Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Procrastinhater]

I feel like as people benefiting in many different ways from 21st century technology, you guys shouldn't be so quick to disallow trans people from doing so as well. Transition results could improve along with developments in technology if no-one got in their way. I don't see how this is a bad thing long-term and it only affects a small percentage of the population either way. I'm pretty sure a lot of you have tried playing a female character before in an MMO.

Lol this should be good. Explain to me how playing a female character on a fucking video game has anything to do with becoming such a coom obsessed pervert you chase a degenerate fetish so far down the rabbit hole it becomes the anchor stone of your entire life, and drives you to paying some unethical butcher to mutilate your genitals and poison yourself with wrong sex hormones?
Transexualism is no different from any other body dysmorphia, except we don't tell Anachans to starve themselves to "validate" them, or let people who feel they should have only one eye gouge their eye out, or have it removed surgically.
Trannys are extremely mentally ill and suffer from identity issues, and they get sold on the lie that "transitioning" (a medical impossibility as surgery and artificial hormones can no more turn you into the opposite sex than they could turn you into a leopard) is the quick fix cure all.
There's a reason they are no more stable after "transitioning" than before, they are mentally ill, and it's the only mental illness that we try to treat with surgery to make the person's body match their delusion, instead of dealing with the root cause.
You can't fix psychology with surgery, and its only greedy and unethical interests in Pharma and corrupt ideologues that have pushed this fantasy that you can.
What the hell any of this has to do with chosing a character on a fucking video game I don't know, but I'm sure you're ready to explain to us ignorant types?

I read your other post and I'm really not trying to be an asshole here, but have you ever considered that you're in all likelihood just gay?
You can't "transition" into the opposite sex. It's impossible with current medical and scientific knowledge, and it's literally just a delusion, amd I don't think it's right to mutilate the mentally ill in search of a quick fix that doesn't deal with the real issue.
Take a look through the SRS thread, that's the reality of these surgeries, not the lies that trannies push on other mentally ill people on Reddit.
It's brutal, innefective, and harmful.
Your idea of kindness is hurting people.
As for why people dislike trannies, you just have to go through the Tranny Sideshows thread, trannies, especially AGP's, are perverse, pushy, vindictive, misogynistic, and histrionic.
If "Transphobia" exists, it's because the actions of troons are repellent to decent peoples sensibilities and morals.
I'm not trying to be mean, but you're not gonna get sugar coated here.
We are mean and we are brutal, but we are honest we're not gonna hold your hand and coddle your fee fees here, but we will give you the cold hard facts that the Cult on Reddit and Twitter don't want you to know.
The dark truth behind the lies of the Transgender movement.
That's why the troons don't want people like you coming here, and that's why they want us gone from the Internet.
All the nasty facts, the brutal truth we archive here is backed up with facts and evidence.
We show what the transgender movement really is not what it tries to portray itself as.
It's not "politically correct" but it's the truth.

 

[pursuitsnail]

@Yrret

Spoiler: this probably comes off meaner than I intend, but it's called sperg for a reason

You cannot be a woman, no matter what drugs you take, what you cut off, what you feel, what you'd prefer, your WoW character, or what you wear. That's because 'woman' describes a physical reality, not because there's an evil feminist-kiwi axis gatekeeping you from whatever you think being a woman is. You're not a fish, a frog, a lizard, or a crocodile. You cannot change sex because humans are placental mammals. There's no noble sacrifice for the advancement of science that you can martyr your balls to. The entirety of your existence would have to be unwound and remade. A male you were conceived, a boy you were born, and a man you will die.

Trans convinces you that the root cause of whatever discomfort you have with yourself is because you were born in the wrong body. It sells you the lie that not only is transition a panacea that will cure whatever ails you, but that it's even possible to actually change sex. It provides safe harbor for discomfort with homosexuality and gender nonconformity by promising to straiten that out. It provides creep and criminal alike access to vulnerable people who they can force to participate in their fetishes. It promises a quick fix to complex psychological problems that take actual time and work to address. It shoves uncomfortable problems out of sight and out of mind.

You have a long and shitty road ahead of you to come to terms with yourself and reality. You don't need some shitposter on a forum to tell you that. What you do seem to need a shitposter to tell you is that in the long term making peace with being male is the path that's not going to end with you castrating yourself and fucking up your health.

Turn off the router, turn off your phone, put the kettle on and make yourself a cup of tea, grab a book, and just spend time offline and not ruminating on your gender. Hate-read JK Rowling's last detective novel if you want- it's quite the tome and should keep you busy for a while.

And maybe put less importance on whether your draenei paladin is male or female and more on not standing in the fire.

 

[Waifuchu]

At some point, society decided that it's always better to give somebody a nice, soft, comforting lie over an unpleasant truth, no matter how much damage it can cause in the long run. I don't really know when that happened, but seriously, just try applying the troon mindset to fucking anything else, and it's obvious that the enablers are, at best, drooling retards that at least mean well.

If some fucking teenager announces to their family: "Hey everyone, I feel like I was meant to be born with no eyes, so I've decided to gouge them out."
Nobody is going to be saying: "Good for you, you're very brave, don't let anyone tell you you're wrong, you're so heckin' valid."

But if that same idiot teenager wants to have her own tits cut off like the victims of some psychotic African warlord, the "supportive" thing to do is applaud her and do everything in your power to assist her? When the fuck did that happen? When the fuck did these loathsome excuses for parents decide that permanently mutilating their mentally-ill children is, in any way, the proper response instead of actually parenting them?

When I was 15/16, I wanted a tattoo. I knew the design I wanted, I knew where I wanted it, I specifically picked something that would be timeless enough to never be an embarrassment years later... And my parents told me that's great, I can get it when I turn 18. That isn't fucking abuse, that's good parents doing their job as good parents.

 

[Procrastinhater]

When I was 15/16, I wanted a tattoo. I knew the design I wanted, I knew where I wanted it, I specifically picked something that would be timeless enough to never be an embarrassment years later... And my parents told me that's great, I can get it when I turn 18. That isn't fucking abuse, that's good parents doing their job as good parents.

Did you end up getting the tattoo?

 

[Waifuchu]

Did you end up getting the tattoo?

Yeah, but I'm glad my parents had me sit on the idea for couple years to consider whether or not I really wanted to do something that would (possibly) last my entire life at an age where my brain isn't even fully developed yet.

And if I ever do regret it, removal is always an option, which is more than I can say for these poor bastards getting pumped full of hormones and stimulants while simultaneously having their own bodies surgically mangled beyond recognition.

 

[glass_houses]

@Yrret

Spoiler: this probably comes off meaner than I intend, but it's called sperg for a reason

You cannot be a woman, no matter what drugs you take, what you cut off, what you feel, what you'd prefer, your WoW character, or what you wear. That's because 'woman' describes a physical reality, not because there's an evil feminist-kiwi axis gatekeeping you from whatever you think being a woman is. You're not a fish, a frog, a lizard, or a crocodile. You cannot change sex because humans are placental mammals. There's no noble sacrifice for the advancement of science that you can martyr your balls to. The entirety of your existence would have to be unwound and remade. A male you were conceived, a boy you were born, and a man you will die.

Trans convinces you that the root cause of whatever discomfort you have with yourself is because you were born in the wrong body. It sells you the lie that not only is transition a panacea that will cure whatever ails you, but that it's even possible to actually change sex. It provides safe harbor for discomfort with homosexuality and gender nonconformity by promising to straiten that out. It provides creep and criminal alike access to vulnerable people who they can force to participate in their fetishes. It promises a quick fix to complex psychological problems that take actual time and work to address. It shoves uncomfortable problems out of sight and out of mind.

You have a long and shitty road ahead of you to come to terms with yourself and reality. You don't need some shitposter on a forum to tell you that. What you do seem to need a shitposter to tell you is that in the long term making peace with being male is the path that's not going to end with you castrating yourself and fucking up your health.

Turn off the router, turn off your phone, put the kettle on and make yourself a cup of tea, grab a book, and just spend time offline and not ruminating on your gender. Hate-read JK Rowling's last detective novel if you want- it's quite the tome and should keep you busy for a while.

And maybe put less importance on whether your draenei paladin is male or female and more on not standing in the fire.

@Yrret , my friend, you need to pay attention to this. Old school transsexual are usually very clear when they describe why they transitioned and the limits of the procedures they went through and the way they went on to live afterwards. All of the 'sane' transsexuals say the same thing: they are thoroughly aware that they are not really their chosen sex, but transitioning eased the screaming in their head somewhat, and they can look at their reflection in a mirror and sometimes feel almost okay.

But the screaming never stops entirely.

Body dysmophia is an absolutely horrendous mental illness, and it should be treated as a mental illness. And like many mental illnesses, it's infectious. It's like syphilis; it's disfiguring, it drives you insane, and people seem to feel a compulsive urge to spread it around. Transgenderism and body dysmophia are related but they're not the same thing. Some guys like makeup and girly things and love being a stay at home parent. That doesn't mean that they're really women on the inside. I've worked with female engineers who traveled the world, spoke four languages minimum, and turned smoke into high purity jet fuel and were very clear that they were never having children. That doesn't mean that they're really men on the inside. When the first dress was invented way back in history, the first cross dressing man was hot on its hem line. When the spear was invented, almost immediately a little girl decided that she'd rather go outside and throw it than stay in the cave with the women and raise babies. Neither of them were transsexual, they just didn't care to conform.

You want to wear pretty earrings and lipstick and perform in the Rocky Horror Stage show, you do you, my dude. Just make sure you've got the legs to go with those fishnet stockings. But for the love of god, don't take synthetic hormones or cut off your dick and balls chasing something you haven't the remote possibility of catching.

 

[Yrret]

@Yrret , my friend, you need to pay attention to this. Old school transsexual are usually very clear when they describe why they transitioned and the limits of the procedures they went through and the way they went on to live afterwards. All of the 'sane' transsexuals say the same thing: they are thoroughly aware that they are not really their chosen sex, but transitioning eased the screaming in their head somewhat, and they can look at their reflection in a mirror and sometimes feel almost okay.

But the screaming never stops entirely.

Body dysmophia is an absolutely horrendous mental illness, and it should be treated as a mental illness. And like many mental illnesses, it's infectious. It's like syphilis; it's disfiguring, it drives you insane, and people seem to feel a compulsive urge to spread it around. Transgenderism and body dysmophia are related but they're not the same thing. Some guys like makeup and girly things and love being a stay at home parent. That doesn't mean that they're really women on the inside. I've worked with female engineers who traveled the world, spoke four languages minimum, and turned smoke into high purity jet fuel and were very clear that they were never having children. That doesn't mean that they're really men on the inside. When the first dress was invented way back in history, the first cross dressing man was hot on its hem line. When the spear was invented, almost immediately a little girl decided that she'd rather go outside and throw it than stay in the cave with the women and raise babies. Neither of them were transsexual, they just didn't care to conform.

You want to wear pretty earrings and lipstick and perform in the Rocky Horror Stage show, you do you, my dude. Just make sure you've got the legs to go with those fishnet stockings. But for the love of god, don't take synthetic hormones or cut off your dick and balls chasing something you haven't the remote possibility of catching.

I was browsing the SRS thread and I can see the problems. I think that if you let (strongly opinionated) kids today start hormones early on, they wouldn't develop unwanted physiology and surgical technology would catch up by the time they're adults. But it's not reasonable to force them to wait until they're already adults and then tell them it's too late because they now look too much like their birth gender and transitioning wouldn't yield satisfactory results.

Restrictions around gender don't have to be as set in stone in the future as they are today, but if people insist on it and refuse to let societal norms keep pace with technological progress, it's going to mean unnecessary suffering for the next generation.

 

[The Skeksis Emperor]

What I don't understand is the reason for viscerally disliking trans people. You could just be opposed to aspects of the movement that aim to censor your speech or obfuscate reality.

If you lurk most of the general trans threads here you will see that a lot of kiwis have great sympathy for people with gender dysphoria, whether they agree with socially transitioning to combat it or not. Hell, this thread is filled with stories of people worrying about losing loved ones through transitioning. Many in the SRS//GRS want to protect trans/young people from soulless butchers.

The 'troons' we make fun and shit on are not targets because they are trans, it's because they are porn addicts, misogynists, spousal abusers, animal abusers, child abusers, cheaters, rapists, retards who try to break the internet, or a combination of all of the above. Identifying as trans is the least interesting thing about them, but the easiest thing to make fun of - and we hate it because they use it as a cover for shit behaviour. I challenge anyone to read the Kevin Gibes thread and not feel disgusted, and he is considered a trans icon by many TRAs to the point where several of them acknowledge that he inspired them to transition. It has also recently come to light that his spouse was responsible for the deaths of dozens of alpaca due to neglect while Kevin did nothing but post on twitter about cooming to hawt twans girls and buying plastic crap, and people still kiss his ass because trans.
I can understand if you don't know about the vile things many TRAs have done because they try to hide it and social media is an echo chamber. But your movement is fully infected by porn-addicted men who target women and children (and FTMs, by the way!) and no progress will ever be made as long as this remains true.

I hope you stick around the site to talk to us, for what it's worth. People are pissed at the TRAs but we still have good discussions here and people willing to argue in good faith.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Or that, out of boys who choose female avatars in videogames, a lot of them are just going to grow up to be fucking gay, no estrogen or neovag required?

or just grow up to be perfectly straight. A lot of kids are just messing around, i think everyone at some point tries to imagine being something they are not or to be in someone else's shoes for a day, humans develop empathy that way.

Kids to put it bluntly, are fucking stupid too. One shouldn' t project adult logic and ulterior motives to the things they do out of curiosity or innocence or take the things they say at face value.

When i was a kid, maybe 5 or something i too asked my parents for a doll, the reason was not about sexuality or gender norms at all. I liked to use my toys to invent my own cartoons plots and there were female characters in every cartoon so i figured why woudln't there be one in my toy play?. I just wanted a female cast member that batman and the ninja turtles could save and be friends with, why can't my red power ranger have Barbie as a girlfriend? child logic is naive like that. My mother only needed a minute talking to me to understand what my silly ass was going on about, it was her job as the responsible adult to know better instead of taking me straight to a gender clinic.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I can understand if you don't know about the vile things many TRAs have done because they try to hide it and social media is an echo chamber. But your movement is fully infected by porn-addicted men who target women and children (and FTMs, by the way!) and no progress will ever be made as long as this remains true.

The problem is, the troons rally around and protect their very worst members. Murderers, rapists, child abusers, they all get the troon shield, to the point that countries are changing their laws, specifically to protect them. It's like the gay "community" in the 70s, 80s and 90s, only worse, because of how openly it operates, and how quickly and how deeply it has wormed its way into every social institution.

So I'm not, as @Yrret suggests, going to just fight some minimal aspect of the transgender craze. I don't hate its victims, but I hate the movement, and I hate the people who push it, and I hate that it has so rapidly undermined equality and justice in every country it has infested. And I will continue to hate it for how it has consumed and ruined so many of my friends.

 

[NerdShamer]

buying plastic crap

There's that giant Unicron figure that costs over an thousand bucks, if I'm right. $575, excluding taxes. However, he can easily get an thousand for it...If he actually left it inside the original packaging.

 

[Waifuchu]

Restrictions around gender don't have to be as set in stone in the future as they are today, but if people insist on it and refuse to let societal norms keep pace with technological progress, it's going to mean unnecessary suffering for the next generation.

Yes, god forbid we let the next generation suffer by... Not surgically mutilating themselves and pumping their bodies full of dangerous chemicals in a vain attempt to convert their body into that of the opposite sex. And for what, because you believe that it's all fine because by the time they're adults, medical tech will have advanced to the point where they can swap out those pesky chromosomes?

If a paranoid schizophrenic declares that the voices in his head want him to shoot up a school, is society supposed to just smile and nod and play along with his delusions, because to go "No, you're fucked in the head, you're attempting to make decisions that will hurt you and everyone around you." would be causing him "unnecessary suffering?"

I think that if you let (strongly opinionated) kids today start hormones early on, they wouldn't develop unwanted physiology and surgical technology would catch up by the time they're adults.

And I think kids are, by definition, ignorant of reality and long-term consequences, because they are children and their minds aren't remotely developed yet. Are you kidding me? "Yeah, let little Jimmy chemically castrate himself today, he has very strong opinions that this is a good thing, and by the time he's an adult, surely surgery will have developed to the point that he can live out his delusions!"

When I was a fucking child, I was strongly opinionated that I should be allowed to eat nothing but cake and ice cream, and spend every waking moment of my day playing Nintendo 64. Thankfully, my parents did their job as parents and didn't let me do that, and because of their competency as parents, I'm not a morbidly obese hamplanet wracked by diabetes.

 

[Fapcop]

I was browsing the SRS thread and I can see the problems. I think that if you let (strongly opinionated) kids today start hormones early on, they wouldn't develop unwanted physiology and surgical technology would catch up by the time they're adults. But it's not reasonable to force them to wait until they're already adults and then tell them it's too late because they now look too much like their birth gender and transitioning wouldn't yield satisfactory results.

Restrictions around gender don't have to be as set in stone in the future as they are today, but if people insist on it and refuse to let societal norms keep pace with technological progress, it's going to mean unnecessary suffering for the next generation.

“Unwanted physiology”

Mate wat da fuck are you on about?

There is no such thing as “unwanted physiology”, Your body is your body, if you have a problem with it, that’s a psychological issue, not something you deal with by changing your body.

Do you also believe anorexics should be prescribed diet drugs? You know, to lose weight and get help with the”unwanted physiology” that’s causing then distress?

And get the F outta here with your “surgical technology”. Sure a plastic surgeon can do a little hacking and slashing and might even install a pair of bolt on tits, but they can’t make a woman/man look like the opposite gender.

 

[NerdShamer]

“Unwanted physiology”

Mate wat da fuck are you on about?

There is no such thing as “unwanted physiology”, Your body is your body, if you have a problem with it, that’s a psychological issue, not something you deal with by changing your body

I'd say show him that pic of Jazz Jennings in an bikini, but that was mainly from his eating habits

 

[Flamin Park]

Unfortunately yes. From what I have seen, it's based on the whole "lesbian women are vaginasexual, not lesbian because they don't want transwomen so they are bigots"

Plus it's pretty well known during these days that bisexuals are the number one targets in the LGBT. For some retarded reason, people don't like B because it's not "oppressed" enough.


Yep. I'm pretty sure you need to have a mental illness (gender dysphoria) in order to be considered trans. So essentially being trans is a mental illness.

Which makes the "non-dysphoric trans people" going on hrt all the more horrifying.

Tbf us bisexuals were always hated by a subset of gays and lesbians (surprise suprise the ones who make 'oppressed gay' their identity because we can have opposite sex relationships which BTFOs their stupid queer separatism (although bottom gays seem to love us because apparently we seem 'more manly')

Troons probably hate us even more because we don't even have a 'preference excuse' for not fucking them, which just highlights what utter failures they are; if they can't get laid with women well it's not unusual for men to have a dry spell, if they can't get laid with gay men then it's just because they're teehee so feminine
But bisexual men are a lot more likely to be whores and if we won't fuck you, it's not your sex, or your 'gender expression';
You're just ugly as fuck, intolerable, or both

And boy oh boy do they not like the inescapability of THAT revealation

Tbf I'm kinda down with ahem 'gay' ftms because the cute tomboyish ones think they have to prove what a gay man they are by being easy and taking it up the ass
Okay 'dude', whatever, bend over

Of course they can get enthusiastic dick and we both pretend we see them as men, but I only entertain their delusions for as long as it takes to nut in them

 

[DenseDeerFather]

I was browsing the SRS thread and I can see the problems. I think that if you let (strongly opinionated) kids today start hormones early on, they wouldn't develop unwanted physiology and surgical technology would catch up by the time they're adults. But it's not reasonable to force them to wait until they're already adults and then tell them it's too late because they now look too much like their birth gender and transitioning wouldn't yield satisfactory results.

Restrictions around gender don't have to be as set in stone in the future as they are today, but if people insist on it and refuse to let societal norms keep pace with technological progress, it's going to mean unnecessary suffering for the next generation.

Everyone is already grilling you but you cannot be serious about this, can you?

They are children ffs. Let them be children. They are ignorant dumb little shits with no concept of gender identity. They may be strongly opinionated but they also believe a fat man slides down their chimney to give them presents.

I used to say I was a boy back when I was four. Doesn't make me tranny and I'm certainly not alone in this,

Also as a side note, I've had actual trannies tell me that bottom surgery is very much a flawed procedure so don't act like it's the cure for cancer.

And you wanna talk about unnecessary suffering? How about the 42% suicide rate among transexuals? How can it be that we take severely mentally ill people and put them through hormones and surgeries and then wonder why they all kill themselves?

The whole concept of transgenderism is built upon mental illness and feeding them delusions about them becoming the magic pixie boy/girl from their Japanese animes won't fix shit.

Edit: Judging from your post history, you are exactly the type of person whom I was referring to when I mentioned delusions. You were exposed to some weird shit as a child and it fucked you up to the point where you convinced yourself that you're a transwoman.

What you need is a good dose of therapy and/or psychiatric treatment that doesn't groom you into thinking you're a woman but addresses the deep-rooted issues you deal with.

You are insane but I feel sorry for you

 

[NerdShamer]

Judging from your post history, you are exactly the type of person whom I was referring to when I mentioned delusions. You were exposed to some weird shit as a child and it fucked you up to the point where you convinced yourself that you're a transwoman.

So can't we just convince the mods to give him this award?

 

[RazorBackBacon]

I was browsing the SRS thread and I can see the problems. I think that if you let (strongly opinionated) kids today start hormones early on, they wouldn't develop unwanted physiology and surgical technology would catch up by the time they're adults. But it's not reasonable to force them to wait until they're already adults and then tell them it's too late because they now look too much like their birth gender and transitioning wouldn't yield satisfactory results.

Puberty blockers are irreversible. It's not like an app you can just not install on your phone and then go back in and install later. Children do not get to make decisions about irreversible changes done to their bodies.

You are vastly overestimating how fast surgical technology advances. The difference between 14 and 19 is only 5 years and medical advances are not made that quickly. That's why my first response to you specified we are "decades or centuries" out from appropriate medical technology.

And in the case of MtF surgery, a full-matured adult penis is needed to construct a full franken-vag. Putting a male on puberty blockers literally leaves them with not enough material to work with.

 

[pursuitsnail]

@Yrret
Puberty is necessary not just for physical maturation, but also to growing up intellectually and emotionally. Puberty blockers are not a pause button because time cannot be stopped. Puberty doesn't just resume when you take them off or start injecting hormones. In the process of blocking puberty you can fuck up a person's endocrine system. You can also completely fuck up their kidneys, liver, and bones. The end result may be a person who is stunted both in mind and body who may never develop the ability to coom, let alone have children (even should they not go on cross sex hormones), reliant on a constant supply of drugs to function as they get osteoporosis and liver failure in their twenties.

One day maybe these gendered expectations won't be set in stone? lol. Trans activism is deeply invested in making these expectations concrete, inescapable, and ruthlessly applied.

Trans' fixation on conformity to specific gender expressions and insistence on them being deeply meaningful is what causes the modern trans phenomena. Because you're trapped in a world view that stresses more than anything else the importance of aligning perceived sex to gendered behavior you create a mental health crisis. The lower you push the age down when you start 'transitioning' a child, the more damaging the crisis you create when puberty happens. This crisis is manufactured by you, and happens entirely because you directly and intentionally caused it by lying about reality to someone who does not yet have the capacity to figure out that you are dissociated from your body.

This crisis never has to happen.

Let go of the gendered expectations. Not some time in the nebulous future, but right now.

Don't lie to people about the reality and immutability of sex. Don't sabotage someone's ability to accept themselves and do not prey on the vulnerable.

Or maybe just be upfront about how you want to sterilize autists, effeminate boys, and tomboys and use them for human experiments that fuck them up physically and mentally because of your personal issues. Or maybe address your depression so you're able to think about the long term instead of being trapped ruminating on what if you could have never gone through puberty. You could never have been a woman, no matter how early you castrated yourself, because a woman is not a castrated man. This is a dragon no one can catch.

Seriously, see a doctor about your depression.

 

[PBR Streetgang]

In my tinfoil moments I wonder if the huge push towards trooning isn't socially engineered as a way to counter the coming overpopulation crisis.
It certainly could be argued to be a form of eugenics, as it involves sterilizing the mentally ill, as only the delusional would fall for it. It just seems to me to be too much of a coincidence that it sterilizes the most useless members of society.

Deep Thoughts about Society and Troonage

Spoiler

There's some evidence that mammals (including humans) have historically self-regulated their populations when they got too high. And not from homicide/infanticide, disease, or famine, either, but things like pairing off later or not at all, reproducing less frequently, etc. That all sounds fine. But what if a natural reaction like that got way, way unnatural and out of control, as a reaction to a deeply unnatural and inhuman environment? Animals get weird AF in captivity sometimes...
Idk, I studied history not biology or whatever, but sometimes I wonder if we're doing this to ourselves. I'm aware of big business troon astroturfing and how pharmaceutical companies and identity politics benefit from it all, but still, sometimes I wonder if on some deeper primal level, a whole lot of humans are just going haywire and mutilating their genitals because the conditions for reproduction are so dire. People seem to be slowly accepting things like pedophilic tendencies, suicide, fatherless homes, etc. I'm not saying that losing your mind, watching porn all day, and chopping your dick off is a good or natural response to that, but like, I'm not surprised.

I know the one you mean without even watching the video. I nearly put my fist through the fucking wall watching that dumb little selfish cunt the first time round, I'm not looking to see her face again.
That baby should be taken off her and her and her fucking dumbfuck boyfriend should be prosecuted.

It never ceases to amaze me that earlier within my lifetime women like that 110% would have been institutionalized in the US, no question. And I'm not even that old.

As for the latest disturbed kid up in the thread: No amount of SRS improvement (lol good luck waiting on fantasy wombs btw) will ever make it a good idea. "Passing" 100% of the time (again, not gonna happen, but let's say hypothetically) still means living a lie. Embracing a ridiculous postmodern meme and porn-brain way of life and living a lie.

If surgeries were perfected, suicide rates among post-op troons would go UP. They'd have nothing to hang their hats on or hope for with the next revision surgery (or the one after that, or after that.) They'd have to face themselves even sooner, and the fact that it fixed nothing, because "gender dysphoria" is not the primary sickness, just a symptom.