Marathon 2025 - Bungie's new AAAA Extraction shooter

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Fucker Carlson said:
You could always make a non-live service game if you don't want to worry about player counts.
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Live service has nothing to do with it.

They spent 250+ million and the game has to have dedicated servers in order to work.

Even if the game was completely released there just no way to recoup that development cost with the amount of people who are playing. You could go free to play, but the f2p weekend wasnt doing a whole lot better than the release weekend.

Really this thread should be contemplating the future of this game. Does it get shut down in a month or two? Does Sony make it go f2p and continue hosting?
 
Fucker Carlson said:
No offense dude but there's a fucking reason people do this. No one in the right mind wants to spend money on a live service game that may be about to shut down. No, that graph is not perfect, but it's better than nothing.

You could always make a non-live service game if you don't want to worry about player counts.
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If they made non live service games, people would hold them to a higher standard of quality if they just simply made games like Halo 3 ODST again and the Bungie who fought Microjeet investors tooth and nail for their ideal vision of the game is dead

The community would also be a very "problematic" community and not be oversocialized twitch viewers who are afraid to say naughty words like nigger and harass women and children to get the fuck off the mic instead of grooming them into being trans so there is also a certain level of ideology at play

I remember before Microjeet shut down eldewrito, it had 27k players on at once and Halo Custom Edition had a respectable 12k on at all times for a literally ancient game that is an obscure PC port

A free mod of a failed russian port of Halo 3 had fixed the infamously awful spaghetti-netcode and was less laggy than MCC which came after and had 27k people by word of mouth and would have gotten to at least 120k people if Microjeet's lawyers had not intervened, I want marathon to die a slow and painful death and it seems to be getting that
 
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The Doom Slayer said:
This game's fanbase is legit extremely mentally ill.
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>game is literal trannycore aesthetics and even has that magenta bisexual lightning bullshit
>kultur war faggots decide this is the next game to be their gay battlefield regarding their gay kultur war
>mental illness ensures
i seriously don't know what you expected.
skibidi biden said:
I don't want nu bungie to get a shotgun blast to the back of the head, I want them to be tied up to 343i and doused in gasoline and burnt alive as a sacrifice to the old community they abandoned
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based as fuck, seeing skinwalkers being merged into gay studios is fucking primo, i fucking giggled like a schoolgirl once i saw the news that nuVolition was merged into Gearbox after SaintsRow 2022 failed which means all of the gay devs have to endure Randy's bullshit with a fake smile on their faces or lose their jobs, i hope the exact same shit happens and honestly i'm all up for having certain studios be the "Certified Gay Shit™️ Game Studio" that serves as a sort of hell for these faggots to suffer on in order to vindicate the communities they intentionally pissed off, SUFFAH FAGGOTS, SUFFAH.

also petition to make Randy Pitchford the equivalent of satan of game development to torture all of the faggot game developers that hate gamers and gaming and that all of them get to suffer under his thumb for ÆTERNA or go put the fries in the fucking bag because the gaming industry was never meant for any of these fucking shits.
 
Can someone please explain to me how the absolute geniuses who spent literally millions developing this game, somehow failed to implement a duo queue? Did they know that they would barely have the player numbers to support solos and trios?
 
Wodanaz said:
Can someone please explain to me how the absolute geniuses who spent literally millions developing this game, somehow failed to implement a duo queue? Did they know that they would barely have the player numbers to support solos and trios?
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That money went to making sure the devs understand sociology of art and gender, things that matter like removing aesthetic and privilege hierachy and making sure no male characters look remotely masculine. They focus more on social issues than actual fucking game design and the overbloated budgets exist to enforce that.
 
Wodanaz said:
Can someone please explain to me how the absolute geniuses who spent literally millions developing this game, somehow failed to implement a duo queue? Did they know that they would barely have the player numbers to support solos and trios?
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Honestly the lack of a true duo queue doesn't bug me as much as the fact that Solo play is impossible. Duo's can out fight trios that's not hard, but the AI is made with Trio's in mind and trying to deal with some of the tankier enemies on your own is really fucking hard.

Tarkov's lack of a duo q works because everything can die in like one or two shots, that isn't the case in this game.

Well, it hit 70k

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Jace on ice said:
Say what you will about Cyberpunk but it definitely let's you be a massive asshole something increasingly rare in modern games. V can do some downright heinous shit if you want him to.
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Mike Pondsmith is black Kojima and I feel like he kept CDPR in check from going outright woke with a lot of shit even if they tried to sneak some shit in the base game

The one sidequest in Phantom Liberty where tool goes trans from watching too much porn and thinks he is a pornstar is too on the nose and was objectively one of the best sidequests I have experienced since Old World Blues
 
If there's one thing that really bugs me about this game, it's the story, or rather, the direction they seem to have gone with it.

(Full disclosure, I did not buy this game, I have not played it at all, nor have I really watched any gameplay of it, so I could be talking entirely out of my ass here. Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

Anyone who's played the original trilogy knows that Marathon has a pretty interesting and complicated storyline, especially for a very early FPS. The first game has you dealing with quarreling AIs and alien attacks, all while hints of an underlying story are fed to you through terminal text detailing the state of the solar system, populist/terrorist uprisings, rampancy, and hints of the true purpose of the colonization program. The second game delves more into the backstory of the various aliens, weaving in a dose of cosmic horror as well. And then the third game throws you into time-traveling, universe-hopping insanity, with the cyborg effectively ascending to a higher state of being after finding a timeline that didn't end in cosmic annihilation. Factor in all the historical and philosophical references throughout, and you have a story that is still being discussed and debated over thirty years later.

And that's what makes nu-Marathon all the more depressing. Again, I really haven't looked too deeply into what sort of story the game is giving you or how it's delivered, but just going off of the surface, the core of the story seems to be how the UESC and the corporations it contracted cut corners with the Tau Ceti colony, because, y'know, corpos bad. Haha, isn't it wacky that all the food is in pouches? Anything for a profit! Despite surface-level references to the original trilogy (most prominently Durandal's "escape will make me God" line), it doesn't seem like they're even bothering to do any kind of deeper story. And I'm not even talking about the insanity that Infinity reached, I mean not even managing to reach the level of Marathon 1's story.

Thirty fucking years for a new Marathon game, and the best they can do with the story is "haha corpos suck amirite."
 
JohnWick said:
They are getting some backlash from the hugbox reddit about the MTX. Apparently they are selling single use "stickers" in the store which can only be used on one weapon at a time (LOL).
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Consumable shaders were one of the worst aspects of D2's monetization, which they rightfully did away with in favor of shaders being permanent unlocks. Bizarre to see them attempt to bring them back at a time when community sentiment/trust is extremely low.
 
skibidi biden said:
It was apparent it was woke from the aesthetics of the game. I am extremely good at noticing but I have been memeing the aesthetics of the game as a sort of Neoliberal minimalist flat design for davos class elite pedophiles and 30 year old cali art school hipsters who hate traditional aesthetics and want to make a new framework for what can be considered "cool" without appealing to straight white men like the art for the OG Marathon

I understand what Flopathon wants to achieve aesthetically and other games have done it better like Severed Steel or even Cyberpunk 2077 lmfao, its literally the demoralizing flat brutalist design of Windows 8 taken to 3D, only a woke retard could and would ever enjoy and make that

There is a single character design who isn't totally fucking repulsive and its of course the token deftones e girl the developers give half their paycheck to her onlyfans account, the one who makes the least amount of sense in a game where you are shooting and killing looks the least offensive and that was probably from at least a little bit of self awareness from that faggot Joseph Cross

They will never make a Doomguy or Masterchief letalone a Gordon Freeman because that enforces gender paradigms of men doing manly things
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I'm not even a Destiny player, but I watched their dev diary type video on The Final Shape prior to its release, featuring troon front and center as well as pronouns for every individual. I picked up bits and pieces over time by osmosis, it was clear they were woke long time ago.
Any large AAA developer in North America basically has to be.
 
Professor Donger said:
Well, it hit 70k

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On the launch weekend. During peak player count for any game.
Also: Its getting nuked by everything else.
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That being said, it IS in the top 20. Unless you look at the 24h peak, which bumps it down to place 25.
Also, all time would be an admittedly unfair 243rd spot.

To be fair, Bongo Cat just dropped the multiplayer update, whatever that may entail. (I think it counts how many keystrokes you type?) So Marathon had tough competition.
 
Bananadana said:
On the launch weekend. During peak player count for any game.
Also: Its getting nuked by everything else.
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That being said, it IS in the top 20. Unless you look at the 24h peak, which bumps it down to place 25.
Also, all time would be an admittedly unfair 243rd spot.

To be fair, Bongo Cat just dropped the multiplayer update, whatever that may entail. (I think it counts how many keystrokes you type?) So Marathon had tough competition.
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Marvel Rivals is eating them, fuckin BONGO CAT is eating them.

I thought they'd sustain at least for a month, this is even sadder than I imagined.
 
skibidi biden said:
Mike Pondsmith is black Kojima and I feel like he kept CDPR in check from going outright woke with a lot of shit even if they tried to sneak some shit in the base game

The one sidequest in Phantom Liberty where tool goes trans from watching too much porn and thinks he is a pornstar is too on the nose and was objectively one of the best sidequests I have experienced since Old World Blues
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A lot of degenerate shit fits right in because it's dystopia. I still remember how trannies got mad about some of the in-game posters, even though it's by all accounts exactly the kind of shit they supposedly want. But for the most part, even when they're trying to "celebrate" progressive movement, it's basically impossible because everything in that world is meant to be awful. Self-indulgence and hedonism are clearly shown to be path to hell, easily exploitable by corporations.
The only thing that stood out to me in my playthrough was "Claire" Russell, and more so the fact that you're only ever allowed to go along with they'm.
King Dead said:
irty fucking years for a new Marathon game, and the best they can do with the story is "haha corpos suck amirite."
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Even if I played the games as a kid, I don't remember, there's a good chance that I have. But I did watch MandaloreGaming's series on the franchise, and I really enjoyed it.
That's why I was still bummed up that they reduced Marathon to cynical MTX-ridden PvP extraction shooter. It should've been a proper story-driven singleplayer game, but at this point it's not something Bungie is capable of making.
 
Shreddednerd and Occulturation are a huge inspiration for my way of hating Marathon on its aesthetics above all else as I have referenced him in a previous post. 343i ruining Halo and Bungie leaving and letting Halo collapse was the event that made me an angry chud so this is a very personal thing that digs into an old wound for me to now see their pre Halo game get mishandled.

The other place where I have seen this god awful postmodern aesthetic is in the other place where it does not belong most which is my other big passion, heavy metal. Rock and metal is distinctly straight and white and the powers that be hate that as much as video games being straight and white to where there is now a conspiracy that rock was phased out after Woodstock 1999 when the powers that be realized how much damage they can cause if they get mad. Metal has had a millennial hipster problem and even bands who used to be the very definition of straight, white, and radical like A7X decided to become avant garde art hipsters to repent for their sins of being white and male when they joined the upper class. Nobody who puts these bands in business likes this aesthetic. Avenged sevenfold managed to become as big as Metallica in less time and effectively reintroduced the guitar solo into the mainstream zeitgeist after grunge and nu metal killed it and has legions of fans but a vocal class of critics hate them without really trying them which is why I did not get into A7X as a "starter band." The other band who I have noticed that has done this is Trivium, who is a sister band to A7X and also has a straight white gymbro fanbase. When they decided to go back on their sound, and were considered to be the new wave of guitar gods at the time, on the Crusade to appeal to the underground hipsters into D-list bands who never made it and criticized them, they got an Encyclopedia Dramatica page mocking them for woke lyrics which in turn made them do a total 180 on Shogun and Matt Heafy had a rising sun flag guitar which is a hate symbol. Halo 2 had Steve Vai and that is very reflective of the difference in aesthetics between old era Bungie and Marathon going for postmodern hipsterdom which trickled down from the Davos class. A7X and Trivium are both mainstream examples of millennial bands that were once the definition of cool trying hard to be uncool on purpose but more extreme examples do exist such as "Chat pile." Some of them even push an ambiguously brown woman playing a dissonant bassline with a jewish lesbian next to her as the new cool hip thing. They hate you for being white and male and it is not just video games that are under attack.

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For whatever reason you now see metalheads also supporting this aesthetic derived from deliberately ugly postmodern streetwear, a lot of millennials and scenesters from later Gen Z are into it and often act like they are better than you for liking objectively ugly or sordid art styles. The Marathon aesthetic is for people who look like this who are irony dregs as Shreddednerd called them. Nothing is sincere or concrete to them as their whole identity and source of social capital is based around how they are perceived socially and by creating an abstraction layer of ironic detachment they can shield themselves from criticism such as in its deliberately ugly so they save themselves the pains of being socially criticized by others who look like them.
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The opposite of the aforementioned irony dreg exists now and some people realize that a lot of the trends of the 2000s straight white male culture was actually really cool. The subconscious cultural reaction to these types has caused brands like threatllama to exist and become profitable making Halo or Mass Effect type merchandise for the guys like me who feel deeply scorned after having our place taken from us all those years ago. I have literally made friends for life I am still in contact with off of Halo Reach back on the Xbox 360.
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Everything Bunghole is doing with Marathon is a way to repent for their sins of appealing to the straight white male dudebro crowd of the 2000s. If they made Marathon a straight white male game they would easily make profit back but modern day Bunghole has a philosophy of self hatred and aesthetic denial and will implode as a result of their hubris.
 
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