Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[CzechHunter]

From my high school, a few years post graduation, I know of at least 4 guys who have transitioned. One textbook AGP (who was actually pretty good at women's fashion design before he trooned), an autist who got groomed by egg subreddits, a gay boy who used to prostitute himself for alcohol, and another gay with homophobic parents . I saw the AGP at a picnic a while back, and all he did was discuss bra sizing and how he got hit on by men on a train, so no sympathy there, but the rest of them? It just makes me really sad.

I was vaguely close to them, and I saw the problems they faced in their lives, and I just wish that they could have seen themselves the way I saw them. People who had made mistakes, people who had had struggles in their lives, but people who deserved to be loved for who they were. These people needed psychological help, in order to work through the problems that got them to this point. Someone to say, no, you're uncomfortable in social situations because you're autistic, not because people perceive you as male.

But, as my therapist often complains to me, in this state, trying to explore whether someone might not be trans is considered conversion therapy, so these people cannot get treatment that could literally save their lives!

 

[ReasonablyRetarded]

Reading through this reminded me of the last time it happened to me a few years ago & it was very much a kick in the nuts, especially because an extremely similar thing happened a year orso before this.
The short version is this:

Fell head over heels for a girl at a party and it was mutual, had an amazing night with her building a connection, spent the week texting and hanging out whenever we could & discovering we were similar to the point that it was scary. (Edit: mind you during this time we were both getting very (probably unhealthily) invested in this whole thing)
She went dark for a day, texted a mutual who knew her better to ask what was going on.
Turns out she was a closeted ftm troon this entire time, came out to her family who didn't take it well.
Explained to her when she got back on and we talked about what happened that I couldn't bring myself to date someone that was going to destroy their body and mind with hormones and surgeries & that when I said I'd wanted kids at some point, I meant of my own & my partner's flesh and blood, not via a surrogate.
A week of daily drinking, a pack and a half a day worth of cigs and heartbreak later and I was relatively over it.

 

[Ann Berlin]

Former butch lesbian, long-time-ago crush longtime friend is FTM now and getting teats yeeted next month. She already has male pattern baldness that's a striking contrast to her former thick full head of hair. I'm both glad and sad we never got together, I couldn't imagine dating a cute masc gal only to have her turn into a frog-voiced balding gender blob.

 

[Flexo]

A bit of laugh for the thread with a recent meme. Hope you had a decent holiday.

 

[Arianne Chan]

I am grateful to live in Latin America, here this tranny bullshit is still not so normalized (Those are first world problems)

Even so, there are already several victims of troonery, i have a friend who has fallen victim to this and now thinks that he is a "beautiful and busty woman" (When in reality he just uses a push-up bra under his clothes), he first started as a "femboy" and came out as "bisexual" but then it got worse

He is a childhood friend that i have had for several years but sadly it seems that we will no longer be able to continue like this, he has been bullied too much by other people, his girlfriend dumped him when she found out he used her dresses to take photos that he posted on Twitter, and he even got rejected by his parents, he currently resides with some people to whom he has to pay rent

I'm practically his only current friend by now (Not even on the internet many people support him), this whole situation is very sad to me, he will probably commit suicide soon, he has told me about his intentions and i have tried to comfort and support him but sadly it seems that I will not be able to...

 

[AfghanBlue]

The day has finally come, friends. A friend of my best/oldest friends has come out as trans, and he will be at our outing this week. I don't care about this guy, don't know anything about him except that he's married to a religious girl. We have all known eachother for a very, very long time, but he and I are the only ones not aquanited. I will need to be respectful and professional. I don't know how this is going to go.

Really trying not to out myself, but I know the chances of anyone from this group finding me here is next to 0. None of us in this group are Republican or conservative. I am probably the most right-leaning, but I am a very understanding person.

I was the only one in the group chat to not react to his little, brief "coming out" post, and was messaged by someone else asking if I had seen it. I stated that I will be respectful, but I have reserved feelings about this. No response yet.

I know this isn't any real contribution to the thread. I'm really worried that I'm going to slip up and get in trouble with some of my best friends, who I know are pro-trans, but don't know how I feel about it. We have never had a conflict in our years and years of friendship. I am not good at lying or putting on a poker face. This will be my first time dealing with a freshly cracked "egg".

Wish me luck, friends. If anything happens, I will be back here. While trans shit is everywhere, no one I know is actually keyed in to how complex / batshit it is.

what happened at your big troon mitzvah?

 

[high and tired]

My senior year camping trip group consisted of me and 4 other dudes. We were all in a “gifted” program throughout high school, so to speak. Well, now it’s me, a TIM, two enbies going by she/they pronouns, and the remaining straight guy.

The TIM, guess I’ll call him Jason instead of his birth name, was your average nerdy kid in high school. A bit autistic, involved in robotics, knowledgeable in history, leftist politics, programmer, but was kind. Never had a girlfriend or anything, never attended prom. Majored in computer engineering and trooned out post graduation. From what I can see, he doesn’t seem to be an AGP. Really, I don’t get why he trooned out. He keeps to himself on social media and doesn’t post all that nonsensical tranny propaganda bullshit. He went to the DC Pride last year, I think? He had longer hair, past his shoulders, wore the troon flag around his neck, and dressed like an autistic chick. I sincerely hope he hasn’t taken any HRT. It’s not in my position to “convert” him back to normal since we aren’t that close, but it seems like Jason can still recover within the next few years. I hope so, he’s a clever dude.

The two enbies didn’t feel comfortable as men and decided to go with female pronouns instead? That changes nothing, more insulting to the one biological female in the group than anything. They’ll never know what it’s like to be a woman, but I digress, we all know that. I hate that I’m required by current societal norms to refer to them by their new names and pronouns even in conversations that aren’t directly addressed to their faces. Why do we have to play pretend in their narcissistic delusions? We’re not children for fucks sake.

Lastly, I’ve lost high school and college acquaintances, specifically women, for speaking out against TIMs claiming to be women. Some shit about “you need to include ALL women in your feminism, TWAW! Stop calling trans women perverts and predators, that’s mean!!!!” It’s such an utter disappointment. Why bend your knee to the troons? What’s the gain? It’s taught me to keep my mouth shut and put away my Twitter fingers if I want to keep acquaintances around. But what’s the point if they all believe in it?

 

[blanketdog]

My senior year camping trip group consisted of me and 4 other dudes. We were all in a “gifted” program throughout high school, so to speak. Well, now it’s me, a TIM, two enbies going by she/they pronouns, and the remaining straight guy.

The TIM, guess I’ll call him Jason instead of his birth name, was your average nerdy kid in high school. A bit autistic, involved in robotics, knowledgeable in history, leftist politics, programmer, but was kind. Never had a girlfriend or anything, never attended prom. Majored in computer engineering and trooned out post graduation. From what I can see, he doesn’t seem to be an AGP. Really, I don’t get why he trooned out. He keeps to himself on social media and doesn’t post all that nonsensical tranny propaganda bullshit. He went to the DC Pride last year, I think? He had longer hair, past his shoulders, wore the troon flag around his neck, and dressed like an autistic chick. I sincerely hope he hasn’t taken any HRT. It’s not in my position to “convert” him back to normal since we aren’t that close, but it seems like Jason can still recover within the next few years. I hope so, he’s a clever dude.

The two enbies didn’t feel comfortable as men and decided to go with female pronouns instead? That changes nothing, more insulting to the one biological female in the group than anything. They’ll never know what it’s like to be a woman, but I digress, we all know that. I hate that I’m required by current societal norms to refer to them by their new names and pronouns even in conversations that aren’t directly addressed to their faces. Why do we have to play pretend in their narcissistic delusions? We’re not children for fucks sake.

Lastly, I’ve lost high school and college acquaintances, specifically women, for speaking out against TIMs claiming to be women. Some shit about “you need to include ALL women in your feminism, TWAW! Stop calling trans women perverts and predators, that’s mean!!!!” It’s such an utter disappointment. Why bend your knee to the troons? What’s the gain? It’s taught me to keep my mouth shut and put away my Twitter fingers if I want to keep acquaintances around. But what’s the point if they all believe in it?

Keep speaking out about it, even if in a more passive, toned down fashion. Even if it’s just in DMs. I promise you there are tons of women who do not subscribe to the idea and are always relieved to find men who don’t support it either. We’re not ready to just be spoken over and giving away our rights and shit to degenerates in dresses.

 

[Sonic Beaner]

I am grateful to live in Latin America, here this tranny bullshit is still not so normalized (Those are first world problems)

Even so, there are already several victims of troonery, i have a friend who has fallen victim to this and now thinks that he is a "beautiful and busty woman" (When in reality he just uses a push-up bra under his clothes), he first started as a "femboy" and came out as "bisexual" but then it got worse

He is a childhood friend that i have had for several years but sadly it seems that we will no longer be able to continue like this, he has been bullied too much by other people, his girlfriend dumped him when she found out he used her dresses to take photos that he posted on Twitter, and he even got rejected by his parents, he currently resides with some people to whom he has to pay rent

I'm practically his only current friend by now (Not even on the internet many people support him), this whole situation is very sad to me, he will probably commit suicide soon, he has told me about his intentions and i have tried to comfort and support him but sadly it seems that I will not be able to...

I'm from Mexico, and here is the same, the troon thing is almost nonexistent. Some friends of my son, he is in high school, started with the thing about dressing like boys and crap like that. But we are still not at the butchery stage here. Pretty sure that you would not find a doctor in my city that would dare to mutilate someone like they do in other first-world countries.

 

[Fapcop]

I'm from Mexico, and here is the same, the troon thing is almost nonexistent. Some friends of my son, he is in high school, started with the thing about dressing like boys and crap like that. But we are still not at the butchery stage here. Pretty sure that you would not find a doctor in my city that would dare to mutilate someone like they do in other first-world countries.

Spread the word my Beaner friend!

Once you go “Welp, I guess it’s their body and doesn’t hurt to be respectful”, next thing you know there’ll be a troon teacher wearing giant titties trying to groom your kids.

“There’s not a doctor here who’d…” is exactly what Americans said five-ten years ago.

 

[Real Centaur]

Asked my trans (ex-)friend how their Christmas went. The answer was, of course, about which of their family members committed which kinds of transphobic slight, and how hard it is to be transgender. No mention of how anyone else was doing or whether or not it was nice to see them, nothing about any activities they did, nothing about food or gifts, not anything but transness. With a lovely side of splitting the family into teams of transphobes and allies.

I don't know if they were always this completely narcissistic or if transitioning brought this out in them. Either way, I pity their family.

 

[Arianne Chan]

I'm from Mexico, and here is the same, the troon thing is almost nonexistent. Some friends of my son, he is in high school, started with the thing about dressing like boys and crap like that. But we are still not at the butchery stage here. Pretty sure that you would not find a doctor in my city that would dare to mutilate someone like they do in other first-world countries.

I'm Mexican too and it's good to know that, in my life I've only seen like 2 or 3 trannies IRL and one of these is my friend i originally talked about

Seguramente la gente los termina linchando como los vean en vivo...

 

[Sonic Beaner]

I'm Mexican too and it's good to know that, in my life I've only seen like 2 or 3 trannies IRL and one of these is my friend i originally talked about

Seguramente la gente los termina linchando como los vean en vivo...

Maybe in guadalajara, CDMX there is more of that.
Zona rosa maybe?

Right now the attack vector for these things in Mexico is at schools... Depending of where the kids study is the method that has the subversive things on it. They are still not in the troon phase, but some of the text in middle schoolsare starting to dip into the USA gender ideology thing. The UNOi system is guilty of that here, is pure indoctrination. I mean the math book on that particular system was more busy with social issues than actual math... That's one of the reasons I switched my kid to a more expensive school with a more "focus on subjects " approach.
The scary thing about this is that the normie families are not aware of the subtle changes that are being made into the schools curriculum to indoctrinate future generations. It is pretty much the mexican version of CRT and gender ideology that is being subvertily introduced in text books..... The ironic thing , this is on private school books not on goverment printed ones.

 

[Arianne Chan]

Maybe in guadalajara, CDMX there is more of that.
Zona rosa maybe?

In the north and in CDMX there are several people like this, it is mainly due to the gringo influence

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Spread the word my Beaner friend!

Once you go “Welp, I guess it’s their body and doesn’t hurt to be respectful”, next thing you know there’ll be a troon teacher wearing giant titties trying to groom your kids.

“There’s not a doctor here who’d…” is exactly what Americans said five-ten years ago.

Yeah people south of the border need to watch their backs, a bunch of insane Americans are moving down there because it's warm and cheap, this shit will swallow up your countries like a tidal wave unless you meet the very first incursion with a shotgun and a one way ticket back to California.

Hell, Californians ruined half the states in the Union now, what's going to stop them from devouring MX and all points south to Antarctica?

 

[glass_houses]

Asked my trans (ex-)friend how their Christmas went. The answer was, of course, about which of their family members committed which kinds of transphobic slight, and how hard it is to be transgender. No mention of how anyone else was doing or whether or not it was nice to see them, nothing about any activities they did, nothing about food or gifts, not anything but transness. With a lovely side of splitting the family into teams of transphobes and allies.

I don't know if they were always this completely narcissistic or if transitioning brought this out in them. Either way, I pity their family.

Is there even such a thing as a troon who isn't a clinical narc?

 

[Stoner Metal]

I feel like young boys who grew up in urban areas largely deprived of the experience of natural boyish adventure are hit by this awful malaise in their 20s and 30s. How many boys from rural areas, growing up fishing, camping, hiking, hunting, biking, etc, do you see trooning out? Not too many, I'd bet.

In the 1950's Americas population switched over from being over 50% living in rural areas to less than 50% living in rural areas. I am totally convinced that more than anything else, that is the root of so many of our problems in current year. The seeds to so much of what is wrong with the USA were sown in 1950s and prospered because living in urban/suburban hellscapes severely messes people up mentally.

 

[Miss Kiwifarms]

One of my friends came out to me as “non-binary” a little while back. He doesn’t know how I feel about all of the sub gender nonsense because I keep that to myself and don’t like to talk politics/hot button issues with friends. I can see past someone’s personal beliefs that I disagree with and still like them as a person if they have redeeming qualities, but I don’t trust most people to do the same.

When I first met him, I remember thinking that he was gay because he was a little effeminate and talked a certain way. I joked about that with him later after getting to know him and finding out he was straight. Obviously, he did not find it very funny as he had been judged that way his whole life. He wasn’t gay, he was just a slightly effeminate straight dude. Is that a fucking crime?

But you can’t be that anymore. You can’t just exist as straight or gay. If you are complex in any way, you are just an “egg” that needs to be “cracked.”

He had a hard life. Lost a ton of family. Was basically abandoned and left to fend for himself at a young age and was homeschooled when his parents skipped out so he was not under any kind of child protection radar. He‘s a guy with a big heart who never forgets a friend’s birthday and always shows up with a gift to remind you that even if you’re feeling alone you are not.

But he’s also a human being looking for a home and a sense of belonging and love. He hasn’t found it because society is fucked and he got dealt a shit hand in life.

So of course he’s fallen victim to this movement. This “found family” within the trans woke community. Ever since he fell for this shit he has been more miserable, depressed, and cynical than I have ever seen him. Some fucking family.

 

[Aubergine Stupendous]

I work as an elementary school counselor and thought I would never run into troonery of any sort but this year has been full of surprises.

I'm working with a girl who has a broken and shitty family, nothing too crazy at first but lots of separation and children from different dads under one roof. This girl deals with a lot but has a great attitude and is always smiling. She draws and writes letters to distant family and leaves me notes about how thankful she is to meet with me. Sometimes when we meet she uses my whiteboard to give little presentations about her week. Great kid. Then one day she starts telling me about her 16 year old brother, only she keeps mixing up pronouns from he to she. She explains her brother is now her sister and she has a hard time remembering what words to use. She then tells me the police came to their house "again" last night because her troon brother grabbed an axe and assaulted their stepdad. She and the mom hid in a bedroom and called 911. I guess the cops talked to the troon outside and just brought him back in like nothing happened and she's afraid it will happen again, as this isn't the first time they've called 911 on this dude.

Naturally I'm highly fucking concerned and check with some people to make sure every organization that could do something about it knows. I meet with the mom and she is clearly out of her depth and looks haggard. She gives some background detail and admits it has been hard for her and all I can think about is this 2nd grade girl who shares a roof with a potential troon axe murderer.

I know this isn't really losing someone to troonery but I am deathly afraid that this kid or any other that I work with will fall prey to this shit. Trans stuff keeps coming up even at elementary and we just put free tampons and pads in the boys bathrooms here which blows me away. Of course the kindergarteners just emptied the thing immediately but fuck, I really think it's coming here too and the thought of losing one of my kids to that shit haunts me.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Naturally I'm highly fucking concerned and check with some people to make sure every organization that could do something about it knows. I meet with the mom and she is clearly out of her depth and looks haggard. She gives some background detail and admits it has been hard for her and all I can think about is this 2nd grade girl who shares a roof with a potential troon axe murderer.

Are there any 2nd-grade-appropriate books about Lizzie Borden? You couldn't be accused of not honoring the troon's chosen identity, i.e. a female axe-wielding parricide.