Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Slideshow Bill]

>be 13 year old me
>be friendless loser
>parents put you in music summer camp to make friends and stop playing vidya
>some incredibly flamboyant boy (let's call him Jake) wants to hang out with me
>sure whatever
>we bond and we share a music group
>yadda yadda yadda
>we end up going to the same high school and placed in orchestra
>make more friends and have a great time not being a friendless loser
>one day I see Jake with some little boy in the hallways and ask him about it
>"oh he's my cousin"
>shouldn't a boy that young be in school (Jake was 16, boy looked 11/12)
>think it's a little suspicious but brush it off
>weeks later and Jake hasn't been to school in a couple of days
>he randomly got expelled one day
>details are fuzzy but the bottom line is that that little boy wasn't related to him at all and there are very few justifiable reasons why you'd be hanging out with a little boy that's not related to you
>school covered it up quick
>Immediately go to cyberstalk him
>his name is of the "John Smith" variety so finding him was near impossible
>I try again a year later and some girl sends me his social media and I see a very fat faced, tube-titted HSTS with his "Joan Smith" name
>wegothim
>dating another HSTS and planning to become a teacher
>one day he DFE
Knowing all the harm tranny pills cause to people, I can only say that I don't know anyone more deserving.

 

[Gollum Grindset]

- once he wanted me to stuck a banana into his ass

I didn't realize you were dating the Amazing Atheist

 

[Panzerfrau]

I didn't realize you were dating the Amazing Atheist

Fun fact, before trooning out he was a huge fan of all those atheist/mgtow youtubers like Teal Deer and that armor guy who was banging shoe.
I wasn't a smart kid, not a smart kid at all.

 

[BunchofMunch]

OK, I'm bringing two cases here that aren't really "loved ones" (to me), but it just bothers me so much I have to share it in a safe space:
Two acquaintances from my university has now trooned out, both doing the "exact same face and body but with long hair and a dress" type of transition and both have girlfriends/wives. One of them even has a kid and one more on the way. Both are very typical engineers, nerdy and with very male interests, but neither of them has ever stricken me as very autistic (just a little bit shy maybe, but not awkward or weird) or in the deep end when it comes to SJW stuff, so it came as a surprise to see the both of them suddenly "coming out" as MTF in a pretty short period of time. One of them did it on Facebook recently, and seeing a lot of mutual friends being all "wow, so brave " kind of grossed me out tbh.
I don't know where I'm going with this, just that it bothers me I guess. And the same way some people are now shouting "save the tomboys", I would like to add "save the nice, nerdy guys"!

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

OK, I'm bringing two cases here that aren't really "loved ones" (to me), but it just bothers me so much I have to share it in a safe space:
Two acquaintances from my university has now trooned out, both doing the "exact same face and body but with long hair and a dress" type of transition and both have girlfriends/wives. One of them even has a kid and one more on the way. Both are very typical engineers, nerdy and with very male interests, but neither of them has ever stricken me as very autistic (just a little bit shy maybe, but not awkward or weird) or in the deep end when it comes to SJW stuff, so it came as a surprise to see the both of them suddenly "coming out" as MTF in a pretty short period of time. One of them did it on Facebook recently, and seeing a lot of mutual friends being all "wow, so brave " kind of grossed me out tbh.
I don't know where I'm going with this, just that it bothers me I guess. And the same way some people are now shouting "save the tomboys", I would like to add "save the nice, nerdy guys"!

It's the porn. Add in the isolation imposed during the lockdowns plus an increased dose, no wonder you're seeing so many of them emerging now.

 

[Here to Gawk]

I don't know where I'm going with this, just that it bothers me I guess. And the same way some people are now shouting "save the tomboys", I would like to add "save the nice, nerdy guys"!

 

[AMHOLIO]

Cross-posting praise for this thread on "Blocked and Reported" that got posted to the MATI thread (from the quote box there):


The comment on "Blocked and Reported" was in response to Josh's appearance yesterday on the Heterodorx podcast.

It's my trooning achievement. All inspired by other kiwis in the trans sideshow thread (with dire stories) and a friend who now seems to be middling about after all this T and transitioning stuff, shitting pants and doing nothing thanks to anxiety after trooning and joining the antifa circle of friends she has ( ). She'd be motified if she knew, but she helped more people come to peace and get advice ironically enough.

I say it's my trooning achievement when the real strength of the thread is being able to be candid, anonymous, and with a very supporting group of shitposters to listen and give support to those who come in and share. Kiwis can be bitter with their own maladjustments and problems, but for the most part those who choose to come into threads like this are, well, people. With hearts and hurt and feelings and empathy. Choosing to be kind to others in spite of hardship is a strength. Thanks to everyone who's contributed, whether you stuck around or just posted once. Semper fi, kiwis :semper-fi:.

OK, I'm bringing two cases here that aren't really "loved ones" (to me),

It's all good, I'm still mad about a mildly popular in his niche youtuber trooning out, I don't mind if it's loved ones or not. Just too hard to fit it all in the thread title and subtitle.

 

[AfghanBlue]

After starting titty skittles, he weirdly became more on-the-edge, and easier to anger. Its weird, since you'd think estrogen (and presumably anti-androgens) would have the opposite effect, but nope

(and also @AMHOLIO...)
You'd assume so, but actually estrogen greatly increases negative emotions.
It's why women go mad with PMS when estrogen is at its highest in the cycle, it's why teenage girls are.. teenage girls, it's why TIFs (and roidheads) get a buzz from testosterone as soon as starting it.

It fucks with people's heads and some blokes take it even worse than others.
Ditto how some tifs get along better on T than others. It's still a major toxin but some of them get way too fucked to even power through: but yeah, people think estrogen is some gentle-making hormone, but it's nothing of the sort, it's crazy making. The mere lack fo testosterone makes women less firey- but no less high in negative emotion. It just comes out as sadness rather than anger.
Add it into a dude with their very own sepcific individual body chemistry and hormone level, and it can absolutely make them way snappier.

 

[Jarry Seinfelt]

A Facebook memory popped up this morning, so I looked at the post and saw a few comments from a name I didn't recognize and wasn't on my friends list. Turns out it was an old acquaintance who trooned out, and that sent me down nostalgia lane.

From around 2015-2017 I was on a Discord with a bunch of other friends. I didn't know all of them offline, but everyone on there knew at least one other person irl, either through school or just other online venues + living in the same area. In 2016 the admin, a real woman, started inviting a bunch of trannies no one else knew on there. They were all of the "communist game programmer with self-diagnosed autism and depression" tranny subtype, and they + the admin made a bunch of super secret special channels for trannies and enbies that they wouldn't stop talking about in the other channels. A couple of these trannies also had me blocked on Twitter without me ever interacting with them, too. I didn't even ask anyone else on there why because I knew that they were aggressive, histrionic psychos even back then, so I just deleted my Discord account and exited that circle.

The only guy in that circle I kept up with was banned from there a few months later for some minor political disagreement. IIRC it wasn't even related to troonshit. That guy is definitely not an ebil JKR loving transphobe kiwifarmer, he's not very online at all anymore, and politically he's a Bernie Sanders Democrat. At worst I can see him saying "eh it's kinda weird but you do you" to the trannies, which is the type of acceptance that gays would've killed for 50 years ago.

actually, one other person tangential to that friend group is a farmer, and her having a positive opinion on the Farms caused me to join up

tldr; discord ruins everything (maybe not if you keep it *exclusively* to a real life friend group), trannies ruin everything.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

You'd assume so, but actually estrogen greatly increases negative emotions.
It's why women go mad with PMS when estrogen is at its highest in the cycle, it's why teenage girls are.. teenage girls, it's why TIFs (and roidheads) get a buzz from testosterone as soon as starting it.

Your grade school biology textbook misses you. Estrogen is at its highest just before ovulation - when the mood is at its highest. Would make 0 evolutionary sense for it to be the other way round. It's disheartening to have ADULTS spread class A Hard Misinformation on KIWI FARMS in year 2023. Please don't have sex EVER - you'll be endangering the lives of everyone involved.

 

[Tangled Headphones]

Just saw a girl I dated as a teen is a pooner now. I saw some guy I didn't know like something on fb, go to see who it is, it's her but she transitioned into a reddit mod. Why does this happen to pooners, they exclusively turn into neckbeards. Anyway its sad because she was a nice girl and I had comfy memories of her. Do lesbians even exist anymore or are they just all pooners now ffs.

 

[Baraadmirer]

A few weeks ago I was on Instagram and saw a new but oddly familiar username on my feed. I checked out the story and discovered that one of the MtFs I mentioned on here over a year ago has switched names from one that was a feminine version of his name to something drastically different.

 

[AfghanBlue]

what i dont get is why people don't recognize that this promise is false?
like, if you are depressed because you suffer from tfwnogf, fair enough, but trooning out doesn't get you a gf either, unless you go prison gay and start hooking up with other trannies for that girlfriend(male) experience lol
how do they not realize this in advance?

Hope springs eternal.

 

[teriyakiburns]

You'd assume so, but actually estrogen greatly increases negative emotions.

In men. Excess estrogen in men fucks everything up. It makes men emotionally unstable, violent, angry, depressed, and all of the other things that people popularly associate with "toxic masculinity".

 

[AfghanBlue]

Your grade school biology textbook misses you. Estrogen is at its highest just before ovulation - when the mood is at its highest. Would make 0 evolutionary sense for it to be the other way round. It's disheartening to have ADULTS spread class A Hard Misinformation on KIWI FARMS in year 2023. Please don't have sex EVER - you'll be endangering the lives of everyone involved.

Ah yes, those grade school in depth lessons about female sex hormone.
Both too much or too little estrogen, in the balance of the other hormones throughout the cycle, will drastically effect phsycail and mental health.
Women have worse mental health then men, and it's due to our particular hormone cycle.

(to then immediately stretch to try to link to some implications about random users personal sex life.. as well as being weird, is a classic troon hallmark btw.)

https://www.edenhealth.com/blog/estrogen-depression-connection/#:~:text=When%20estrogen%20is%20disrupted%20or,developmental%20stages%20specific%20to%20women.

https://annarborholistichealth.com/2015-4-16-symptoms-of-estrogen-dominance/#:~:text=As%20a%20result%2C%20symptoms%20are,Decreased%20sex%20drive

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

Ah yes, those grade school in depth lessons about female sex hormone.

Being a sped kid is nothing to be proud of. Going deeper into your retardation isn't doing you any favours, unless your goal is getting attention from people laughing at you.

 

[Big Miss Steak]

(and also @AMHOLIO...)
You'd assume so, but actually estrogen greatly increases negative emotions.
It's why women go mad with PMS when estrogen is at its highest in the cycle, it's why teenage girls are.. teenage girls, it's why TIFs (and roidheads) get a buzz from testosterone as soon as starting it.

It fucks with people's heads and some blokes take it even worse than others.
Ditto how some tifs get along better on T than others. It's still a major toxin but some of them get way too fucked to even power through: but yeah, people think estrogen is some gentle-making hormone, but it's nothing of the sort, it's crazy making. The mere lack fo testosterone makes women less firey- but no less high in negative emotion. It just comes out as sadness rather than anger.
Add it into a dude with their very own sepcific individual body chemistry and hormone level, and it can absolutely make them way snappier.

I had written a few paragraphs about how wrong you were and then saw others were doing it for me.

https://www.edenhealth.com/blog/estrogen-depression-connection/#:~:text=When%20estrogen%20is%20disrupted%20or,developmental%20stages%20specific%20to%20women.

https://annarborholistichealth.com/2015-4-16-symptoms-of-estrogen-dominance/#:~:text=As%20a%20result%2C%20symptoms%20are,Decreased%20sex%20drive

Both of these links are about hormonal imbalances, as in ongoing health issues, not just the normal menstrual cycle.

 

[Poonocchio]

I generally try to stay out of this thread because it's too heart wrenching, but my fellow Kiwis who have lost somebody close to them and it's affecting you, it may be worth some sort of grief(?) counselling related to losing loved ones to a cult because this shit seems so difficult to deal with; I can't imagine what you must be going through, especially with the knowledge of the type of shit that REALLY goes on within Transgenderism. It frightens me to think someone I love (especially a spouse, child or parent) would lose themselves to this. I really hope your loved ones see the truth in what they are doing to themselves and the people who care about them to get you all out of the nightmare. Sending true and honest thots and prayers.

 

[glass_houses]

I generally try to stay out of this thread because it's too heart wrenching, but my fellow Kiwis who have lost somebody close to them and it's affecting you, it may be worth some sort of grief(?) counselling related to losing loved ones to a cult because this shit seems so difficult to deal with; I can't imagine what you must be going through, especially with the knowledge of the type of shit that REALLY goes on within Transgenderism. It frightens me to think someone I love (especially a spouse, child or parent) would lose themselves to this. I really hope your loved ones see the truth in what they are doing to themselves and the people who care about them to get you all out of the nightmare. Sending true and honest thots and prayers.

It's a nice thought, but the therapists are just going to say that their grief is irrational and that they're being bigots. I've spent a lot of time involved in mental health services, and unfortunately the affirmation model is extremely widespread. Even the 'good' providers I've known have told me that transitioning is a source of joy and freedom etc.

 

[Poonocchio]

It's a nice thought, but the therapists are just going to say that their grief is irrational and that they're being bigots. I've spent a lot of time involved in mental health services, and unfortunately the affirmation model is extremely widespread. Even the 'good' providers I've known have told me that transitioning is a source of joy and freedom etc.

Just don't even mention trannyism, literally cult support because that's what it is.