Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

He's probably the first guy who ever pursued her. It must have been easy for him to lovebomb her into agreeing with his insanity. I think you are right that I can't help her but I do hope she will eventually get the help she needs and be able to separate from the horrible parasite that has latched itself to her.

It's too early to say if you can or can't help her. Look at the people here, the number of farmers who used to be deep in the gender sauce isn't zero. And online so many evil terfz are former transwidows who woke up one day to realize they had been used and abused. Just don't be an edgy fucker about it. Send her a nice message when you say that you are motivated by your concern for detransitioners and your knowledge of those results of trans surgeries you happened to be aware of (what's the revision rate for neo-penis, 150%?) , rather than by any hate for the transgender community. Be a little neutral and detached about it but tell her that if she needs to talk about it in a reasonable manner she can always confides in you and that even if it doesn't seems so now you will always be a friend to her and wish the best for her. Even if she chimps out, don't reach to her level, if she insults you further just left her on read but don't block her.

That's how you save people from cults: you keep in touch from time to time so that the day they start to have enough they know someone on the outside to reach to. So many people on this thread are too forceful and burn bridges too early with their gender friends, but that's a pity, because it contributes to the isolation of those people. If they don't know anybody who hasn't drank the gender koolaid, then it's their whole world and it's harder and harder for them to see reality. They are told anybody who is ever-so-slightly-critical is in truth, deeply hostile and hateful, don't let it be true.

If later things go south for her and she is tired of doing all the chores for her "girlfriend" she will need someone help water the seed of sanity that went dormant in her brain. If you aren't an asshole now that could be you later.
 
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You've made some excellent points. I don't think there's anyway her "lesbian" relationship will last long, and I definitely want to be there for her if she comes out the other side questioning her beliefs. Thanks for giving me some hope and sorry if I sounded too doomer-y. It's easy to feel bleak when faced when this stuff. I'm not the right person to help her with all her problems, but if she needs to touch grass and talk to someone outside of discord servers and tumblr then I've got her covered. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure she's already written me off as a bigot who can't be reasoned with because I didn't repent the way she wanted me to. I saw her vague-posting about it on one of her social media accounts: that she gave a bigot transphobe the opportunity to admit their mistakes, but fascists will never do that and that's why they need to be "destroyed". Really hurt my feelings to see it. I think I'll give her a few days or even a week to calm down and then just write that I'm sorry I upset her and that I hope she's ok. I kind of get the impression from her first rant that she hates detransitioners cuz they're fake-trans who do nothing but damage the image of the trans community, so I'm not sure an appeal to sympathy for them would do anything other than make her mad again. Maybe one day she'll be open to hearing that but that might be some ways off.
 
Long time lurker, first time poster. Seems like lots of people are using this thread to vent and feel sane, so that's what I'm doing.

My cousin never really stood a chance against the trans craze. Her severe autism was obvious from a young age, but her weirdly sheltering, overbearing mother either couldn't see it or refused to see it; when cousin got officially diagnosed in her teens her mother seemed devestated. Because of this blindness to her daughter's condition, cousin was just coddled and protected from all the problems her behaviour caused her; she couldn't keep friends, her mother enabled all of her bad behaviours and demands, she was allowed to spend hours a day on the internet.

I liked my cousin. She was not good in social situations, and conversations could be grating, but we got along well, especially when we were kids. She was fascinated with art, and showed some real promise as she practiced and improved. Unfortunately the tranny ideology comes hand-in-hand with exposure to porn, so now she just does commissions for people with disgusting sexual fetishes. Her mother essentially supported her doing this, even when cousin was underage (this fact is particularly horrific in retrospect.)

As I grew up, she didn't, and gradually we grated on each other a lot. I had a phase of calling myself genderfluid when I was a troubled teen, and I think she was very upset when I grew out of it. One day she stopped talking to me for no reason. Much later she claimed she didn't remember why and wanted to be friends again. I said no.

I feel some guilt that I didn't stay in her life, that maybe I could have saved her from her transition, but I tell myself she was too far gone. Gender is pretty much all she can talk about besides sex and TV shows.

Last I heard she was travelling to a foreign country to meet a tranny she only knew from the internet. This girl can't (or won't) even cook for herself. She's the most vulnerable grooming/kidnap risk I've ever seen. Her mother couldn't grasp that there was any danger. I despair for my cousin.

Tl;dr: severely autistic cousin was groomed online for years, allowed by her mother to draw NSFW commissions when she was underage, and was recently enabled to meet a total stranger in a foreign country.
 
It's heartbreaking that this is happening to her. She's one of the sweetest people I've ever known, but she was always a weird-art-chick outcast and there were tons of red flags that she might end up going down the gender rabbit-hole. After she started drawing gay fanart I was always worried it would be her doing the trooning, but I never saw it coming that it would her doing the troon. He's probably the first guy who ever pursued her. It must have been easy for him to lovebomb her into agreeing with his insanity. I think you are right that I can't help her but I do hope she will eventually get the help she needs and be able to separate from the horrible parasite that has latched itself to her.
fuck it, go nuclear.
just send her image after image from this particular post's selection
 
I met this tranny when he already transed, but he still refuses to fix anything about his life. I'm unsure if this belongs here or in a different thread, so feel free to tell me off.
Foreword:
When I find an insect in my house, I capture it and have it as my 'Desk Buddy' until I grow bored of observation. The name 'Desk Buddy' eventually evolved into 'Debbie.'
I first met Debbie on a video game forum, after which when we started getting into voicecalls, he quickly revealed that he was trans. I didn't know already as when I was that age, I was barely aware of trannies because God loves me. My first reaction to Debbie was apathy; after all, I already thought that he was a she due to the profile and the voice passed remarkably well when I wasn't actively paying attention, so what could go wrong?

Well, after this reveal I never actually believed that Debbie was a woman and neither did most of our other friends. I clearly remember a call where we held an intervention and asked Debbie if he could just stop being a tranny. He told us some bullshit about voice training and sunk-cost. So we moved on and accepted it, and I told Debbie that he was akin to a three-legged dog. You know it's not going to be as fast or as successful as the other dogs, but it looks cute so you don't put it down.

I related to Debbie because he and I had a vaguely similar home situation, only he grew up with both parents and was never homeless. He could (and can) escape his situation, while for factors outside of my control, I could not. Over time this sympathy has dried up, as I have worked to make my life better while he has wallowed in his own self-pity and learned-helplessness. Debbie is absolutely incapable of realizing the future, has tried to get onto disability (which really fucking pissed me off, that's like giving up before you try), and has no concept of what women are like. He wants his dommy mommy lesbian relationship and refuses to believe that those women DO NOT EXIST FOR HIM.
This goes on for four years. I improve my shit life, he wallows. I still feel sympathy though, because I understand him, I really do.

Then there's a meetup. Before this, a few of my other online friends had already moved into the same state, so they and I were interacting IRL regularly and having an actual relationship. Now it was time for the tranny to visit.
I'm not entirely sure why, but I wasn't expecting Debbie to be quite as male as he was. I should have expected it, I've never believed in trannies, yet his stature still surprised the brain that had been calling him 'she' for years. I'm a short woman, so saying that someone is tall doesn't take much for me, but Debbie was tall to me and had some of the manliest man shoulders I have ever seen in my fucking life. He's wearing a bright colored shirt and tights, and his hair has been horribly dyed. I still hug him when I pick him up from the airport, and thank God he has good hygiene.

He's staying with my friends during the visit (and dear Lord have they told me some shit) and I recruit all of them to help me move apartments. Notably, Debbie is very quiet, has little to no physical strength or endurance, and does whatever I say whenever I say it, immediately. Later that night I visit their house and as my friends are debating what to order for dinner, I shut them the fuck up and make a meat and vegetable pie from whatever I find in their fridge.
Debbie honest to God cries when he eats the pie, as his parents only ever ordered fast food, and he doesn't go with them to the grocery store. Even though my friends and I have been telling him how easy it is to cook your own food for years to no avail, I am still sympathetic.

Barely one or two days after this, a total of four to five days since Debbie arrived in our state, I ask him to help me move the last few boxes from my house at night, as my other friends have jobs. At this point I haven't slept for over a day, as the deadline is coming up and I need to hustle to get everything out. He gets into my car but then tells me he forgot something. He comes back with a drink of some kind. It's clear and I can't smell anything due to open windows, so I assume it's water. (He was underage and I had only just turned the legal drinking age and don't drink anyways, but I really should have known better.)
We're talking, moving boxes, everything is fine.
But then on the way back to my friend's house his behavior changes. He starts telling me in detail about his sexual fantasies, mentioning being 'pegged against the wall until he was dripping.' My stomach dropped, my ears felt fuzzy, and I was considering the best course of escape, thinking 'If I slow the car down to 30mph is it safe to jump?' This situation he had put me in was similar to something I had experienced as a child, and it was happening again. He started mentioning me specifically while talking, only to eventually say 'But I would never do that to you, (name). You're too... (name), y'know?' He is giggling because he's a fucking lightweight and I'm trying to not panic, while calculating how difficult it would be to beat the shit out of a tipsy tranny. My friend group aren't the kind of people to talk about personal sex shit, not online and definitely not off.

Nothing physical occurs. I take him home and a few days later I tell my other friend, the one Debbie is staying with, everything that happened. He's more angry that the troon stole alcohol from him, which I was unaware of, but thankfully his fiance immediately understands what I went through and, I assume, explains why he needs to be angry at Debbie for creeping on me. To this day, some of my friends try to use the fact that Debbie was tipsy to make an excuse for what happened, even though Debbie himself has apologized heavily to me and said that it wasn't excusable.
Thinking back on it, I realize now that driving him 70mph down a freeway at night while listening to 80s pop music was probably a scene straight out of one of his animes. He made me watch Evangelion because he loved that show, so I think as I drove him around that night he probably felt like Shinji.

Furthermore, the situation would have been exactly the same had he not been a relatively well-presenting tranny, and was instead visibly a fat incel neckbeard. I don't know why this didn't occur to me until now.
It's been a few years since that night and I still talk to Debbie, but that's just it. He's a Debbie now. An insect on my desk to be observed and dropped at any moment.

In his whole life has had one job and he quit after two weeks.
Conclusion: I used to call him 'the only acceptable tranny.' This was wrong of me.
There are no good trannies.
 
A friend texted me out of the blue that she was sorry if she was ever rude to me about her trans identity. She cut me off years ago for being transphobic (I told her that maybe she is using it as a poor coping mechanism for her issues) and joined a new friend group of FTMs. A week ago, she was approved for testosterone and shared it with her fellow Aidens and had planned a titchop a few months from now. She told me that once she took the first shot, she looked into the mirror hoping to begin "her new life" but she said when she locked eyes with her reflection, something in her snapped. She threw the bottle and needles away and forced herself to puke. She couldn't stop crying and had a complete mental breakdown (she said she felt like she was dying). Then she drove out to the middle of nowhere and slept in her car, hoping someone would kill her. When that didn't happen, she said that it was a sign that she was on the right path (those who just left a cult are at their most vulnerable). She told me that I was the only person who would listen to her about this and that I was right about her hiding behind transness so she didn't have to face her issues. It's weird because she is very smart and is in the medical field, but mental illness does not discriminate I guess. She DFE'd her social media, goes to the gym everyday to connect to her female body and got a dog.

Another friend told me that he thought about trooning out because he likes drag (he's a furry I knew he was a lost cause). I told him that trooning out over that is retarded. He agreed that it was retarded, and trooned out anyway.
 
He wants his dommy mommy lesbian relationship and refuses to believe that those women DO NOT EXIST FOR HIM.

That woman doesn't exist period unless you're paying her by the hour.

This is such a common symptom of porn sickness mixed with autism. Like, they really can't tell reality from fantasy - porn isn't real, ao3 slash fics aren't real, no one in real life is going to magically come and take care of you and make you whole or make their life 110% about self actualizing you with no needs or wants of their own.

They honestly think trooning out is the Konami code for living happily ever after, and it's just pathetic.
 
That woman doesn't exist period unless you're paying her by the hour.

This is such a common symptom of porn sickness mixed with autism. Like, they really can't tell reality from fantasy - porn isn't real, ao3 slash fics aren't real, no one in real life is going to magically come and take care of you and make you whole or make their life 110% about self actualizing you with no needs or wants of their own.

They honestly think trooning out is the Konami code for living happily ever after, and it's just pathetic.
He's definitely the type to believe that trooning out or getting into a relationship will fix all of his problems, not capable of acknowledging that he is sick in the head and nothing will change that. He went through a phase of trying to ascribe some sort of hormonal disorder to himself as some kind of excuse for his delusions. Not even honest enough to admit that it's not a physical problem he has, just rampant narcissism hidden by a veneer of crippling self-doubt and disgust. All the while he's waiting in his house for a girlboss white knight to break down his door and carry him off while praising his bravery and strong will and unique perspective.

Just keep reading those wikipedia articles and watching anime, Debbie. I'm sure your knight is on her way.

He's genuinely the most pathetic individual I have ever personally known and sometimes I struggle to wrap my head around how someone can sink that low.
 
He's genuinely the most pathetic individual I have ever personally known and sometimes I struggle to wrap my head around how someone can sink that low
People who refuse to fix themselves tend to develop the conviction that a 'relationship' with a 'soul mate' will solve all their problems. This is why mentally and physically vulnerable women end up with abusers so often, because they're basically looking for a parent they can have sex with, not realising that most normal men find their co-dependency issues rather frightening. Trying to convince a woman like this that she needs to fix her own problems is literally impossible. I've spent nearly a decade trying to explain to a particular friend exactly why she's single and childless at forty and she absolutely refuses to listen to a single fucking thing I say. I was recently introduced to a subset of NPD called 'submissive narcissism' and holy fuck, did the bells ring in my head. Not just about her, but multiple men and women who've tried to attach themselves to me over the years. The women are usually more subtle than men, which made them so much harder to shake. None of the guys ever seemed to grasp that they were never going to meet the love of their life if they spent that entire life complaining how unfair it is that they keep being rejected. It was impossible for them to grasp that everything they did to try and con a woman into being the host to their parasite was in fact chemical vagina repellent. I've read articles maintaining that autists with personality disorders are rare. I personally believe that autists with NPD are actually relatively common. Empathy and theory of mind is something autists must work to develop, and if they refuse to put in the work, at a certain point the ability to do so just fades away. And you end up with a severely socially impaired narcissist.
 
about how all trans people are lovely and valid, and their neo-organs are indistinguishable from natal ones, and that they're all so perfect in their understanding of their "true selves" that no real trans person would ever make the mistake of getting a surgery they'd regret. She went on to say anyone who regrets the surgery was never really trans, and that I "shouldn't believe everything I read online".
As someone with less patience than you, if I were in your shoes I would've straight up told her that "anyone who regrets the surgery was never really trans" is a very strong argument to gatekeep everyone who is planning on getting SRS.
 
I personally believe that autists with NPD are actually relatively common. Empathy and theory of mind is something autists must work to develop, and if they refuse to put in the work, at a certain point the ability to do so just fades away. And you end up with a severely socially impaired narcissist.

I definitely believe this to be the case. I've met several "full on" autists who lack these skills and can't mentally comprehend that people are individual entities and not one big hivemind. They also entirely lack the ability to problem-solve, because in their mind we're there to do it for them. Even the most trivial of issues. It's frightening, especially when they look at you with these dark soulless eyes that human husks who lack a sense of self so often have. But that's neither here nor there; just wanted to reassure you that you are on to something.
 
I definitely believe this to be the case. I've met several "full on" autists who lack these skills and can't mentally comprehend that people are individual entities and not one big hivemind.
They also tend to suffer faceblindness, meaning that they literally can't tell the difference between male and female faces, among other things.
 
Autism was named after the self (auto + ism, by Eugen Bleuler) because the defining features of the original category was all about the social disinterest, detachment from external reality etc. Although it was also considered a childhood manifestation of schizophrenia.

There's been a huge comorbidity of autism and transgender identity irl for me, although also the autistic people I've met have all been very demanding and quite manipulative to get what they want, leaning hard on the social infantilisation as a tactic, rather than the naivety / openness being as genuine or inherent as it's normally portrayed. But I've only met high-functioning / basically normal ones who just didn't want to grow up, none that needed to be in group homes or anything. If we stopped infantilising autistic people or allowing them to infantilise themselves, would we correspondingly have less of them trooning out / less of a phenomenon in general?
 
If we stopped infantilising autistic people or allowing them to infantilise themselves, would we correspondingly have less of them trooning out / less of a phenomenon in general?
Well, it'll solve the issue with the welfare leeches; but them trooning out is allegedly them being unable to process that an guy can have feminine interests and still be just an average-looking man with an few closeted fetishes.
 
Autism was named after the self (auto + ism, by Eugen Bleuler) because the defining features of the original category was all about the social disinterest, detachment from external reality etc. Although it was also considered a childhood manifestation of schizophrenia.

There's been a huge comorbidity of autism and transgender identity irl for me, although also the autistic people I've met have all been very demanding and quite manipulative to get what they want, leaning hard on the social infantilisation as a tactic, rather than the naivety / openness being as genuine or inherent as it's normally portrayed. But I've only met high-functioning / basically normal ones who just didn't want to grow up, none that needed to be in group homes or anything. If we stopped infantilising autistic people or allowing them to infantilise themselves, would we correspondingly have less of them trooning out / less of a phenomenon in general?
We require a gentle boot out into the world and to follow the same ruleset as everyone else. We're all about certainties, if there's a separate bunch of rules for autists than for others then that will be their foundation set in stone.

Lucky me I was brought up with a Christian work and care ethic that set in stone instead. Don't think we can ever do 'normal' or compete socially, but we can sure as shit learn to tolerate and function in society if we're determined enough. Doing a public facing job and having a goal strong enough that we WANT to succeed in it helps. True empathy isn't programmed into us, it's something we have to learn the hard way and practice regularly.
 
Was lurking for a while, figured I'd make my lengthy piece here. Not really a "lost a friend to the troon cult" thing, and more like a "oh god what the fuck did i get myself into" thing. Feel free to tell me off if this really ain't the spot for it.
So I've got this online friend, talked for at least a few years now. A couple personal, really convincing events that I ain't gonna say due to it being, well, personal, have lead me to believe she's a chick; now I absolutely do not give a shit about online dating and just treat people the same no matter who or what they are, y'know none of that "omg ur a girl??? *tips fedora* m'lady~"-type shit.
But this one, I thought in my head, is a keeper. 'Cuz she's just legitimately so sweet to me, and, honestly, was there when I was kinda at my lowest. She was someone who believed in me and actually let me help her get by when I felt like the exact opposite -- no-one who believed in me, and when I always tried to help people I'd just get shit on and indirectly called worthless. And admittedly, we've also flirted around the concept of dating.
But here in lies the problem, the events *convinced* me, but I don't have any legitimate proof that this isn't just some troon who's only being nice to me because she's actually a he just using me to help him pretend he's just some cute girl. Now this problem has existed since the very adage of the internet, but the problem is that whereas before I could just be a bit disappointed that I was catfished, nowadays I'd be probably hunted down for rejecting the "feminine penis" or the axe wound or whatever if we met up in a public place.
And although we jokingly call each other faggots and play vidya and just talk about whatever, and while I believe our talks probably would send the troon crowd into a rage, there's really been no discussion of politics, which I'd like to think is perfectly normal. We occasionally just link each-other dumb shit from twatter that we think is funny regardless of where it's from, but a decent amount on her end comes from troons -- which, devil's advocate, you really can't avoid on twatter I think. It also doesn't help that she accidentally linked some dumbass "transphobes taking L's"-type thing by accident that was just some dumb ratio, which I just swept under the rug back then 'cuz we were just friends at the time and I was a dumbass not to at least give my take on it.
Like, I really don't want to believe that I'm just being a friend just because I enable that sort of delusion, man. Like, what if "she" really is just a troon who believes in that sort of shallow shit and is just using me?
So I've been tossing some litmus(?) tests, just posting shit from twatter accounts some troons might find 'problematic' without it looking obvious; none of them really got any sort of response. At some point in time though, I'm gonna have to pop that question; it's just a matter of not looking shallow myself I think. Like if she really was a naive girl just supportive of troons and hasn't seen the Keffals nor the bathtub HRT shit yet (which i can't blame as she's an incredibly busy sort, no time for politics), It'd probably be pretty bad if I just come swinging with "ayo are you a troon or not."
I dunno man, just needed to get my grievances off about this dumbass situation I got myself in.
 
my ex didnt technically go trans herself but she did hang out with a bunch of trannies and woke people and then she just became an entirely different person. like, the type of woman who thinks its ok to go to parties with all dudes and shit

she actually used to say nigger and stuff before she hung out with woke retards and when i showed her the old messages she just denied them and shit, it fucks you up to just slowly watch them brainwash someone you care about into a woke zombie its really fucked up
 
For anyone that might need the resource (or knows anyone in the awful situation of a husband suddenly trooning out), I highly recommend the mumsnet forum 'trans widow escape committe'. It's an empathetic and informative group made up of hundreds of women in that exact situation, offering advice and commiseration.
(I can't reply to your post @Momerath but I think your mum's best friend might benefit from this, if you can find a way to get it to her)
 
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