Horrorcow Lucas Werner - A man of Spokane, Washington who is obsessed with millennial and Gen Z chicks

[ManfromtheMoon]

I have to say that it really does aggravate me when I hear about Myrna living the yuppie life and see her bragposts on boomerbook. It is clear that while she and her new husband...and same goes for Kang Roy and his new wife...are not actual millionaires they are still on the heckin cozy end of middle class. They are Luke's next of kin and they are the ones who foisted him onto this world in the first place. I think it's only fair that they should be the ones responsible for his support. He is truly not an actual ward of the state with no relatives or poor ones...so I think it's inappropriate the way they were allowed to dump him onto the system and go skipping away to Cancun for some margaritas and a nice view of the beach. That is seriously an abuse of the taxpayer imo. Meanwhile actual poverty stricken families can't get their actually schizo sons a disability check because of bullshit like this.

it's best if we just throw him into the gulag

 

[King Daddy Telomerase]

Myrna did pay for Lucas to have housing in his early adult years and did try. I'm torn on her though, it irked me reading her writings years ago on Lucas which really came across as painting herself as the Greatest Mother who loves poor mentally ill Lucas so much, and now she's bragging on Facebook how she's traveling all over. It just feels inappropriate.

Maybe it's just that her face is so uniquely ugly that make me dislike her. Those beaty eyes and buckteeth.

 

[Telomere Savalas]

I have to say that it really does aggravate me when I hear about Myrna living the yuppie life and see her bragposts on boomerbook. It is clear that while she and her new husband...and same goes for Kang Roy and his new wife...are not actual millionaires they are still on the heckin cozy end of middle class. They are Luke's next of kin and they are the ones who foisted him onto this world in the first place. I think it's only fair that they should be the ones responsible for his support. He is truly not an actual ward of the state with no relatives or poor ones...so I think it's inappropriate the way they were allowed to dump him onto the system and go skipping away to Cancun for some margaritas and a nice view of the beach. That is seriously an abuse of the taxpayer imo. Meanwhile actual poverty stricken families can't get their actually schizo sons a disability check because of bullshit like this.

Lucas is a (chronological) grown ass man. His parents don't owe him anything. Yes, his current mental state is due in part to his mother's helicopter parenting of his youth, but at some point you have to put your childhood trauma behind you and grow up.

 

[GLUE SNIFFER 9000]

Sorry, how do you "build a car" out of those "resources"? So you're just making up an object, and pretending that some bizarre combination of the "resources" can create it? So there's no limit? You could build a neutron bomb? And what does he mean, if you get an "emotional response" to your "story", you win? Are you looking to see if your opponent goes full blush face? Seriously, does he not understand that a game with so much randomness and playing pretend and unlimited movement built into it is essentially unplayable? It's like if you played rock paper scissors, but you kept adding additional objects, and anyone could make up a hand gesture for any object they could think of. Paper, rock, scissors, galaxy, earthquake, atom bomb, hellfire missiles. See? A game of unlimited bullshit like this would never end. No one would agree whether they'd lost or not. Its too subjective; games need objective rules that both players can agree upon to be fair.

Also, every piece when it moves, can move to anywhere else on the board? There's no set amount of spaces to move? So couldn't you just move your piece as far away from possible from the enemy? And do that over and over again? As in, the game would never end?

Even for fatty, this sounds totally insane...

I'd assume that his schitzophernia is helping to connect everything together. Since we're spared the luxury of actually experiencing what it's like in Lucas' head, we can't really know what his intent for the game is. That's something that only he and the voices on the wind know. All of his games follow this motif of resource gathering and building things. Deep down, I wonder why that is, since those seem to be the gameplay loops he always chooses.

 

[WonderWino]

I don’t know how I feel about this. On one hand, yeah, it sucks that Lucas is taking publicly-funded resources away from others. But on the other hand, he’s a middle-aged man who has a history of being non-compliant with his mental health treatment. While I think Myrna and Roy bear responsibility for how Lucas turned out, at a certain point, I don’t think they’re obligated to endlessly fund his stays in cushy facilities or nursing homes. If Lucas showed actual willingness and commitment to being something other than a pedophilic bumcel, I’d say that his parents should support that. At this point, though, I don’t begrudge them for not wanting to waste their money on someone who refuses to be helped.

I'm not so sure about that. I'm not saying they should have to support him financially or let him live with them or anything like that, but they are a big part of why he is the way he is, myrna especially. When she wasn't fucking him up she was enabling him and making excuses for his behavior, and continues to do so to this day. The point being, his parents know exactly what lucas is, that he has intentions toward underage girls and continues his efforts to get involved with them essentially to the near exclusion of all else. They know he is a predator, they know he's stupider than a bag of rocks and given all that they are not stupid enough not to be aware that he is a danger to himself and others. One that will increase as he grows older, more desperate and less sane. That said, with that knowledge they absolutely should be responsible for making a reasonable effort to prevent him from continuing to be a danger to himself and others. They should not be enabling him at all, they should not be bailing him out when he fucks up like they did during the LA saga, they should not be getting evasive and indignant when his behavior is made known to them (and this in itself shows they know exactly what kind of predator he is) they should be making an effort to make it clear to WA state that he is in fact a low IQ, severely mentally ill sexual predator of minors that has enough experience with the system to manipulate his doctors into not seeing him for what he is, that he does everything he can to get involved with underage girls no matter how many times its backfired on him and that he needs to be institutionalized permanently in a place like eastern state. He is exactly the kind of person that the asylum system existed to keep locked up for the safety of everyone involved. He is exactly the kind of person who needs to be permanently kept locked up. They can make an issue of it, they should make an issue of it, they should be doing so and could easily go public with it and cause a major public scene especially given his history. a few threats of major lawsuits if he goes after a little girl or does something inappropriate again, after providing a history of his behavior toward minors would do quite a bit toward getting him locked up. The phrase 'my son is a psychotic pedo who wants to lure little girls and has a major documented history of attempting to do so and i'll sue the shit out of the state and make sure any victims do the same as publicly as possible if you don't lock him up for the safety of the community' is about all you need to say in such a situation. They could easily cause an utter shitshow over it

The point is, there is much they could be doing. Myrna doesn't for three reasons: 1) as much as she knows what lucas is she doesn't want to admit it because she knows that it reflects badly on her 2) making an issue of it would require essentially admitting to having a stupider than a bag of rocks, sexual predator of a son who fancies little girls and she doesn't want that coming back on her and making her look bad and 3) shes not much brighter than lucas is herself and legitimately thinks that by washing her hands of him that when he inevitably ends up doing something that can't be ignored - and he will when he eventually comes to the conclusion he has nothing left to lose by doing so either out of desperation or mental illness rotting his brain of what little reasoning ability it has left, it'll quickly get out that his behavior was well known long before anything happened, including by her and it'll look even worse for her than if she'd just had him locked up when he started his predatory behavior. Hell, anybody lucas tries to victimize, if they found out about alot of the history in this thread alone could potentially go after her for knowing full well about his intentions and behavior and not doing anything about it. She had knowledge of it, she could have done something about it but deliberately kept her mouth shut at best and went out of her way to run interference for him on the rare occasion she was confronted with it. I'm willing to bet she knows alot more than she, lucas or the rest of the family lets on. He was exiled from the family to this degree for a reason and it wasn't just 'I refuse to take my meds.' I would also bet a ton of money on this being the only reason they still have any contact with him at all, because they know what he is and want a heads up if he does or is about to do something that will come back on all of them and draw alot of attention to the rest of the family as to how they allowed him to be left to his own devices knowing full well what he is. Its not a coincidence that his family members suddenly pop out of nowhere when he starts getting dangerously close to a pedo incident like they did during the LA saga

 

[Zoomer Bae]

@WonderWino since I can’t quote your post:

At what point is a parent allowed to stop financing an adult child who refuses to take responsibility for themselves? All parents contribute to the person their child grows up to be, but no parent is 100% responsible for the actions of their adult child. Myrna certainly failed Lucas in a lot of ways, but Lucas is a grown man in his 40s. She, Roy, and the step-parents should fully cut him off, but I don’t think they should be on the hook for the care or actions of an adult who refuses treatment. Saying that someone could go after her legally if he did something is a huge stretch.

I agree completely that Lucas’s parents contributed to how fucked up he is… I just also think that Lucas is responsible for how fucked up he is, too. If he showed any real desire and commitment to improving his situation, I’d say Roy and Myrna had a moral obligation to support that, but as it is, I don’t see much of a difference between their actions and parents who stop financing their adult drug addict children. At some point, no matter how shitty a parent you were, you can’t help someone who refuses to help himself.

 

[King Daddy Telomerase]

I would understand anyone in Lucas' life fully cutting him off. But, Myrna and her guy don't do that. They recently bailed him out, and it wasn't long ago that she mentioned Lucas mental illness troubles.

WonderWino makes a good point on why they barely keep in contact with him, because it doesn't make much sense otherwise. We know they're following him. That makes it more strange that Lucas keeps making his stupid memes about them being millionaires with their 12 acres in the elk kingdom and traveling to Arizona... it's pretty clear that's the last thing Myrna wants. It just feels like a dirty situation that needs to be handled better.

Whether Myrna wants to accept it, she's responsible for some of what Lucas is today. When you see her bragging on social media, it provides a reason why Lucas has this weird love of communism while going on how rich his parents are. I may be stretching here, but it may even be that Lucas' endless desire to be part of a group is him wishing he had family he could connect with. Their situation is strange and confusing, especially for a mentally ill freak like Lucas.

Whatever, I don't want to sound like I'm giving Lucas excuses, Myrna should just be handling this better. It's a sad situation and it seems like she's just making him worse.

 

[WonderWino]

At what point is a parent allowed to stop financing an adult child who refuses to take responsibility for themselves

I never said they should support him financially. Quite the opposite

All parents contribute to the person their child grows up to be, but no parent is 100% responsible for the actions of their adult child.

They are when they know full well that said child is a psychotic predator with a stated goal of preying on underage girls and take no action to warn others, let alone to to stop it, as well as actively enabling and making excuses for it. They went so far as to bail him out of him getting on a plane to cross state lines to meet an underage girl he thought existed

I'll say it again. They don't cut him off and forget about him. They keep tabs on him, know exactly what he is doing and are well aware of his intentions toward underage girls, both from what he has publicly stated and from their own history with him. I know they keep tabs on him because that is the only way they could have popped up during the LA incident. They also made a deliberate and very much under the table attempt to bail him out of it - a guy who literally got on a plane and flew two states away to meet what he thought was an underage girl, and did everything they could to keep it hush hush, even going so far as to get him a room afterwards. They didn't just know about it they actively enabled and rewarded the actions of someone they know to be a sexual predator against minors. They knew exactly what his intentions were when he got on that plane. They are at the very least, very much responsible for anything he does to harm any minors after that. They should have called the cops and reported what they know of lucas's intent and what he had just done in flying to LA, instead they quietly bailed him out

but I don’t think they should be on the hook for the care or actions of an adult who refuses treatment. Saying that someone could go after her legally if he did something is a huge stretch.

Its not a stretch at all. They know exactly what it is, there is documented evidence that they know what he is and what his intentions are. He is a pedo, they know he is a pedo, he has made explicit statements about being a pedo and has taken actions to target underage girls that they know about and they did and continue to do nothing and make no attempt to put a stop to it. If lucas ever harms some little girl her family will easily be able to go after lucas's mother at a minimum if they ever find out about it, in civil court. She had knowledge of an intended crime and failed to act to stop it or warn anyone about it, somebody was harmed as a result. Thats the kind of thing you get your ass reamed for in civil court. Such things have happened many times

t, but as it is, I don’t see much of a difference between their actions and parents who stop financing their adult drug addict children. At some point, no matter how shitty a parent you were, you can’t help someone who refuses to help himself.

I'm not talking about helping lucas, the time for that is long, long gone. If it was ever possible at all. I'm talking about getting him locked up so he can't harm others, as he has stated and demonstrated repeatedly his intent to do. That is absolutely within their power to do. Stopping handing out money to a drug addict is not the same thing. Said drug addict hasn't made his intent to target underage girls for predatory sexual purposes clear and hasn't spent a decade or more doing everything in his power to pursue that goal with your knowledge

That said, i'll just reiterate about the fact there is something very sketchy about lucas's parents. Especially his mother. Normal people do not go out of their way to bail a pedo out of a bad situation they put themselves in by trying to meet an underage girl. Child of theirs or otherwise. They don't get creepy and make a point of keeping tabs on said pedo like that either with the intent of bailing them out whenever they do something that crosses the line. It makes me seriously wonder if lucas isn't the only pedo in the family and if they're not protecting lucas to cover something else going on in the family. I'm even more suspicious given that they still put lucas's niece out there and take pics of her and whatnot playing his games for him despite his very obvious pedo comments about her, not to mention his brother being a school teacher. Putting all that together starts to raise some red flags. Perhaps they think lucas might say something that would get them into some trouble or that by pointing any fingers at him for his behavior it might lead to a cursory look into the rest of the family that might turn up something they don't want getting out. Also might explain why they bail him out when he does things that risk him getting into serious trouble, they know lucas is out for himself and might say shit about them to get himself off the hook if he ever got busted for something. There has to be a reason for bailing him out like that and it isn't 'hes my son' because if that were the case they'd be doing more than that and wouldn't be enabling such things

 

[Cow-Lovin' Fool]

IIRC the reason why they were able to circle the wagons and swoop in during the LA arc, is because a ween tipped them off.

 

[Pump Meat]

About this time last year, I had a pastor in my office just totally break down and sob because the ramifications of his son’s mental illness had finally sunk in. The son was an undergraduate at the nearby university and had smoked one of those synthetic cannabinoids, triggering his first psychotic episode. He had never gotten high prior to this.

His parents came into the situation thinking their son just had a bad trip and that a few days in the hospital would clear his head and hopefully teach a lesson about consuming strange psychotropics. That few days turned into weeks because his son had been diagnosed with schizophrenia that also had a pretty high factor of treatment-resistance.

When his dad found out that even after coming down from the cannabinoids and being on antipsychotics for over six days, his son was still harboring the delusion that he was an incarnation of Jesus Christ and that he needed to die so the world could continue. It took me a bit to convince him that the cannabinoid he smoked didn’t make him this way, it simply pulled the trigger of what was already present in his son. I’ll never forget his face when it dawned on him that the subtext of our discussion was me telling him that from here on out, he is going to have to manage his expectations for his son differently.

I imagine Myrna has had more than a few of these episodes of utter despair and probably carries on with enormous guilt, but that is all she really can do: carry on. Much like how families have to cut ties with addicts, everybody has to cut slingload when it comes to Lucas. Having him in your personal life is detrimental to one’s well being I imagine.

 

[Zoomer Bae]

@WonderWino, my bad, I misread the part about paying for him to be in care - I think that was someone else. I agree that they need to stop enabling him and 100% cut him off. I do think that’s easier said than done, though; despite being shitty parents who don’t like Lucas, I imagine it’s incredibly difficult to essentially abandon your vulnerable, dysfunctional child, even when it’s the right decision.

I highly doubt anyone could hold Myrna et al. legally responsible for Lucas hurting someone. The police are aware of him and he is currently considered to be competent enough to be living semi-independently. He has the DV conviction, but nothing involving children… but even if he did, his parents aren’t inviting him out to see them and then leaving children unsupervised with him. The legal bar for negligence is much higher than being related to someone and knowing they’re mentally ill. By your logic, if Lucas is making credible threats in his YouTube videos, we would all have knowledge of that intent to commit a crime, too. Probably more than Myrna or Roy or any of his family members. But he’s not saying anything like “I’m going to Post Street this weekend and getting some zoomer pussy even if I have to take it by force” or “I’m going to grab this particular high school girl I think is cute.” For all his whining, he’s not making any specific or credible threats.

I don’t want to come across as defending anyone here, but I think that the reality is that Lucas has parents with generally good intentions but absolutely terrible execution. They need to do the hard thing and cut him off completely, but I doubt that they’re being deliberately negligent because they’re afraid of scrutiny. I think they’re just deeply flawed people who are way out of their depth in handling Lucas’s nonsense.

 

[Wernology]

IIRC the reason why they were able to circle the wagons and swoop in during the LA arc, is because a ween tipped them off.

Someone kept posting recent vids to public posts on Larry's FB page, Larry contacted me thinking I was Lucas somehow. There are screenshots of that in the thred; I just told him what was going on, that his idiot stepston was straneded in LA with ou way to get back, and gave him Lucas' phone # at the time.

You know why?

Not out of genuine concern, but out of CYOA in case something HAD happened to Lucas and he'd turned up dead; I guarantee my name would've been dragged into it at that point as having been an orchestrator or some dumb shit (despite me having had nothing to do with it).

I'm more convinced that there was no "married woman in texas" who sent him money but it was more mommy and stepdaddy bailing him out and he was too embarrassed to say that.

 

[Maxxicus Callahan]

About this time last year, I had a pastor in my office just totally break down and sob because the ramifications of his son’s mental illness had finally sunk in. The son was an undergraduate at the nearby university and had smoked one of those synthetic cannabinoids, triggering his first psychotic episode. He had never gotten high prior to this.

His parents came into the situation thinking their son just had a bad trip and that a few days in the hospital would clear his head and hopefully teach a lesson about consuming strange psychotropics. That few days turned into weeks because his son had been diagnosed with schizophrenia that also had a pretty high factor of treatment-resistance.

When his dad found out that even after coming down from the cannabinoids and being on antipsychotics for over six days, his son was still harboring the delusion that he was an incarnation of Jesus Christ and that he needed to die so the world could continue. It took me a bit to convince him that the cannabinoid he smoked didn’t make him this way, it simply pulled the trigger of what was already present in his son. I’ll never forget his face when it dawned on him that the subtext of our discussion was me telling him that from here on out, he is going to have to manage his expectations for his son differently.

I imagine Myrna has had more than a few of these episodes of utter despair and probably carries on with enormous guilt, but that is all she really can do: carry on. Much like how families have to cut ties with addicts, everybody has to cut slingload when it comes to Lucas. Having him in your personal life is detrimental to one’s well being I imagine.

I’m so glad you are able to offer your insight on Lucas’s bizarre behaviour and mental illness with your background. It’s a hard thing to understand how someone can possibly get this way

Edit: I think if I had to sum it up in two words at the core of Lucas’s being is pathological entitlement. He literally believes the world owes him something and it’s quite astounding to witness that mentality in someone who has spent nearly 42 years on Earth and never grown out of how a toddler views the world and those around them.

Someone can be mentally retarded and still understand at their core that the world doesn’t revolve around them and actually fit into society with assistance and support. Lucas for whatever reason simply can’t understand that he is not the focus of the world despite all of the evidence to the contrary that shows he’s not.

If I didn’t know Lucas’s background I would have assumed he was someone extremely isolated and sheltered with parents to do everything for him and little to no social interaction. It’s partly true but Lucas’s isolation was his own doing and no one seemed to instil in him that it was his own fault he didn’t have many friends. I mean we see pictures of his school photos and he looks like he is pushed off to the side. Something isn’t right to the people around him. And we know there were those who tried to help him socialize but he has no understanding of social relations besides what he can observe on some collective surface level and then abstract rules from based on how he thinks said group demographic beliefs are supposed to make them act and why that should make them accept him and take responsibility for him.

Going about seeing the world this way must make him so mad inside. I know he’s afraid of confrontation but damn it’s a good thing he is also lazy and gluttonous otherwise he probably would have gone out on a rampage by now with all the pent up rage at Christians and Gen Z.

 

[Da Dude123]

So, I think Myrna and her husband realized that Lucas was in deep trouble being in LA. While that incident was hilarious and enjoyable, it was very dangerous. LA is a rough town and the hobo populace out there is seasoned and mean.

Spokane is quite tame compared to LA. Myrna and her husband probably knew their bovine son would not last long in such a place. And that they did not want to allow him to end up murdered. I think more because it would reflect poorly on them if they did nothing to help him.

Now, they do seem okay with Lucas freezing to death on the streets of Spokane in the winter time. But Lucas being a dumb cow and flying to LA to get murdered by some cholos may be too hard to explain to Myrna's book club friends.

I dunno. The relationship with his parents is a tough one. I kinda get why it irks people that Myrna is yuppying it up in Mexico while their dumb autistic son mooos around in a one star nursing home paid for by the taxpayers. Myrna seems like a shitty person and I think she overall has written off Lucas. But I feel maybe she could do more to get him help, but that is easier said than done.

 

[Da Dude123]

Now the cow is bringing up childhood vacations to lure in the baby zooms. Lunacy! Complete lunacy !

 

[SupSilver]

Isn't it the big man himself 's birthday today?

At 42 the half plus seven rule says the youngest person you should date is 28 . Those zoomer baes are slipping further and further out of reach!

 

[GleamingTheQ-Bert]

Isn't it the big man himself 's birthday today?

At 42 the half plus seven rule says the youngest person you should date is 28 . Those zoomer baes are slipping further and further out of reach!

I thought it was the 27th?

If @SupSilver or I are wrong, I'm taking it as a personal strength that despite the vast volume of Wernnology I have in my brain, I don't have his birthday memorized. Yet. Even though I probably do.

 

[mothman96]

I'm more convinced that there was no "married woman in texas" who sent him money but it was more mommy and stepdaddy bailing him out and he was too embarrassed to say that.

If it had been Myrna and Larry that paid for the bus I don't think the Creep would have stayed quiet about it. He would have brought it up to make it look like his mother and stepdad "love him so much" they will do anything for him. He did bring up they paid for 2 days at Motel 6.

ETA:
@SupSilver , @GleamingTheQ-Bert
The Freak's birthday is the 27th.

 

[Wernology]

Isn't it the big man himself 's birthday today?

At 42 the half plus seven rule says the youngest person you should date is 28 . Those zoomer baes are slipping further and further out of reach!

It's the 27th.

 

[Margo Martindale]

arent millenials like 35 now?

Yeah, the thread title should probably be updated. Dont think hes mentioned millenials for a few years, its all zoomers hes obsessed with now