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Oddjob OTP said:
Well, in that particular case it was more a degenerate combo deck doing degenerate combo deck things (basically a gruul version of this deck in standard "best cards banned" event happening now), all except like maybe 5 of those creatures/tokens/planeswalker were cast that turn and given haste until end of turn. Basically, I impulse 2 whenever I cast a legend, ignore the legend rule, and take RG off the cost of casting legends. When you have a Birgi out all spells give you 1 red mana that lasts all turn (and you can have multiples ofc), all my legends (i.e. all creatures except the springleaf drum elves) cost 0/1/2.

Opponent sat through me casting 15 spells and then roped me for 3 extensions while he watched his timer and then emoted before priority passed back to try to waste more of my time like I don't have a second monitor with YouTube open because I run into ropers probably more then 1/10 games. And again, he probably could have won if he tapped his creatures to keep pressure on me while I tried to find my bard class because I took a good hand that didn't start with it or mirror box in a matchup I couldn't attack into before hitting the critical mass combo.
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That board state makes more sense if it was just the result of a big combo, and your opponent was a dickhead.
 
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Would it make more sense to have the fucking Arena cards that randomly generate a card to be fucking tokens that just have the mana cost and what the card does but it has what it's supposed to be from as a subtype but they can be in your hand until the next game?
 
Retink said:
You know, I've noticed that more and more board states are like this recently, where it's just a pile of crap on both sides whereas before there tended to be a lot of stuff played but most of it was consistently going away. I guess some can argue that means answers are too good, but it could also mean there's a lack of interaction if everything just sticks around for a long time. That and maybe tokens look more like physical objects on Arena, but token generation was more limited back in the day outside of a niche.
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To be fair, Oddjob is playing Bardclass Combo, which is just storm with Gruul Legendary creatures instead of Tendrils.

Also the event in @Cats post did not happen, none of it, the "NURDS STIMKY!" trope is such horseshit, fucking 80% of people stink like ass. Nerd or Not.
 
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Had a discussion about this in random pics and gifs, but while I don't play Magic, it's fucking hilarious to me that a game where 99.9% of the players were white males now features 100% black people on the cards' art.

Like, what? This is one of those things where you never really thought about before Woke, but Woke is right, there are "spaces" for specific groups of people, so why can't white males have their own "spaces"? Blacks wouldn't like it if you turned on BET and saw nothing but white country music singers.

I know this is all old news but the absurdity of the idea that anything that could be described as a "white space" or a "white male space" has to be intentionally invaded and diversified by force just never ceases to amaze me, leave us the fuck alone you freaks, get out of our way, get out of our hair, why make a problem where there previously was none? Who was being harmed by the fact that the majority of Magic players were nerdy white dudes?

It's just nuts and only creates racism where there was none before, because now a black person is no longer just another person, but a symbol for a mindset that hates you and wants to invade and take everything you like away from you, whereas before no one would have actually cared if you did happen to be black and liked something like Magic.

All I'm saying is let something be what it naturally is, who wants to show up will show up, don't artificially force anything because that just fosters resentment because the truth is nothing in nerd culture was necessarily literally a "white male space", nobody was going "hey wait a minute, you're black, you can't play this", nobody gave a single shit, but if you go out of your way to intentionally alienate white men from these hobbies that's when we have trouble.

We weren't bothering anybody, so stop bothering us.
 
Also in Arena Economy news, for some fucking reason they are planning on selling you 12 rare wildcards and 4 mythic wildcards for 50 dollars, which is a very slightly better value then just opening packs if you didn't get any cards in the deal and just got wildcard progress. The other changes are selling a guaranteed mythic instead of a rare-or-better pack for 1.3k gold and changing constructed event rewards to packs/gems like limited (which might be better; but it's hard to say without seeing the reward structure).

Pretty terrible, but they are thinking about maybe letting you fight sparky with cards you don't own and favoriting lands so it stops shoving <current set> basics in every deck you make.
 
Dom Cruise said:
Had a discussion about this in random pics and gifs, but while I don't play Magic, it's fucking hilarious to me that a game where 99.9% of the players were white males now features 100% black people on the cards' art.

Like, what? This is one of those things where you never really thought about before Woke, but Woke is right, there are "spaces" for specific groups of people, so why can't white males have their own "spaces"? Blacks wouldn't like it if you turned on BET and saw nothing but white country music singers.

I know this is all old news but the absurdity of the idea that anything that could be described as a "white space" or a "white male space" has to be intentionally invaded and diversified by force just never ceases to amaze me, leave us the fuck alone you freaks, get out of our way, get out of our hair, why make a problem where there previously was none? Who was being harmed by the fact that the majority of Magic players were nerdy white dudes?

It's just nuts and only creates racism where there was none before, because now a black person is no longer just another person, but a symbol for a mindset that hates you and wants to invade and take everything you like away from you, whereas before no one would have actually cared if you did happen to be black and liked something like Magic.

All I'm saying is let something be what it naturally is, who wants to show up will show up, don't artificially force anything because that just fosters resentment because the truth is nothing in nerd culture was necessarily literally a "white male space", nobody was going "hey wait a minute, you're black, you can't play this", nobody gave a single shit, but if you go out of your way to intentionally alienate white men from these hobbies that's when we have trouble.

We weren't bothering anybody, so stop bothering us.
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No retreat. No reprieve. No matter what.

If they had to suffer through being told no in 2016, why should anyone else be allowed to escape from the politics of Current Year?

The sad thing is that the people playing the game weren't the ones that let in the worst of the nonsense, it was the company making it. Not to say that nerds were all that good at gatekeeping anyways; the only spot where they held the line a bit happened to be vidya.
 
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AnotherPleb said:
The sad thing is that the people playing the game weren't the ones that let in the worst of the nonsense, it was the company making it and the websites that cover Magic. Not to say that nerds were all that good at gatekeeping anyways; the only spot where they held the line a bit happened to be vidya.
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Let's not let the various Magic fan/news sites off the hook - nearly all of them including SCG and CFB (which might have been able to make WotC reconsider since they heavily support the tournament scene) either went along with it or stayed silent. Just look at those two TiMs who won a pair of tourneys during the 2010s, one literally used autistic grunts to distract his opponents while the other broke the rules (in fairness it was almost certainly a misplay and the guy would have won either way) but the only coverage of that was to say it was coming from transphobes trying to distract from the "historic" wins.

The kicker? Outside of those two tourneys WotC is extremely strict on rules violations - even if it was an honest mistake that did not change the game's outcome, at a minimum the judge would force the players to "rewind" the game to the point where the first violation happened. If it had been the other way around (relatively normal guy makes a mistake and beats a TiM) you know judges would have stepped in and the whole incident would have been painted as an attempt to steal the tournament.
 
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AnotherPleb said:
No retreat. No reprieve. No matter what.

If they had to suffer through being told no in 2016, why should anyone else be allowed to escape from the politics of Current Year?

The sad thing is that the people playing the game weren't the ones that let in the worst of the nonsense, it was the company making it. Not to say that nerds were all that good at gatekeeping anyways; the only spot where they held the line a bit happened to be vidya.
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I was the one who he was talking about it to and honestly it isn't even keeping Certain People out for me ("gatekeeping"). IDGAF if I play cards with a nigger or a tranny or if theres niggers on my cards (Mirage was a great set and I loved it and those cards were festooned with niggers though admittedly they werent all drawn to look like modern day BLM looters and stereotypical "innapennit black wymyn") my problem is that they made a whole fucking thing about it and in my other post I mentioned the worst part of it for me was the little white cucks and the reasons those things are on the cards now.

its the WHY not the WHAT. And ofc being unable to avoid politics when i wanna indulge in my hobby is also fucking irritating
 
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AnotherPleb said:
No retreat. No reprieve. No matter what.

If they had to suffer through being told no in 2016, why should anyone else be allowed to escape from the politics of Current Year?

The sad thing is that the people playing the game weren't the ones that let in the worst of the nonsense, it was the company making it. Not to say that nerds were all that good at gatekeeping anyways; the only spot where they held the line a bit happened to be vidya.
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I know it's all old news that's been talked about a ton, but it still never ceases to amaze me, white male nerds were just off in our own little corner, not bothering anybody, not doing anything to anybody, until suddenly a narrative was created they we were being exclusionary towards anyone who wasn't a white male, which was 100% not true.

But what pissed them off is the fact that we were doing our own thing, tuning out their propaganda and their bullshit, that's why they went on the attack, you're not supposed to just "turn it off" like the viewscreens in 1984, they want you focused and committed to their politics, you're not allowed to just "check out" of the Great Cause.

It's the same reason they fucked hipster culture in the ass as well, 2000s mainstream culture wasn't Woke but it was already pretty "diversified" so some white people simply went "that's cool, you guys have fun, we'll be off over here doing our own thing" but again, we can't have that, No retreat. No reprieve. Like you said.

But it's not like either of things were strictly "white" things, they weren't, but they were people tuning out of mainstream culture and doing their own thing, which was the problem and why the identity card was used to destroy them.

twattycake said:
Let's not let the various Magic fan/news sites off the hook - nearly all of them including SCG and CFB (which might have been able to make WotC reconsider since they heavily support the tournament scene) either went along with it or stayed silent.
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The optics of saying "there's too many black people in these cards now!" would have sounded bad, which is how they were able to get away with it, it's always how they were able to get away with this shit by using various identities as a shield even though it's really not about the identity, it's about the wider context.

It was almost too perfect a golden opportunity for a grift and oh baby did they exploit it for all that it was worth.
 
twattycake said:
Let's not let the various Magic fan/news sites off the hook - nearly all of them including SCG and CFB (which might have been able to make WotC reconsider since they heavily support the tournament scene) either went along with it or stayed silent. Just look at those two TiMs who won a pair of tourneys during the 2010s, one literally used autistic grunts to distract his opponents while the other broke the rules (in fairness it was almost certainly a misplay and the guy would have won either way) but the only coverage of that was to say it was coming from transphobes trying to distract from the "historic" wins.

The kicker? Outside of those two tourneys WotC is extremely strict on rules violations - even if it was an honest mistake that did not change the game's outcome, at a minimum the judge would force the players to "rewind" the game to the point where the first violation happened. If it had been the other way around (relatively normal guy makes a mistake and beats a TiM) you know judges would have stepped in and the whole incident would have been painted as an attempt to steal the tournament.
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Awfully convenient for WOTC that the pandemic destroyed the tournament scene being run by those sites - now it's Arena, and I can see them tipping the scales for those they like in the reshuffling algos in tournaments. Alchemy has made it clear - for all stuff that WOTC cares about, it's Arena or Nothing.
Dom Cruise said:
I know it's all old news that's been talked about a ton, but it still never ceases to amaze me, white male nerds were just off in our own little corner, not bothering anybody, not doing anything to anybody, until suddenly a narrative was created they we were being exclusionary towards anyone who wasn't a white male, which was 100% not true.

But what pissed them off is the fact that we were doing our own thing, tuning out their propaganda and their bullshit, that's why they went on the attack, you're not supposed to just "turn it off" like the viewscreens in 1984, they want you focused and committed to their politics, you're not allowed to just "check out" of the Great Cause.

It's the same reason they fucked hipster culture in the ass as well, 2000s mainstream culture wasn't Woke but it was already pretty "diversified" so some white people simply went "that's cool, you guys have fun, we'll be off over here doing our own thing" but again, we can't have that, No retreat. No reprieve. Like you said.

But it's not like either of things were strictly "white" things, they weren't, but they were people tuning out of mainstream culture and doing their own thing, which was the problem and why the identity card was used to destroy them.
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They were culturally seen as white guy nerd things, which is why they had to be woke'd. You never saw this kind of thing with rap or hip-hop where white girls were forcibly injected in what's clearly a black male scene. But enough on that, when you focus on wokeshit you focus less on making the game fun. After all, why not push a card because it's made for a person of a certain gender or ethnicity?

Fuck, I miss when people were allowed to have fun things in their own areas.
 
AnotherPleb said:
Awfully convenient for WOTC that the pandemic destroyed the tournament scene being run by those sites - now it's Arena, and I can see them tipping the scales for those they like in the reshuffling algos in tournaments. Alchemy has made it clear - for all stuff that WOTC cares about, it's Arena or Nothing.
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If they push Magic to Arena I think it will make the game far worse in terms of health in the long run. Magic is not a fun game to play online, to stream, or to watch played online because it's a complicated game and has a lot of player interaction, or at least it had in the past if it doesn't now. Maybe if virtual reality with the Metaverse gets huge you can just replicate live play there, but until then either online play will always be inferior or they will gut the game completely.
 
The lack of communication or any physical presence really makes waiting for the retard on the other end aggravating. I use the MTGArena.Pro addon to keep track of draw chances etc, and it tracks the amount of time my opponent holds priority. It's a rare game that I don't take half the time my opponent does even if I'm playing control with a full hand against an aggro player playing out their hand on curve. Waiting has never been that bad in paper or against friends on Cockatrice/Lackey but when some ape hovers over my creature played in like 10-20% of all decks in standard as though this is the first time they've read it I get salty.
 
Dom Cruise said:
The optics of saying "there's too many black people in these cards now!" would have sounded bad, which is how they were able to get away with it, it's always how they were able to get away with this shit by using various identities as a shield even though it's really not about the identity, it's about the wider context.
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I guess I did a bad job explaining myself or understanding the thread then - I was arguing that the support for giving troons a break on fan + news sites meant they had followed WotC's lead and gone woke in general, not that they should have written opinion pieces saying "no more darkies". What they could have done, but refused to do, was point out that the mid-2010s (around the time WotC got woke) was when design, story, and tourney play started having problems - the two rotations / year idea was so poorly received that they abandoned it after the first time and Kaladesh Standard was the most broken the format has been since at least Worldwake. My personal pet theory is that WotC either used Kaladesh as a test run for Standard with reduced quality control/playtesting on the understanding bans might be necessary, or they saw how badly their playtesting + quality control departments dropped the ball and decided that calling it the new normal would be easier and cheaper than fixing the problem.

Dom Cruise said:
It was almost too perfect a golden opportunity for a grift and oh baby did they exploit it for all that it was worth.
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Your post sounds like you think it's going away fairly soon and I envy your optimism. Arena launched a few years after WotC went woke and has basically been a license to print money. Even if the woke stuff is hurting sales it will be drowned out by Arena profits so all management will see is huge growth, not growth held back by Ma
 
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