Magic The Gathering

[SilenceIsViolence]

The only thing about Commander Legends is that it has the commander draft format, that's fine - but charging a premium when so much of the set is just not worth much at all is what's sinking it.

Totally agreed.

I'm also of the opinion that where the original Legends had a lot of really fun and interesting cards that played around (sometimes a bit much) with the format, this one was mostly dry. Initiative being an upgraded monarch is cool, but monarch is also super easy to remember without the stupid help card.

I don't know if I agree here, I really think the cards are underrated and not too dry at all. I think the community consensus is that they are dry and a lot of people take that as fact, but having played a bunch of it I personally think it's a decent set. Myriad and Goad led to a lot of fun gameplay and politics, Trisha and Elminster are fairly unique and interesting commanders, Copper Dragon is very strong, Displacer Kitten is crazy. Alaundo is a pretty janky card I'm currently working on a deck for - idk, I think if you took most of the set out of context of it's name and placement/timing, it's fun. Definitely was a lot more fun limited than SNC.

Also, outside of the limited draft, I'm pretty sure Initiative triggers any non-completed dungeon, leading to way better mechanics with other cards outside of the set.

I really wish this set was called Commander Core or something similar, it would have fit so much better and I think expectations would have been milder, leading to the set better well received.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

set boosters

Hey I got a 30 Dollar rare out of a set booster, The list isn't perfect but that isn't the dumbest idea on the planet. (also Drafting with Set boosters instead of Draft Boosters is kind of fun because you can just get something fucked up in your draft)

Collectors Boosters however can die in a faggot fucking fire.

 

[I'mma real anime gurl]

Hey I got a 30 Dollar rare out of a set booster, The list isn't perfect but that isn't the dumbest idea on the planet. (also Drafting with Set boosters instead of Draft Boosters is kind of fun because you can just get something fucked up in your draft)

Collectors Boosters however can die in a faggot fucking fire.

I feel that Set boosters are a watering down of regular packs. Like if you want something to open while not drafting with it why not make the set boosters like old boosters prior to Zendikar Rising and have the draft boosters be pesudo mystery boosters except tooled for drafting.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I feel that Set boosters are a watering down of regular packs. Like if you want something to open while not drafting with it why not make the set boosters like old boosters prior to Zendikar Rising and have the draft boosters be pesudo mystery boosters except tooled for drafting.

Well the idea is to have a list of cards that need reprints that won't fuck up standard/pioneer/modern.

it is just that WOTC is fucking stupid won't put good shit on it.

 

[SilenceIsViolence]

Hey I got a 30 Dollar rare out of a set booster, The list isn't perfect but that isn't the dumbest idea on the planet. (also Drafting with Set boosters instead of Draft Boosters is kind of fun because you can just get something fucked up in your draft)

Collectors Boosters however can die in a faggot fucking fire.

In a perfect world, Collector boosters would be expensive, subsidizing the price of draft boosters as the collector-fags would purchase those, leaving plenty of draft boxes for the people who just want to play the game.

But this is not a perfect world.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

In a perfect world, Collector boosters would be expensive,

I mean..40 Bucks for one is kind of expensive.

 

[SilenceIsViolence]

I mean..40 Bucks for one is kind of expensive.

Badly phrased, mb - I meant would be expensive *in leu of everything else being expensive too*. Like, Collectors would be expensive, bringing down the price of draft boosters. Instead, WotC made expensive collectors boosters, made premium draft boosters called set boosters (which cost more) and then also raised the price of draft boosters in general. Sad!

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Badly phrased, mb - I meant would be expensive *in leu of everything else being expensive too*. Like, Collectors would be expensive, bringing down the price of draft boosters. Instead, WotC made expensive collectors boosters, made premium draft boosters called set boosters (which cost more) and then also raised the price of draft boosters in general. Sad!

Gotta funnel more money into Arena after utterly fucking it with Alchemy. Alchemy because people will love it if we make a card with 8 Variant versions depending on what you discard to it's ability.

That will make more than 4 people play it right?

 

[Flexo]

Fire the fucker who made set boosters and collector boosters

True, but I opened a CL:BG set booster with 2 mythics, 2 rares, and a rare foil so it's hard for me to complain.

 

[Retink]

You ever look at the flavor of a card when it uses keywords and wonder how someone didn't look at it and attempt a second draft to make it not sound idiotic?

 

[Oddjob OTP]

Supposedly Alchemy isn't even a complete flop and is at least more popular then Explorer. This disagrees with popular sentiment (the most vocal part of the internet hates alchemy), YouTube viewership (the only Alchemy videos that get views are the think pieces slagging it) and games tracked using 3rd party programs (although they only track games containing at least one PC player that chooses to use a tracker, obviously). It's possible that the people that play alchemy are just drone whale mobile fags looking for something different from Runeterra/Hearthstone that don't interact with anyone else in the "community" though.

 

[AnotherPleb]

"We, the makers of a children's card game, are super upset that there will now be more children!"

If the consoomers have kids they won't have cash for MTG

Fire the fucker who made set boosters and collector boosters

WOTC doesn't care, they have whales to hunt!

Hey I got a 30 Dollar rare out of a set booster, The list isn't perfect but that isn't the dumbest idea on the planet. (also Drafting with Set boosters instead of Draft Boosters is kind of fun because you can just get something fucked up in your draft)

Collectors Boosters however can die in a faggot fucking fire.

Collector boosters killed opening draft boxes and they gained a new way to milk millennials with no kids.

Well the idea is to have a list of cards that need reprints that won't fuck up standard/pioneer/modern.

it is just that WOTC is fucking stupid won't put good shit on it.

If WOTC used The List for meaningful reprints then Secret Lairs would lose almost all of their purpose.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

If WOTC used The List for meaningful reprints then Secret Lairs would lose almost all of their purpose.

LOL as if the Secret Lairs have good reprints.

It's all Fags and Niggers hiding that one card is worth more than 10 Bucks.

 

[AnotherPleb]

LOL as if the Secret Lairs have good reprints.

It's all Fags and Niggers hiding that one card is worth more than 10 Bucks.

They have better reprints than Standard will ever get again.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

They have better reprints than Standard will ever get again.

I mean we got the Hero's downfall reprinting people have been asking for since it left standard (hilariously it isn't even that good anymore)

Sadly they really can't reprint good things into standard without turning standard into a mess, like do we really want...Food Chain in standard?

 

[cuddle striker]

It's possible that could happen, but I'm not sure it would be the best move for Wizards of the Coast. Timespiral Remastered was a bit of a flop, and I don't think they would want to risk another failed product. Plus, with so many other products coming out in the next few months (including some highly anticipated ones), I'm not sure they would want to take attention away from those by randomly releasing boxes of Masters 25 or whatever else at a higher than retail price.

I have a few boxes of TSR set aside to draft with friends, and a MH1 & 2 box or two for the same reason. I'm not interested in the current set much, I know there's staples in there but I'm already tired of the mechanics in this and have only drafted it once.

Probably because I mostly play 60 card eternal formats and only barely care about edh

 

[Oddjob OTP]

I mean we got the Hero's downfall reprinting people have been asking for since it left standard (hilariously it isn't even that good anymore)

Sadly they really can't reprint good things into standard without turning standard into a mess, like do we really want...Food Chain in standard?

I'm always surprised that even though Standard is low powered how many cards actually make it into eternal formats. Expressive Iteration being a pretty big example recently getting banned out of Pioneer but you also have shit like Ledger Shredder being an all star in any tempo-y deck that casts creatures and likes discard or filtering. Hell, I recently watched a youtuber talking about his winning a local legacy tourney with a Esper Displacer Kitten control list and was talking about how great a card Night Clubber was in it (since you can blink it multiple times a round) which is a card I don't think I've seen anyone cast even in limited.

 

[cuddle striker]

I'm always surprised that even though Standard is low powered how many cards actually make it into eternal formats. Expressive Iteration being a pretty big example recently getting banned out of Pioneer but you also have shit like Ledger Shredder being an all star in any tempo-y deck that casts creatures and likes discard or filtering. Hell, I recently watched a youtuber talking about his winning a local legacy tourney with a Esper Displacer Kitten control list and was talking about how great a card Night Clubber was in it (since you can blink it multiple times a round) which is a card I don't think I've seen anyone cast even in limited.

night clubber blitz is good against an early delver, making it relevant in some local formats

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I'm always surprised that even though Standard is low powered how many cards actually make it into eternal formats. Expressive Iteration being a pretty big example recently getting banned out of Pioneer but you also have shit like Ledger Shredder being an all star in any tempo-y deck that casts creatures and likes discard or filtering. Hell, I recently watched a youtuber talking about his winning a local legacy tourney with a Esper Displacer Kitten control list and was talking about how great a card Night Clubber was in it (since you can blink it multiple times a round) which is a card I don't think I've seen anyone cast even in limited.

Eternal formats can be really weird sometimes.

Expressive Iteration is just a generic good card, as is Ledger Shredder.

Night Clubber (which I have cast in limited, Blitz is kind of scary powerful in limited sometimes, Ball Lightnings that replace themselves make for some super pressure) is the exact sort of thing that is playable sometimes but requires a shell that it can be used in, or requires formats that line up well with them.

Like right now, In Legacy there are a ton of Murktides around right? Well Karrthus, Tyrant of Jund is a Natural Order target that is an absolute Blow Out against Murktide. "Oops you thought I was gonna Hoof? TAKE 10+ In the air.

If not for Murktide Karrthus would be unplayable and that kind of stuff happens all the time, like back when they unbanned Blood Braid Elf it didn't do a whole lot because playing Tireless Tracker was an acceptable replacement that required less colors so you could just play Golgari instead of Jund...until Wrenn and Six came out and gave you 2 big reasons to be Jund.

 

[Rich Evans Ayypologist]

Myriad and Goad led to a lot of fun gameplay and politics,

Myriad I'm happy they brought back, but it's an old mechanic. Same as Goad. The new mechanics are another form of partner, Initiative, and... uh, everything else is just kindof rehashing old ideas. Old commander legends introduced encore, brought back monarch (just easier to manage than initiative), brought back cascade, and had some really damn interesting partner and standalone commanders to make endless amounts of variety with. Backgrounds being limited to commanders with Background in the 'zone leads to... some generally pretty straightforward and boring combinations, by comparison.

Definitely was a lot more fun limited than SNC.

SNC limited is pretty good... well, if I just pretend that overseer doesn't exist. Overseer is such a stupid, cracked-ass common that the whole thing is weighted towards white tempo decks, it's kindof dumb. And unlike a local pod, where you're going to play against people who were drafting from the same pod and thus there might be an advantage to reading the signs and shifting to the unpopular combos, Arena makes it so that your last three games to 7 wins will almost always be against someone in UW, usually with the green splash. The format being mostly a 2-color format with room for splashing is not really what anyone expected, but surprise surprise the Wx decks going fast does that

Night Clubber was in it (since you can blink it multiple times a round) which is a card I don't think I've seen anyone cast even in limited.

That card is absolute gas, and is one of the premium black uncommons. It snipes citizen tokens and court officials, replaces itself on the blitz, can enable some big swings, and the blitz is easy to splash.