Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[DenseDeerFather]

At least the cat is taken care of

Quoting myself here but according to a mutual, she continued to spiral. The dysphoria fucked her so badly that
she stopped bathing for months and stopped cleaning her apartment.

Now what does this have to do with the cat? Well it died because it ate a piece of filth and got a coma during surgery which left it brain dead.

A week after she got herself a new cat.

 

[Tangled Headphones]

Could I ask a question? I'm quite sick of losing people over not sucking tranny taint, and I've seen so many good resources on here over the years showing explicitly that trans women are dangerous predators, I just don't know how to find them again. Does anyone have material for peaking normies? Like good studies and facts for well-meaning "they aren't bothering anyone!" Friends. Like that chart that shows trans women are 5x more likely to be sexual predators. It's not like critical of trans material can just be found on Google, but I'm desperate to find them again.

 

[Manat]

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Are you talking about this?

Half of all transgender prisoners are sex offenders or dangerous category A inmates

 

[Tangled Headphones]

Are you talking about this?

Half of all transgender prisoners are sex offenders or dangerous category A inmates

Yes thank you!

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

Could I ask a question? I'm quite sick of losing people over not sucking tranny taint, and I've seen so many good resources on here over the years showing explicitly that trans women are dangerous predators, I just don't know how to find them again. Does anyone have material for peaking normies? Like good studies and facts for well-meaning "they aren't bothering anyone!" Friends. Like that chart that shows trans women are 5x more likely to be sexual predators. It's not like critical of trans material can just be found on Google, but I'm desperate to find them again.

Gender critical resources​

Wanna peak your friends and loved ones?​

True Crime thread, Transgender edition​

Arguments or Evidence to Convince Normies/Leftists That Troons Are Harmful to Society​

 

[TruffleSpark]

Could I ask a question? I'm quite sick of losing people over not sucking tranny taint, and I've seen so many good resources on here over the years showing explicitly that trans women are dangerous predators, I just don't know how to find them again. Does anyone have material for peaking normies? Like good studies and facts for well-meaning "they aren't bothering anyone!" Friends. Like that chart that shows trans women are 5x more likely to be sexual predators. It's not like critical of trans material can just be found on Google, but I'm desperate to find them again.

Inauthentic Selves: The modern LGBTQ+ Movement Is Run By Philanthropic Astroturf And Based On Junk Science

How the LGBT community got suckered by Big Business and Big Philanthropy.

suedonym.substack.com

This article is still probably the best overall takedown of transgenderism, it might be a bit too dense for a normie but there's lots of good info in there. Though for me the thing that proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that "gender identity" is bullshit it's this:

https://ifamnews.com/en/demented-transgender-patients-remember-only-their-biological-sex

Imagine the absolute hell of not recognising your own body anymore because you got a bunch of pointless surgeries after being gaslit into thinking you were the opposite of your actual sex that you no longer remember getting. For context homosexuals do not stop being homosexual when they get dementia. So while we may not know exactly what causes homosexuality it does appear to be innate in a way gender identity isn't.

 

[Idiot doing idiot things]

Could I ask a question? I'm quite sick of losing people over not sucking tranny taint, and I've seen so many good resources on here over the years showing explicitly that trans women are dangerous predators, I just don't know how to find them again. Does anyone have material for peaking normies? Like good studies and facts for well-meaning "they aren't bothering anyone!" Friends. Like that chart that shows trans women are 5x more likely to be sexual predators. It's not like critical of trans material can just be found on Google, but I'm desperate to find them again.

I do like the other suggestions but I have a different method, which I have successfully used to change peoples' minds. If you're trying to change a normalfag's mind about trannies, and you know how fucked these people are (you're on KF, you know), the method is simple:

Make it fun.

To give an personal example of this in action, I have a tomboyish younger sister who was going through the typical hormonal teenage girl nonsense, but because the gendercult is in vogue, she was starting to question her gender identity, and was getting more withdrawn. So what I first did was ask her out of curiosity if there were any trans kids in her school, and she said a fair few . Then I started bullying the fuck out of them, but in a fun way while allowing her to contribute to it with her own experiences. For example:

• I pointed out the dumb naming trends which FtMs (feminine/soft names, e.g. Alex, Sam) and MtFs (weird/fetishy names, e.g. Alice, Luna) always choose. I then asked her what these kids named themselves, and poked fun at how basic and stereotypical they are.
• I found out that one of her acquaintances in her group is NB/FtM, so I asked her 'Do they act like a guy?'. She said not really, and so I asked her to elaborate.
• I showed her how girly FtMs still are by going to the r/FTM front page, and reading random posts out loud in my normal male voice. Its more effective than you'd expect, for example, here is the first post I saw on there today.
  
  

It was fun, and down the line it seemed to have a positive effect on her. Soon after, she stopped doing the gender non-conformity thing, and she became way more outgoing and happy.

I could go on, but going this route is far better for convincing non-autists than talking about rape statistics. You can talk about that after they peak.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I'm sure it's been pontificated upon (there's a tranny names thread after all) but what's the psychology of wanting to change your name? Sure, you might have been lumbered with a really shit name, but what if you've got a normal name but don't like it? How many people would just go by their middle name if they could? Are there people out there who wouldn't identify as trans if they just had a "cis" name that they liked? You can almost feel how they pick the "clockier" names, wrapped up in this idealistic mental image of themselves, but it's never quite tangible.

I thought about this and had a realization: it's choosing a username for IRL.

Say my real name was... Liam Oho. I'd go by Liam to friends and most of my family, except a few who would call me "Li" or maybe my dad calling me "Son". When I go to a customer service place, like the SSA to cash my social security checks for my crippling Kiwi autism, people addressing me would call me "Mr. Oho". At my job I might be known as "Oho" since I could have a coworker with the same first name as me, or maybe a nickname like "tardmiser". So that's about 6 or so things I could be called with that I have a personal history with: Liam, Oho, son, Li, Mr. Oho, and the fabled Tardmiser title. That's not including my kiwi name Amholio (or Ms. Holio if you're nasty), which only certain internet users call me by, as well as any usernames I go by on Steam or Twatter.

All of these describe different relationships I have with other people when you think about it, all of these have history attached. Names are part of our idenity whether we realize it or not. Most people are unlikely to change their name since it's a part of them: even if they don't like it, they're used to being called that for a good portion of their life.

Enter: online troonism. Trooning and choosing a new name is rewriting history and putting yourself as a new being. You are rechristening yourself, you are reborn, that man is dead or never even existed! Lia Homo (lol homo) was the girl trying to get out all along! Not every troon goes by genderbent versions of their name as you know though, some that do are either pre-established in a career with their birth gender name or don't have much ill will or creativity for a new name. For those who hated their cringey past self, their weak vulnerable self, their awful mean hurtful self, and so on, might as well name yourself something new and shed your tears away. New username, new person.

Skinwalkers usually pick names of people they want to be, real or fictional. General troons pick off the top baby names list since that's just the sounds they like for that generation. Special troons pick cool powerful names that imply a deep connection to things, usually celtic/nordic or mythological like Lilith and Loki. Sometimes they'll pick D&D and shitty fanfiction names due to being that kind of nerd. Extra special troons will pick shit like Radio or Sammich, because they are super speds or attention whores.

If we changed my theoretical name of Liam Oho to Cassandra Oho, that modifies 3 out of the 6 names (not including usernames) out the gate. If I hate my family or really want to be reborn, I could become Cassandra Sapphire Mariposa or some shit and be renamed Ms. Mariposa or other shit like that. They have different connections and meanings: you can't rewrite the past so that they called you by your troon name, but future Cassandra Mariposa can become the beautiful powerful butterfly she was meant to be on this earth. She can cut people off for not saying the right names or pronouns, she totally does not break down and cry in the bathroom after being rejected (execpt s/he does twice as often now), and all of her past sins and cringe are rolled into some dipshit named "Liam Oho" she totally never heard of and by GOD do not bring up the deadname so they don't break down in embarrassment or misgendering crying.

You can occassionally see troons cycle through names, especially if they get into a lot of internet drama that has them deleting accounts or if they have an unstable sense of self. It's a minor form of hitting an imaginary reser button, and failing to run away from yourself. It's not always about being called Brianna, it's about never being John Flynt again.

It's a bizarre type of sublimation. They post birth announcements for their arm dicks ("the little guy arrived yesterday at 2 pm and is 9 inches long and 12 inches around, he and mom are resting comfortably!") They go through trans related rituals instead of bridal and maternity rituals. They have been told since they were barely dried off from the womb, by their bitter career woman moms, that only dumb bimbo Staceys dream of being a bride and a mom. That being those things means a death of the self. So they sublimate it into this crap.

I think that this might be true for some but not all: it's very likely the reason they like those names is that their generation likes the sound of those names. It's anything from "Wow, this name sounds cool!" to "Wow a cute guy I like has this name!".

 

[Doktor Grimm]

I thought about this and had a realization: it's choosing a username for IRL.

It's exactly like choosing a username. Quite frequently I see trans people change their name to something based on their online handle. Makes sense in a dystopian sort of way: if they spend more time interacting with other trannies online than with people IRL, which version of themselves is more real?

Anyway, thread tax:

I had someone else in my local FGC group troon out recently. Saw it coming from a mile away, but I was never incredibly close to the guy, so wasn't much I could do but hope he was sensible enough to prove me wrong - up until a couple weeks ago when I heard a familiar voice behind me and turned around to see him, in all his 6ft tall glory, dressed up in a hideous pleated skirt + sweater vest combo. Bleurgh. Dude is definitely old enough to know better, but I feel as if there's some external pressure going on given that this group's been a massive tranny circlejerk for ages. This is kinda just the way you gain social cred in these spaces. I checked his social media and of course it's full of gross mirror selfies and all his friends telling him how "proud" they are, as if he's achieved something of importance by changing a few words in his Twitter bio.

Returning to trans infested activities after having detransitioned makes me feel like an ex-Jehovah's Witness coming back to Kingdom Hall. I can pick up on signs that tell me when someone's at risk of trooning out, but I can't compete with the army of enablers surrounding them 24/7, not without risking a big part of my own social life. It blows watching a new person transition every month when I know exactly what they're getting into.

 

[Kalsarikännit]

Mental Health is always politically compromised

Who would have thought that the people wanting to tinker with your brain might have ulterior motives?

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I showed her how girly FtMs still are by going to the r/FTM front page, and reading random posts out loud in my normal male voice. Its more effective than you'd expect, for example, here is the first post I saw on there today.

How I heard this in my mind was in the style of that "can u get pregante"/"luigi board" youtube guy.

"Aaaa! AAA!!!! AA!! (period question mark)."

 

[Aunt Carol]

How I heard this in my mind was in the style of that "can u get pregante"/"luigi board" youtube guy.

"Aaaa! AAA!!!! AA!! (period question mark)."

You're right. Someone dig up Shmorky; this would be a great peaking meme video.

 

[UncleTusky]

Thread tax:

Spoiler: Three for the price of one and extremely unfunny

My story begins when I went to university. The exact school and major don't matter; suffice it to say that between going to university a while ago + going to a school that was mostly business and STEM majors, the place was not a troon breeding ground.

At this school, I made a bunch of friends. Four of them matter for the purposes of this story; let's call them Adam, Bonnie, Clyde, and Diane. At the time, three of the fout had no red flags in general and none of them had red flags for trooning out: Adam was gay (this will become relevant later) but not a flamer or degenerate or anything, he was a happy well adjusted guy who just happened to be gay. Clyde and Diane just seemed, well, normal. Bonnie was a fag hag (:islamic and frankly I only considered her a friend in the sense that she was friends with Adam and Clyde - hanging out with those two almost necessarily meant dealing with her. We graduated but kept in touch.

Now let's fast-forward to the late 2010s:

* Even at university Adam was the kind of person that people liked but never loved - he had plenty of friends but struck out with every guy he dated. This left him, well, lonely and his Tinder matches started to dry up. We kept in touch routinely and I even flew out to visit him a few times. Then in around 2019 he announced via Facebook that he was dating a TiF. Adam didn't troon out or anything, he had just gotten so desperate that he decided a pooner was better than nothing. From what little I've been able to gather it's pretty clear the pooner is using him and he's too desperate or naive to realize it. I've kept in touch with him but it is hard - I want to just yell "you can do better, can't you see this relationship is abusive?" but I know that if I say one word down that line I'll be unpersoned for transphobia.

* Like I mentioned Bonnie was a fag hag but did not have any warning signs for trooning. When we were at university her stances on marriage + family were more conservative than you'd expect for a fag hag (not tradwife but at least had the self-consistency to realize tolerating others' lifestyles meant letting women be tradwives). We kept in touch infrequently after graduating. Then in 2019 on one of the half-dozen LGBTQBBWNAMBLA sanctioned holidays she posted on Facebook "I am a genderfluid individual".... yeah, something snapped in her head and now she was your stereotypical "non binary" TiF - using it as a cudgel to get into LGB spaces (especially those for gay men since she's still a fag hag) and make herself the center of attention everywhere she goes. Any conversation with her became outright intolerable after that, and I even have to watch my words when she isn't around since I value my friendship with Adam and he doesn't realize Bonnie trooning out is an attention grab.

* This leaves Clyde who is almost an ungodly hybrid of the problems with Adam and Bonnie: He got married to Diane, then trooned out (TiM not non binary), then moved with his wife from a town near her family halfway across the country to be near his family. Right off the bat it created the same problems as Bonnie - any conversation with him is insufferable now, I have to watch my words when he isn't around because I still value my friendship with Adam, and he wants a personal army to shut down evil Ron DeSantis (no he doesn't live in Florida). At least to me the worst part about it is his wife because what he is doing borders on abuse. When he first announced he was trans he made a point of saying "Diane will support me through this", which put her in an awkward and untenable position - she could either accept her husband trooning out or be banished from all her social circles if she filed for divorce. Then he helped make that decision for her by isolating her from her entire family. Nothing would please me more than to help her get a divorce + find a support group for what she went through + move back closer to her family, but she's either too woke or too resigned to her fate to accept that kind of help.

Thanks to anybody who read this all the way to the end, the number of places where I can say this stuff openly is small and shrinking.

Now for a palate cleanser, please enjoy the Ballad of Dr. Sneed from the excellent "Days of Boyhood" series on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY4MrFEFsY8

 

[rusty shackleford 1]

I just wanted a place to dump this because it’s bothered me since yesterday. I usually spend around 5-10 minutes a day checking Facebook and mostly use it to let the family see the kids and whatnot. Yesterday I logged on and in my short time there I was absolutely fucking spammed with surrogacy ads, I counted at least ten. Imploring the reader to donate eggs, to contact these companies (different ones) and find out if they qualify to carry someone else’s child. They were numerous and aggressive. There were even photo libraries of faggots you could scroll through wanting to rent your womb like some weird guilt trip.

I worked for years with this younger girl who kinda became like a little sister to me. We’ve both since moved on from that job and a few months ago I notice she was dating a TIF with breeding hips and a scraggly beard. Recently they went off and eloped and announced it a couple months later. I want nothing but for her to be happy, I love her like a little sister and admire her resolve after all she’s been through but I was bummed that she’d committed herself to a tranny who can’t be honest about her homosexuality.

ANYWAY so I made this innocuous post about how obnoxious the surrogacy ads were and how aggressive and off putting it was to see so many in like ten minutes. The feel behind so many ads being spammed was like a cattle call. I didn’t even give an opinion on surrogacy itself. When I made the post, ironically I thought about the girl as she’s the only one on my list who might be offended but I didn’t think it was that deep. She did end up commenting on the post about how I might find it creepy but it’s a beautiful thing because she could never have a kid otherwise. She does have PCOS and I don’t know exactly how fertile she is, but I do know that her “hubby” threw away her fertility when she decided taking testosterone was the way to go. It bothered me that I might have hurt her feelings but I commented back and stood by what I said, that people are more than parts and passive aggressively spamming women with, “you’re not using your uterus right have you considered breeding for a faggot today?” (I said it nicely) was creepy and off putting.

She was always so ambitious and kind of a take no shit person. I guess I just hate to see her spiraling further since this TIF came around. The “if you don’t respect muh husbands pronouns” posts have already started and she’s sliding headfirst down the woke pipeline. She was never a sensitive person and that’s obviously changed a lot since this started.

 

[TruffleSpark]

Saw on facebook that a girl I knew in college is now a "they/he" non-binary. She looks exactly like a 30 year old woman with a dyke haircut though, but she seems to be on the road to pooning out. Not sure what caused this, she seemed normal when I knew her.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Imagine the absolute hell of not recognising your own body anymore because you got a bunch of pointless surgeries after being gaslit into thinking you were the opposite of your actual sex that you no longer remember getting.

Sounds like karma to me for being such disgusting pushy perverts.
Nature itself hates troon shit.

You're right. Someone dig up Shmorky; this would be a great peaking meme video.

The idea's to peak the kid not terrorize them lol Shmorky is nightmare fuel
Is he still alive?
Is he still wearing that yarn wig?

 

[Baraadmirer]

The idea's to peak the kid not terrorize them lol Shmorky is nightmare fuel
Is he still alive?
Is he still wearing that yarn wig?

I watched this documentary on Shmorky and I am now afraid I might not have the strength to prevent myself from reading the thread.

 

[Procrastinhater]

I watched this documentary on Shmorky and I am now afraid I might not have the strength to prevent myself from reading the thread.

His fucking fake voice is annoying as shit. I'm literally amazed anyone could listen to him for more than 30 seconds withing punching range without slapping the shit out of him till he spoke with his real voice. I know I couldn't. It's worse than sneakers on a basketball court.

 

[Sperghetti]

It was fun, and down the line it seemed to have a positive effect on her. Soon after, she stopped doing the gender non-conformity thing, and she became way more outgoing and happy.

I've said it before, but I really do think there's a lot of people who only go along with this stuff because they're constantly being bombarded with the message that it's 100% proven fact and/or they're a terrible person if they don't. Just giving someone permission to question or reject these ideas, or letting them know it's okay to think this stuff is silly, can mean a lot.

Besides, no teenage girl should have to feel like there's something inherently wrong with her for not being the target audience of Seventeen magazine. All this gender stuff is just sexism with a progressive coat of paint.

If we changed my theoretical name of Liam Oho to Cassandra Oho, that modifies 3 out of the 6 names (not including usernames) out the gate. If I hate my family or really want to be reborn, I could become Cassandra Sapphire Mariposa or some shit and be renamed Ms. Mariposa or other shit like that. They have different connections and meanings: you can't rewrite the past so that they called you by your troon name, but future Cassandra Mariposa can become the beautiful powerful butterfly she was meant to be on this earth. She can cut people off for not saying the right names or pronouns, she totally does not break down and cry in the bathroom after being rejected (execpt s/he does twice as often now), and all of her past sins and cringe are rolled into some dipshit named "Liam Oho" she totally never heard of and by GOD do not bring up the deadname so they don't break down in embarrassment or misgendering crying.

I think there's also an aspect of control here: You never chose to be Liam, and you also never really had any say in what other people thought of him*. But "Cassandra" is a brand-new persona that you get to determine every aspect of, and once you introduce her, everyone else has to respect that.

I think it's one of the reasons there's such an overlap between troons and furries, because the furry community is also heavily based around creating this idealized persona and having everyone else acknowledge it as you.

* Technically, you did to a certain extent, but that involves taking personal responsibility.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I think there's also an aspect of control here: You never chose to be Liam, and you also never really had any say in what other people thought of him*. But "Cassandra" is a brand-new persona that you get to determine every aspect of, and once you introduce her, everyone else has to respect that.

I think it's one of the reasons there's such an overlap between troons and furries, because the furry community is also heavily based around creating this idealized persona and having everyone else acknowledge it as you.

Yes! Agreed. And it's hilarious because you'll see furries and trans people cycle through personas when after all this time, "Casssandra" caused so much drama in her groups and experienced so much heartbreak that she now has all of the heartbreak associated with her deadname/irl name for furries she has to DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING and start again! Hello laydees, it's Penelope now! Also my fursona is now uhhh a dragon instead of a wolf. And nothing of value was learned.