an strategy for affeminate gay men to get around it. People would rather they turn into a normative stereotype of a woman rather than be a man who fucks dudes.

Repost: Indians

 

[Piss Bear]

Spoiler: Muh life story

Looking at all the 'trans kid' crap now, I am really glad I grew up with a mother that didn't buy into that shit. While I still had plenty of girly interests as a small child (liked to play with kiddy makeup, liked sparkly stuff), I was significantly more boyish than my peers. My favourite toys were cars, my dream job was masculine, I was always trying to wrestle with someone, I read boys books, liked gross things, and I would've walked around without a shirt if my parents hadn't (responsibly) forced me to put one on. I liked catching bugs and playing in mud, that sort of thing.

Of course, being a responsible parent, and having been more boyish than me growing up, my mother just let me be a tomboy. When I hit my teens I realized I wasn't a heterosexual, but I never had any gender problems or saw myself as anything but female.

Now I'm watching little girls being TRANSITIONED for the same behaviour I displayed, and vice versa with boys who are a bit more feminine or sensitive being transed into girls. It scares me shitless that the typical variation of behaviour you see in childhood is now being pathologized as some sort of gender dysphoria. I've got a young male cousin who is more feminine (likes dolls, etc) and I am so relieved that his mother is the type to allow him these interests without ever considering trying to transition him. It's more likely he's going to be a gay male as an adult (though you can't be sure of these things), but he's not a girl. Trust me, for the most part he acts like a typical little boy. He's a good kid. I give him my old Barbies.

That brings me to another point. The social justice crowd is all about gay rights, right? Well, what the hell are they doing sterilizing troubled homo/bisexuals and children who are more likely than average to become that way as adults (since there is some correlation between childhood behaviour and adult sexuality, though it isn't something someone should assume just because a boy is feminine or a girl masculine)? Remember when the idea of mutilating gay people was a BAD thing? They're taking kids who would've most likely grown up to be healthy homosexuals, and sterilizing them into asexuality. These boys who get female hormones never sexually develop properly, just look at Jazz Jennings.

The percentage of trans people who exist now doesn't line up at all to the percentage ten years ago. But you know what it does line up to closer? The percentage of homosexuals and bisexuals. Not many people are trans. A lot of people (though still a minority) aren't hetero.

But doctors don't make big profits off of gays, now do they? Transgenders are walking cash cows. Besides, being gay isn't special anymore, and people, ESPECIALLY TEENAGERS, want to feel special and important.

Basically, all the carrots and sticks are in the wrong direction.

Spoiler: Spergery

I’m very similar to you except NOTHING “girly” ever interested me whatsoever. When I was a kid I played with dinosaurs, dragons, liked blood and gorey games, was totally interested in everything my dad did. Played rough with boys, watched boys cartoons, played in mud and dirt, played video games, yeah you get my point. I never grew out of being a tomboy either.

If I was born a little later? I definitely would have fallen for the tranny bait to some degree. That’s a truly horrifying thought. Christ, I feel so bad for these kids.

The whole tranny thing was happening when I was a kid, but I didn’t quite comprehend it. When I was growing up the whole gay rights movement was going on and I was totally behind that, I even made a school project on it with this pixie-haired girl. But, trans rights was not nearly as big then as it is now. I heard about it? Weird terms like MtF and FtM which seemed like an alien language to me. Now I know too much about that bullshit.

Anyways. Yeah, completely agree with your overall message. I don’t understand why the trannies are going against what the gays stood for: fuck gender roles. Why are trannies now reinforcing them? Even the term “non-binary” is enforcing it to some degree, because it implies how you dress somehow has anything to do with your gender…?

 

[Ser Prize]

The deification of the gays and their woke, family destroying 'crusade' shows that you guys just keep missing the point of all this.

 

[bored loser]

Man, that’s a pathetic thing for a therapist to say, in so many ways it’s completely unprofessional.

Idk if you’re working already but maybe a change of field.
A normal, working class labouring job, where you are outside preferably and with regular people, friendships strike up and at the very least at least your life is a bit nicer through fresh air and movement.

Normal people at best dgaf about tranny shit- people willing to be loudly ott harsh about it go too much the other way and are often dicks in their own respect but the majority of adjusted healthy people you wanna get to know, are live and let, whcih is also an attitude that due to being non-nuerroic, doesn’t typically feed into the identity obsession that births trooning anyway, so it’s unlikely to come up in proximity to be dealt with personally/ therefore it’s easy to have the luxury not to have an opinion on people fucking their endocrine system.

I'm in my last semester of university but in a field that is full of trans people. I'm hoping I get lucky wherever I end up working.

Normal people seem like a relief to be around. I wish I could be like them and have a "live and let live" attitude but I'm just so damn sick and tired of being around them and of this cult sucking up normal people and replacing them with a fucked up fever dream version. I wish every day I'd never peaked and was blissfully unaware. I'd probably be a happier person.

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

Are there any trannies that is mentally sound other than Blaire White? It seems only miserable incels become part of the "cult".
I don't think Transgenderism in itself is a cult, but there are still many signs that a majority of trannies are brainwashed.
Like I feel like that out of all of them Blaire White is the only person who does have gender dysphoria on this planet.

Blaire White isn't sane. They has the same mentality as CommieDickGirl where they constantly have to prove they're "one of the good ones". When someone is like that, it means they're desperate to be liked which also goes into their gender dysphoria because they want you to call them "she" desperately or it'll cause a negative reaction within them.

 

[Jimmy Olsen]

The deification of the gays and their woke, family destroying 'crusade' shows that you guys just keep missing the point of all this.

I'm not saying there isn't plenty of fucked up shit going on in gayland too. But not everyone here is going to hate everything about the gays just because they also have problems with the transgender movement. Nobody is stopping you from making a thread about the problems with homosexuality and how it's destroying the family unit. This isn't Reddit, you're not going to get banned or harassed off the website for speaking your mind. But this isn't that thread.

 

[AMHOLIO]

The deification of the gays and their woke, family destroying 'crusade' shows that you guys just keep missing the point of all this.

I agree with Jimmy. Make a thread on why its destroying it and I'll read it (because it is off topic here).

 

[Ser Prize]

I'm not saying there isn't plenty of fucked up shit going on in gayland too. But not everyone here is going to hate everything about the gays just because they also have problems with the transgender movement. Nobody is stopping you from making a thread about the problems with homosexuality and how it's destroying the family unit. This isn't Reddit, you're not going to get banned or harassed off the website for speaking your mind. But this isn't that thread.

I have made a thread about it, it's a tad old now. I said what because you guys really need to wise up to hustle, here. Here's the thread for those curious: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-sacred-cow-of-homosexuality.103630/

On the note of this thread: this social contagion is getting worse. Apparently half the damned day shift at the local grocer is composed of trans and non-binary sorts.

 

[Jimmy Olsen]

On the note of this thread: this social contagion is getting worse. Apparently half the damned day shift at the local grocer is composed of trans and non-binary sorts.

It's all well and good until somebody gets dysphoric over a chicken breast.

 

[DenseDeerFather]

Man, so I just remembered another couple of troons I encountered.

Now, these were thankfully on Discord so I didn't have to endure them irl. I dropped them all except one.

Spoiler: NEET troon

This person was...bad. Even by mentally ill trans person standards. He prided himself on being a NEET. No education, no job, no income, living at home and feeding off his mom. He had a bad habit of drugs and alcohol and used them as coping mechanisms. At the same time, he wanted to dream big on living in NYC or being a drifting sugar baby or some shit.

He also prided himself as an " omnisexual anarcho-communist" and was once otherkin, specifically a "cute loli vampire catgirl". He was an unabashed lolicon and often went on long tirades on how lolicons are good people every time I, being the most vocal against that shit, would mention my discomfort.

He was also a hedonist, something which he himself took pride in. As such, he showed zero regards to society, norms, standards or people.

You know the furry con disaster that was RainFurrest? Yeah, he applauded the ones taking drugs and destroying the hotel.

Worse yet, he himself admitted to the fact that he had not showered in 4 years because of "dysphoria".

Imagine the body odor.

He also admitted that he once tried to drink his own piss to "see how it tasted". Needless to say, it was not good. He also had a weirdly masculine obsession with height. He hated that he was short.

Now, I might be wrong but aren't men usually the ones who struggle with their heights out of insecurity? I have never seen women do that, it's usually their weight.

He left the server because of two reasons; 1, his mom died and he was fucked. So he wandered the streets, lived with some friends, lived with extended family etc.

2, he had a falling out with another member who dared to suggest that trans people should get as much therapy as possible before going through with hrt and surgery and that shit.

In fact this incident offended him so much that he refuses to return unless that person leaves the server entirely. Which is...extreme.

At the time, he was there, I sorta took on an attendant role because I really wanted him to get some sort of life so he could go to New York and stop complaining about how fucked his life is because anyone with more than two brain cells could see that if he didn't stop relying on his mother to basically take care of him forever, his life would be fucked. I really wanted him to succeed and get some agency.

There is nothing good about being a NEET, troon or not.

Mental illness is a bitch but fucking hell, you gotta at least try to clean up your act.

To my knowledge, he has yet to do that. So I don't know where he is or if he's even alive. Because I'm a softie, I do hope he, against all odds, got the help he needed.

Spoiler: Decent troon

This next person is someone I have known for years. When I met her, she was a lesbian.

Then a couple of years later, she became a troon.

This one isn't as exciting because she has not changed one bit at all. But instead of focusing on lesbo shit (not sapphic, she hates using that word), she's focused on hetero stuff.

Now she remains the only person I haven't dropped. I guess I'm one of those people who can look past other people's faults if I do genuinely like this person.

She is still to be saved however as she has not gone through hrt or surgery. She has just socially transitioned.

Spoiler: Hissyfit troon

This final person is uhm...weird. I also dropped this one tbh because she was fucking annoying. She was also an otherkin and once explained the whole concept to me and I was like "yes, you are mentally ill"

This bitch also dived headfirst into the fetishization of DID with alter OCs and fictional characters and shit.

This person had an extreme hate boner for anime femboys and got triggered over everything.

I was talking about some bizarre anime about a girl who transforms into a dude when becoming a magical girl and the cow threw a hissyfit on her bitch grass because it was "triggering her dysphoria"

I also caught some flack because I refused to use her neo-pronouns "Ve/verself, it/itself" and whatnot. There isn't much to this person other than typical twitter spergery but my god, dealing with one directly is exhausting.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

Does anyone remember when thalidomide babies came to be and it disabled a significant portion of the population? The usage of puberty blockers will create many adults that need medical care and will most likely be on welfare, putting a burden on the nation's budget. At least with thalidomide, you had some that at least were able to live a good life. With puberty blockers, it fucks you up for your whole life.

I feel like troonacy, and even the part that includes child transitioning... Is different from thalidomide. The thing with thalidomide, was that it's because of ignorance. It was a new chemical, people didn't know the side effects. And this made troonism today scary because there doesn't seem to be a historical predecent events that faith-based social practices became so intervened with medicine so much that practitioners are happy to delude themselves about. This isn't a genuine mistake, it is a technocratic religious ritual of the modern, secular world.


Anything with transitioning is that people knows the expected results. There are proponents, there are advocates. With trans child, it's on the idea that physical side effects be damned because transitioning will make them closer to their 'true self'...

In fact, I find it ridiculous to begin with, even in adults, that transitioning is used to cure dysphoria? Why don't we give anorexic diet pills or chop off limbs off people with BIID so they can be their true self too? (Answer : transitioning started off as a covert way to sterilise the 'sexual deviants', the 'humane' reasoning and the concept of gender identity was attached to it later to justify it... And it's coming from a pedo)

 

[Kung Pow Cream]

I feel like troonacy, and even the part that includes child transitioning... Is different from thalidomide. The thing with thalidomide, was that it's because of ignorance. It was a new chemical, people didn't know the side effects.

Nope, no one actually knows all the long term effects of puberty blockers. This method is still quite new and extremely experimental and people are parading it around like it's going to be okay. Many parents and children aren't even actually truly informed on the side effects so informed consent goes out the window. There have been parents and children that didn't know it ruins the bone density of the patient. This is actually still based in ignorance.

Anything with transitioning is that people knows the expected results.

No they don't. Many patients are given a very simplistic and positive idea by surgeons, gender therapists and fellow copium inhaling troons and then they're lulled into a state thinking it'll be okay and wonderful. The surgeons always tell them there will be rarely be complications. Facial Feminization Surgery surgeons will tell them that shaving millimeters off their skull will make their chad skeleton look like a pretty cat girl. HRT is always deemed as magic and will change your body into something that is more womanly or manly. It really doesn't. Many of these patients are basically being lied to and will be dealing with complications for the rest of their life.

In fact, I find it ridiculous to begin with, even in adults, that transitioning is used to cure dysphoria? Why don't we give anorexic diet pills or chop off limbs off people with BIID so they can be their true self too? (Answer : transitioning started off as a covert way to sterilise the 'sexual deviants', the 'humane' reasoning and the concept of gender identity was attached to it later to justify it... And it's coming from a pedo)

Because it's being used as a cure all and cure alls never work. Dysphoria is actually quite complicated and they're throwing many people who are mentally ill and people who are easily swayed into a grinder to make sausage. This is why I once referenced lobotomies in this thread because it's very similar. You have mentally ill people who were given treatment that fucked them up and oftentimes didn't work because it was a combination of wanting the easy way out to help a population and also the lack of resources to care for these people. All of these people actually just need therapists but that is difficult to do because people don't really know how to help gender dysphoria yet and also that takes up a lot of resources. To actually help someone like this, you would have to work with them for years and even then they'll be semi functional.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

No they don't. Many patients are given a very simplistic and positive idea by surgeons, gender therapists and fellow copium inhaling troons and then they're lulled into a state thinking it'll be okay and wonderful. The surgeons always tell them there will be rarely be complications. Facial Feminization Surgery surgeons will tell them that shaving millimeters off their skull will make their chad skeleton look like a pretty cat girl. HRT is always deemed as magic and will change your body into something that is more womanly or manly. It really doesn't. Many of these patients are basically being lied to and will be dealing with complications for the rest of their life.

It's still different from thalidomide, when the side effects was found. The drug got pulled out quickly. The trans surgery still used the same method as it's done 70 years ago... and there's no sight for stopping. The patients may be stupid enough to get coaxed into believing they'll get a real deal vagina, but certainly not on the professionals side... Or at least they delude themselves so they can feel like good people.

Patients being ignorant and being purposefully lied to =/= effects are unknown. That is the reason why I said this is a procedure that is so tied with societal ritual than any actual science involved, because people are purposefully ignoring researches and try to prevent research to happen. There are papers that suggest SRS doesn't help and may increase suicide risks, or puberty blockers cause bone loss... but these are ignored over because it's not in the narrative they want to push. There's also this 'triggering dysphoria' study that had to be put off the table recently because it'll expose how much of a bullshit this is..


If course, I expected all of this trans lunacy to end in disaster but I feel like they couldn't even say that 'they didn't know better' either, if they want to be honest... Well, they'll say it and people will be stupid enough to believe it. They'll try to play it out as a 'genuine mistake'... When it's clearly not.

And while Lobotomy may be a close comparison BUT unlike lobotomy... The patients are not advocating it and don't take it as their real identity that demand validation and aspect. You don't have patient-driven pro-lobotomy activism... Trannyism got codified in law, 'legal sex' can be changed... there are activists and people who would advocate at being troons, We're dealing with something much larger... We got a rabid army of them screeching at anything that implies they might be living a lie.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

The deification of the gays and their woke, family destroying 'crusade' shows that you guys just keep missing the point of all this.

The difference is fags just are. You don't even know who someone is attracted to sexualy and regardless of how cancer the gay community is who someone likes sexually is still more of a personal aspect of someone's identity. But troonism is unavoidable to deal with so its not like lgb is all wonderful but if gay friend or sibling decides he now is going to become an abominable creatura you'd be much more concerned for their well being knowing how deep the pit goes both physically and ideologically when someone chooses to troon out and how such a drastic process affects everyone close to them.

 

[Jimmy Olsen]

Spoiler: More yakking

Oh God. I just remembered something that would've almost certainly had me trooned out had I been in different circles.

When I was a kid and playing pretend, I would pretend to be a boy by holding my hair back to make it look as if I had short hair (being four, I thought the difference between males and females as children was dictated by hair length, because I was, I don't know, FOUR and didn't understand anything about sex or gender?). I liked to play pretend as a boy, and I told my parents what I was doing. Being responsible, they saw it as nothing more than a kid's game, and once they knew I didn't actually think I was male (as that could've gotten me in trouble around little boys, and it would be a sign it was time for the talk), they let me get along with my playtime.

Of course, boy was one of many of the things I played pretend as. I also played pretend as an elf, a princess, a dog, a mother, a cat, a fairy princess, magician, evil witch, mermaid, you name it, I played it. For a brief time I truly and honestly believed myself to be an elf. And most of my pretend games were typical girly things.

Imagine what a loony lefty would do if they found a little girl who liked playing pretend as a boy. It wouldn't matter that I also thought I was an elf or believed in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

I never really thought about this stuff much, but the more I look back on my early years the more I am thankful for the family I grew up in and terrified for children in trans-rights circles. How many kids have been irreparably damaged because they wore a princess dress or played with trucks in front of the wrong person? Hell, plenty, probably even most kids who act a little masculine or feminine when they're younger don't so much as grow up to be gay! So how on Earth can you diagnose them with transgenderism?

Christ, I need a drink...

 

[Ser Prize]

Spoiler: More yakking

Oh God. I just remembered something that would've almost certainly had me trooned out had I been in different circles.

When I was a kid and playing pretend, I would pretend to be a boy by holding my hair back to make it look as if I had short hair (being four, I thought the difference between males and females as children was dictated by hair length, because I was, I don't know, FOUR and didn't understand anything about sex or gender?). I liked to play pretend as a boy, and I told my parents what I was doing. Being responsible, they saw it as nothing more than a kid's game, and once they knew I didn't actually think I was male (as that could've gotten me in trouble around little boys, and it would be a sign it was time for the talk), they let me get along with my playtime.

Of course, boy was one of many of the things I played pretend as. I also played pretend as an elf, a princess, a dog, a mother, a cat, a fairy princess, magician, evil witch, mermaid, you name it, I played it. For a brief time I truly and honestly believed myself to be an elf. And most of my pretend games were typical girly things.

Imagine what a loony lefty would do if they found a little girl who liked playing pretend as a boy. It wouldn't matter that I also thought I was an elf or believed in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

I never really thought about this stuff much, but the more I look back on my early years the more I am thankful for the family I grew up in and terrified for children in trans-rights circles. How many kids have been irreparably damaged because they wore a princess dress or played with trucks in front of the wrong person? Hell, plenty, probably even most kids who act a little masculine or feminine when they're younger don't so much as grow up to be gay! So how on Earth can you diagnose them with transgenderism?

Christ, I need a drink...

You just know there are real people out there who identify as elves.

 

[glass_houses]

You just know there are real people out there who identify as elves.

There are.

I'm so sorry.

 

[Rod Sterling]

I'm so thankful for this thread since atm I'm unable to really talk about this practically anywhere without worrying about some kind of bad reaction.

Long story short, my dad decided this was a route he was going to take. I mean we all kind of knew for years because he would leave his purchases and online log-ins just out in the open sometimes. It's just so infuriating that because of him and his self-spending we are very deeply in debt, something that I hoped he would realize because he has KIDS that need to take on said debt whenever he passes. Instead he just left the house after deciding to go full troon recently and now nobody knows if hes going to keep up with helping the bills.
His work is supporting him because 'diversity' and he gets praise for being "brave" etc. Meanwhile my brother and I have to be bound to the house, bills, and mental weight of what he left. It's really agonizing knowing that I struggle to get money for my health (he caused, another story) and he can get therapy and do whatever he pleases. I just feel like when you already have been married, had kids, etc. Just drop the fucking troon nonsense. Grow up, it's too late to be that self centered that you still want to spend what could be used on your family.
I hope I didn't over share too much, accidentally PL'd once before, trying to avoid that.

 

[Jimmy Olsen]

I'm so thankful for this thread since atm I'm unable to really talk about this practically anywhere without worrying about some kind of bad reaction.

Long story short, my dad decided this was a route he was going to take. I mean we all kind of knew for years because he would leave his purchases and online log-ins just out in the open sometimes. It's just so infuriating that because of him and his self-spending we are very deeply in debt, something that I hoped he would realize because he has KIDS that need to take on said debt whenever he passes. Instead he just left the house after deciding to go full troon recently and now nobody knows if hes going to keep up with helping the bills.
His work is supporting him because 'diversity' and he gets praise for being "brave" etc. Meanwhile my brother and I have to be bound to the house, bills, and mental weight of what he left. It's really agonizing knowing that I struggle to get money for my health (he caused, another story) and he can get therapy and do whatever he pleases. I just feel like when you already have been married, had kids, etc. Just drop the fucking troon nonsense. Grow up, it's too late to be that self centered that you still want to spend what could be used on your family.
I hope I didn't over share too much, accidentally PL'd once before, trying to avoid that.

I don't know what to say other than that I'm so sorry. Most of us are here talking about friends who've transitioned, I can't imagine how hard it must be to have a parent get into that crap. Especially since, due to the 'stunning and brave' crowd, there's nowhere for kids of trans parents to get help that doesn't involve trying to reconcile them to their parent's delusion. Christ man. Can't begin to imagine what you're going through.

 

[Vect]

I'm so thankful for this thread since atm I'm unable to really talk about this practically anywhere without worrying about some kind of bad reaction.

Long story short, my dad decided this was a route he was going to take. I mean we all kind of knew for years because he would leave his purchases and online log-ins just out in the open sometimes. It's just so infuriating that because of him and his self-spending we are very deeply in debt, something that I hoped he would realize because he has KIDS that need to take on said debt whenever he passes. Instead he just left the house after deciding to go full troon recently and now nobody knows if hes going to keep up with helping the bills.
His work is supporting him because 'diversity' and he gets praise for being "brave" etc. Meanwhile my brother and I have to be bound to the house, bills, and mental weight of what he left. It's really agonizing knowing that I struggle to get money for my health (he caused, another story) and he can get therapy and do whatever he pleases. I just feel like when you already have been married, had kids, etc. Just drop the fucking troon nonsense. Grow up, it's too late to be that self centered that you still want to spend what could be used on your family.
I hope I didn't over share too much, accidentally PL'd once before, trying to avoid that.

If you mind me asking, it seems like you've known he's been a poor father for quite some time. Have you been confrontational with him in terms of finances? Would it be possible for you and your brother to cut him out of your life, make a clean break, justifying it to family and friends pragmatically?