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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
And Phoenix if you discard your Arclights, exchanging 2 cards that aren't useful for 2 cards that are useful is card advantage, and I was pointing out it is card advantage in graveyard strategies, which has been strong in some form or another in modern for years.

My mistake, I've never touched Death Shadow.
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Getting that magical double Arclight wasn't as common as you'd hope most the time you'd be getting them with a Phoenix and a Awoken Horror. Not to say there wasn't a time where I had 3-4 Phoenix on turn 2, and I was shocked as the other person when I hit the 4th.

New Narset shut it down really well too and god help you if they chalice of the void on 1.

No biggie on the DS thing, I wasn't quite sure myself and had to look at some lists from a few weeks before the ban got announced to just confirm what I was thinking.
 
Ebonic Tutor said:
Getting that magical double Arclight wasn't as common as you'd hope most the time you'd be getting them with a Phoenix and a Awoken Horror.
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I am not saying it was, but dumping 1 Pheonix and 1 Land for two cantrips is in the area of what people consider to be card advantage. That is why JVP is such a powerful effect. Early game he sculps your hand, late game he flashbacks something powerful.
 
Of the sac mechanic artifact tokens, which is better?

Clue (2, sac: draw a card)?

Treasure (tap, sac: add one mana of any color)?

Or Food (2, tap, sac: Gain 3 life)?
 
Ebonic Tutor said:
Getting that magical double Arclight wasn't as common as you'd hope most the time you'd be getting them with a Phoenix and a Awoken Horror. Not to say there wasn't a time where I had 3-4 Phoenix on turn 2, and I was shocked as the other person when I hit the 4th.

New Narset shut it down really well too and god help you if they chalice of the void on 1.
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The B&R list is sensitive to public opinion even if Wizards won't admit to it-Izzet Phoenix was one of Modern's big boogeymen when Hogaak released,the Looting ban was probably Wizards' attempt to preempt complaints about Phoenix and Hollow One if they kept it legal.


breadandcircuses said:
Of the sac mechanic artifact tokens, which is better?

Clue (2, sac: draw a card)?

Treasure (tap, sac: add one mana of any color)?

Or Food (2, tap, sac: Gain 3 life)?
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Food is the worst of the bunch-you need "Food matters" cards in addition to Food creators to make it worthwhile while Treasure and Clue/Investigate are useful in a vacuum. It doesn't help that creators/Food matters is spread across Abzan colors (plus a few in Blue) in a set with no dual-color lands.

Clue is better in slower/control decks while treasure is better in burn/aggro.
 
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I use Treasure tokens as an alternative wincon for my B/W commander deck and they're good too have regardless...
 
breadandcircuses said:
I use Treasure tokens as an alternative wincon for my B/W commander deck and they're good too have regardless...
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Dockside Extortionist is busted as fuck for commander but he's in red.

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breadandcircuses said:
Of the sac mechanic artifact tokens, which is better?

Clue (2, sac: draw a card)?

Treasure (tap, sac: add one mana of any color)?

Or Food (2, tap, sac: Gain 3 life)?
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Clue, not even a contest, before Wren and Six became a thing in Modern Horizons Golgari was still superior to Jund because while Blood Braid Elf is really good, Tireless Tracker fits that same sort of mold without having to dip into a third color. If you wanna see a beating, find a Jund Match up that has the line of W+6 - Liliana of the Veil - Tireless Tracker.
 
breadandcircuses said:
Smothering Tithe and Revel in Riches!
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If you really want to make everybody hate you may I suggest Rest in Peace/Leyline of the Void + Helm of Obedience. It's a favorite of mine, and you got all the black tutors and enlightened tutor in white.

So this is Helm of Obedience:
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with Oracle text reading like this:
Variable Colorless
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Tap
: Target opponent puts cards from the top of their library into their graveyard until a creature card or X cards are put into that graveyard this way, whichever comes first. If a creature card is put into that graveyard this way, sacrifice Helm of Obedience and put that card onto the battlefield under your control. X can't be 0.

Well this combined with Leyline of the Void
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or Rest in Peace
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make something interesting happen with it.

Let's say you name 1 for X on helm with one of those enchantments out, well 1 card never goes to the graveyard, so it keeps trying till their whole deck is exiled. GG.

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Thank you weird ass wording on old cards.
 
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Honestly I've been enjoying new Modern. I love playing a deck besides Eldrazi Tron and feeling like I actually stand a chance at a tournament.
 
Ebonic Tutor said:
If you really want to make everybody hate you may I suggest Rest in Peace/Leyline of the Void + Helm of Obedience. It's a favorite of mine, and you got all the black tutors and enlightened tutor in white.

So this is Helm of Obedience:
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with Oracle text reading like this:
Variable Colorless
,
Tap
: Target opponent puts cards from the top of their library into their graveyard until a creature card or X cards are put into that graveyard this way, whichever comes first. If a creature card is put into that graveyard this way, sacrifice Helm of Obedience and put that card onto the battlefield under your control. X can't be 0.

Well this combined with Leyline of the Void View attachment 939591 or Rest in Peace View attachment 939593 make something interesting happen with it.

Let's say you name 1 for X on helm with one of those enchantments out, well 1 card never goes to the graveyard, so it keeps trying till their whole deck is exiled. GG.

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Thank you weird ass wording on old cards.
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That's just mean.

I don't know if it fits thematically.

The whole idea is that winning in this deck is one of several ways. Collecting Interest (Extort), Repaying Loans (Lifelink), Being Rich (Smothering Tithe + Revel in Riches), or just sending the leg breakers after you (so many tokens!). Basically, having the bank guild act like a bank.
 
breadandcircuses said:
That's just mean.

I don't know if it fits thematically.

The whole idea is that winning in this deck is one of several ways. Collecting Interest (Extort), Repaying Loans (Lifelink), Being Rich (Smothering Tithe + Revel in Riches), or just sending the leg breakers after you (so many tokens!). Basically, having the bank guild act like a bank.
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Eh, the whole making sure the dead stay dead angle of it is about all I got there. But you could tax the shit out of em with stuff like Leonin Arbiter, Ghostly Prison, and Norn's Annex
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You do have Blind Obedience in there right? It's one of the best extort cards there is.
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You know I do.

I slapped in an Orzhov Advokist too, because I think the temptation for them to not attack me to make creatures bigger to beat each other up would be nice.

And then on my turn I drop a wrath

But yeah, either of those three would be really nice to add in, holy smokes.

Currently, my land base is 8 Plains, 8 Swamps, every single major W/B dual land (except for the true dual because I ain't made of money, as well as the Tempest and Tainted land), and Urborg + Coffers jank.
 
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So, any of you nerds play legacy?
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I did till Deathrite Shaman got the axe. I really dug 4-color leovold.

Other than that I played a smattering of delver and stoneblade stuff with a stint where I actually played a legacy RIP/Helm list. It wasn't good but sometimes you still just got em with it. I got to explain that combo to a guy that showed up to a legacy event with a "hate bears" deck, well he took this literally and was running nothing but 2/2's for 2 bear creatures,giant growth, ect. Also had to translate my Italian Moat for him once I dropped that on him. I felt kinda bad but dude was lying through his teeth trying to be cool while he got smashed hard that first time.

Funny thing is my ANT playing buddy lost to him cause he managed to punt 2 games in row trying to do the combo.
 
Ebonic Tutor said:
I did till Deathrite Shaman got the axe. I really dug 4-color leovold.

Other than that I played a smattering of delver and stoneblade stuff with a stint where I actually played a legacy RIP/Helm list. It wasn't good but sometimes you still just got em with it. I got to explain that combo to a guy that showed up to a legacy event with a "hate bears" deck, well he took this literally and was running nothing but 2/2's for 2 bear creatures,giant growth, ect. Also had to translate my Italian Moat for him once I dropped that on him. I felt kinda bad but dude was lying through his teeth trying to be cool while he got smashed hard that first time.

Funny thing is my ANT playing buddy lost to him cause he managed to punt 2 games in row trying to do the combo.
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Unless you’re familiar, 4c decks are back with wrenn and six, although the card is a bit overinflated price wise right now. Plus you lose to any deck running blood moon or back to basics because the lists run no basics
 
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Unless you’re familiar, 4c decks are back with wrenn and six, although the card is a bit overinflated price wise right now. Plus you lose to any deck running blood moon or back to basics because the lists run no basics
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I forgot about W&6 even though I tend to see it weekly when I play modern currently. My mind just goes to the cruel stuff you can do with a Wasteland and W&6, cheaper (CMC wise, not price tag) than crucible even.
 
Ebonic Tutor said:
I forgot about W&6 even though I tend to see it weekly when I play modern currently. My mind just goes to the cruel stuff you can do with a Wasteland and W&6, cheaper (CMC wise, not price tag) than crucible even.
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It isn't even just Wasteland, That Emblem is real dirty with Lightning Bolt/Fatal Push/Assassin's Trophy/K-Command in your Graveyard.
 
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