Disaster "Mass casualty incident" declared after Key Bridge in Baltimore collapses

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No article yet as this just happened, but could be big. One of the largest bridges in the world according to Wikipedia.


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Decent aerial view of the Dali & center span:
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Are there any photo's showing the anchor chains out yet?

I'm no master seamen but i think they should have dropped anchor at the 1st outage if they knew the power system was unstable.

LMAO if you think any insurance company is going to pay for a new bridge. The cost of replacing that bridge would totally bankrupt most insurance companies. Never mind a few mil on top of it.
Ya what ever shell company actually owns the ship is going to just fold up. The insurance company pill pay a few million up to the max amount on the policy. And the tax payers will be on the hook for the billions its going to cost to undo this mess.
 
You guys know that like poorly maintained boats registered in random shit holes by dog shit companies who hire whoever is cheapest have failed long before dei shits existed right. Like companies and maintenance can fuck up without a woman or other minority being involved right?

Like I know it's a crazy concept but really, it's physically possible.
I’m curious to watch the shell game of who even truly owns this ship play out. The companies that own these ships are shady fronts and shell companies and they are very opaque on purpose.
 
You guys know that like poorly maintained boats registered in random shit holes by dog shit companies who hire whoever is cheapest have failed long before dei shits existed right. Like companies and maintenance can fuck up without a woman or other minority being involved right?

Like I know it's a crazy concept but really, it's physically possible.
The DEI shit to me is more the Baltimore city and bridge stuff. Infrastructure decay and lack of modernization is what people are more talking about.

I’m waiting for dockworkers and welders to start coming out of the wood work to list their grievances with the city.
 
Tinfoil hat shit aside, what one component can kill the power to an entire ship?
Sometimes, all it takes to bring down the plant on a ship and send 'er adrift is one single loose wire setting off a cascading failure. I have firsthand experience.

One time, we lost propulsion because a 24v supply wire hidden in a control cubicle had a terminal that had vibrated loose. Since all the relays and controls in that row were wired in series, this caused the rest downstream of it to lose power, too. This, in turn, caused that generator to become completely uncontrollable. As in, the controls at the EOS could neither shut it down nor open the breaker to it. Even the E-stop mushroom button at the engine's control panel wasn't working.

Because it was no longer operating at the correct RPM due to the electronic governor losing power (this caused it to revert to a mechanical governor on the engine itself), the output frequency on the generator was incorrect, which caused it to trip the other generators offline on reverse power trips. Since it was a diesel-electric vessel, which now had one generator online which was malfunctioning and wasn't even recognized by the drive motor controllers as being online and closed to the bus, the pilothouse lost their handles and we started drifting in a circle.

Our ship had four mains feeding into a single 4160V electrical bus, with three normally online and one as a backup. The engines were 16-cylinder EMDs turning AC alternators, and they were controlled using Siemens SIMATIC S5/SIMADYN D PLCs, a bit older and more obsolete than the SIMATIC S7s involved in the Stuxnet incident with Iran's nuclear centrifuges at Natanz.

The Chief Engineer on watch had a great deal of familiarity with the vessel class, and he did two things pretty much immediately:
  1. Ran out into the panel room and started yanking on wires in the control cubicle until he saw one spark, pretty much identifying the fault immediately.
  2. Opened the bus tie breaker in the middle of the bus to isolate the malfunctioning main engine to one end of the vessel (it's a double-ended RORO and everything is double-redundant, basically a ship mirrored at both ends).
We regained propulsion pretty quickly, but by then, the tugs had already pulled alongside and were hooking up. We didn't ram into anything and no one was hurt, luckily.

Time taken to identify the problem and regain propulsion? About three to five minutes, and that was with an experienced chief who knew the plant inside and out. Now, imagine that you're two minutes away from an allision or collision, on a giant container ship where all the major equipment is spread over an area the size of a football field, and there are alarms going off and pajeets running around in circles flailing and cursing and shitting everywhere. It literally doesn't matter what you do. You're fucked.
 
The DEI shit to me is more the Baltimore city and bridge stuff. Infrastructure decay and lack of modernization is what people are more talking about.

I’m waiting for dockworkers and welders to start coming out of the wood work to list their grievances with the city.
That shit has also predated the DEI shit people have been talking about the Sunshine Skyway bridge collapse that was basically the same shit and it happened in the 80's. There are few bridges in the US if not the world that are giant ship proof. It's not some race or incompetency thing it's just hard to justify the cost. I don't know exactly how much the ship defenses on the new Sunshine Skyway bridge was but just by looking at it I'm assuming it was substantial.

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And good luck trying to convince anyone to pay for it.

It's not really going to happen either way unless the state mandates it and even then it'd probably only apply to new construction since I don't see how you'd get these massive modifications done on a bridge that considering it's remaining lifetime is probably worth less than the defenses. Some officials probably will just stretch out the life of older bridges to avoid the more expensive replacement costs, and the only people who would benefit, the commuters would be more pissed that they have to pay 5$ more a month in taxes for a new bridge.
 
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Doubtful. Shipping insurance is big numbers.
I said most insurance companies, but this could possibly be the most costly ship accident of the modern era. The cost of a new bridge will be absolutely bonkers in 2024, but they also have to deal with clean up, removal and then all the claims from other ships in ports losing money and cargo thank to negligence closing the entire port. Nevermind covering the cost of the $150 million cargo ship that just got blitzed
The estimate is in 1977 dollars and costs.

A new cargo ship costs more than $141 million dollars today. The “suicide prevention nets” on the Golden Gate Bridge done a few years ago cost $224 million

If they can replace that bridge for under a billion I’ll be surprised.
 
Somebody will have to hang for this. At a minimum 7 people are dead from the pothole repair crew since only 1 of the 8 on that job was rescued alive. But that's just the start. Authorities are being mum on how many vehicles were on the span when it collapsed. Or how many people were IN those vehicles. Since right now they have no way of knowing.

Considering the outside air temperature at the time of the incident was 32 degrees Freedom Units, 0 degrees Commie and the water temperature not much better, the odds of anyone surviving in the river more then 15 minutes without survival gear is negligible.

And that does not even start for how much this is going to cost the State of Maryland and the USA itself. The bridge itself was built at over 700 Million 1970s Dollars. It is also a critical component of a major east coast port and the one closest to the US Great Lakes and Midwest that Ocean Going container vessels can enter.

The cost is absolutely astronomical. Just replacing it will be in the tens of billions. Then there is the opportunity costs. in lost business opportunity , transportation costs, lost tolls.

These Pajeets have caused hundreds of billions of dollars in damages. If you factor in everything from the amount of Gas trucks must now take to orbit Baltimore to reach the port, down to the local businesses that are now ruined after losing half their customers due to the journey to their store going from 15 minutes to a fucking hour, these Pajeets may have done almost 1 trillion dollars in damage.

Fereal, fereal, no cap
Indeed.

The domino effect is so off the scale, it is ridiculous. The insurance company should probably just file tonight for protection. 100's of billions. This will become a case study in the future. Some are downplaying the severity of this insofar as stating only the costs associated with just the bridge, but the spiraling losses will affect 1000s of businesses across the United States.

We've been so worried about planes, now we need to worry about our bridges being hit with a hijacked container ship. Just think of the potential targets now on the East and West Coast that could cripple the cities they belong to.

Homeland security just got a scenario played out they probably hadn't counted on. And it is quite real.
 
Doubtful. Shipping insurance is big numbers.
Synergy has an insurance division. It isn't out of the realm of possibility that MV Dali was effectively self-insured. It notably isn't on Lloyd's registry or others I could readily search. Dodging liability is an art form for these operators. Even odds that they disappear into the ether before they pay a cent.
I read earlier in thread (so take it with salt) that a later inspection showed no such things, from which I deduce that it was propably done in the third world with a hefty bribe.

Also Pajeets think cow dung can fix anything. No doubt they smeared it over the engine, and the machine spirit went mati.
Saltwater loathes iron/steel. The only thing it loathes more is electrical systems. It loathes those things in combination the most. A well-run ship is going to be constantly doing maintenance to the point that findings like this aren't caught out by official inspections. It should be identified and remedied before that can happen. If you're using a third-party for insurance official findings like that make heads roll, repeated findings mean the ship is uninsurable and too expensive to operate. If your operator and insurer are the same people, it's way more likely there's some fuckery.
 
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