May 3, 2022 - Chris returned to CVRJ

[Miss Misery]

Wait WHAT? Why is he taking Chris' case then? Chris doesn't have the money to pay a lawyer, and while lawyers sometimes take on cases pro bono if it's for a good cause and/or they can get good publicity out of it, but this case is pretty much the furthest thing from either of those possible

Since they don't have PDs in Chris's area, Heilberg was appointed by the court to represent Chris: https://dailyprogress.com/community...cle_eaa0710c-f492-11eb-bba8-7f35686d288a.html

 

[A Grey Cat]

I think even one year after July 31st 2021, Chris is going to stay in jail.

The Law System has finally gotten a hold of him. They’ve seen his dimensional merge powers first hand.

That month of radio silence? I believe they sent Chris to Montauk, near Long Island, New York.

They should have sent him to the Kirby institute on Randals island new york. Don't let the name fool you, it's a shady facility that's only slightly above being sent to rikers.


Give me hats for saying it but it pisses me off knowing unless they determine Chris to be worth the hassle of prosecuting as a felony case. Then the junior family court he's currently in will just give him time served therapy, no contact with barb and maybe even a stay in a halfway home all while helping him live as a social parasite off the taxpayer's dime yet again.

 

[A-№1]

Even Barb thought throwing all her savings at at the problem would make it magically go away? Sunds like CWC-level stupidity.

Throwing all their money at Rob Bell was all Barb's idea. Chris just fucked around playing with his toys while assuming everything would work out for him.

Bob was the only thing keeping the Chandler finances together. The Financhu Crisis began the moment he died. Barb is extremely irresponsible with money, and Chris is his mother's son.

but it would be the cleanest way to get him out of their hair.

I don't think it would, actually. Greene County is a very small jurisdiction. Likely it would be the same people dealing with the case in criminal court as are handling it in J&DR, only operating under a different set of rules and procedures.

Oh, believe me, given the shit that the courts deal with (and I'm including both J&DR and the civil & criminal courts in this) in that part of the world on a regular basis, Chris is going to be relatively low on the totem pole of offenders as far as they're concerned.

Chris' offense is a minor one (especially the way they're treating it), but Chris himself (and the circus of weenery he brings with him) is a major pain in the ass for what should have been a cut-and-dry plea deal.

He's a repugnant pile of shit, to be sure, but still not receiving as much attention as repeat offenders, violent criminals

I've often said I doubt they give Chris more than five minutes thought in any given week. The problem is more about the attention they receive for this case. That's likely one of the reasons they are keeping it off the public record in J&DR, and probably why Heilberg is running the defense.

if it gets bumped up to a felony, the sentence can range from one to ten years.

If they haven't wobbled it back up to a felony by now, they're not going to. Everything the court has done so far seems to have been trying to keep this case as quiet and simple as possible outside the public eye. Except nothing is ever easy or simple with Chris.

Also wobbling it back up to a felony after letting Chris go through time-served under a misdemeanor charge is a very bad look. They don't want to deal with Chris at trial. Nobody wants to deal with an appeal.

That's not to say that a misdemeanor sentence couldn't carry conditions of release, but, as you point out, that the maximum jail term would be one year.

The conditions of release are the only thing that's ever mattered here from the start. The goal of the trial has been to keep Chris from re-offending. Nobody ever cared how much time he spends in jail to accomplish that.

Credit for time served, transfer to a care facility, and supervised release to include therapy and instruction in basic life skills would probably cover 90% of whatever ends up being handed down.

Convincing Chris to agree to that plea deal instead of mumbling about cartoon ponies has been the problem.

If he was sent where I think he was, he wouldn't be able to leave without both an entrance and exit evaluation. IIRC, it's required for anyone who is coming in as a patient from a jail facility, and I believe that the J&DR court also receives a copy of the evaluation(s).

Evaluations happened, but more for the facility covering its own ass than to help Chris. He wasn't really there for evaluation. He was there to be trained to cooperate with the court sufficient for the court to get on with things. Note how much more sober Chris looks in his before and after mugshots.

What form that therapy will take isn't clear at this point, but it is probably safe to assume that it will be at least some form of supervised release coupled with therapy and a no-go-near-Borb order.

They will order therapy, but they won't bother to enforce it. I can all but guarantee the court's main goal is to place Chris in a managed care tard home way the hell away from Greene County.

The hospital stay was almost certainly mandated by the court. Bear in mind that J&DR has no jury trials and each case is ruled on by a judge; it's likely that the judge wanted observation and evaluation of Chris before continuing.

It absolutely was mandated by the court. Heilberg already had an evaluation of Chris made during the first continuance, and the prosecution likely had their own as well. Chris did not need further "evaluation". Chris, being Chris, was probably very uncooperative in court, so the court bundled him off to the hospital to make him "competent" to stand trial.

As far as the courts are concerned, he's small potatoes.

Chris, himself, is small potatoes, but the cloud of asshattery that surrounds him is a huge pain in the ass. Remember all the jackassery at his arrest? The court remembers.

Heilberg was appointed by the court to represent Chris

I'm pretty sure they requested Heilberg before appointing him. I suspect the conversation from the judge went something like this:

"Hey Dave, hows it going? Listen, we've got this nutjob down at regional we're hoping you can help with. It's a basic incest and elder abuse case, welcome to Greene County sort of thing, but for some reason the internet is all over it, and now the national media are jumping in. You know how to deal with those assholes at CNN and Fox better than anyone, so can you do us a favor and take on this case? You can? Thanks Dave. I really owe you one. I hope it won't be too much of a hassle. It should be plead out and over with by September."

 

[ToroidalBoat]

How much of whatever interaction Chris has with anyone else (like jail staff or lawyer) has "merge" and "goddess" delusion BS in it?

All of it?

 

[Miss Misery]

@A-№1:

I'm pretty sure they requested Heilberg before appointing him. I suspect the conversation from the judge went something like this:

"Hey Dave, hows it going? Listen, we've got this nutjob down at regional we're hoping you can help with. It's a basic incest and elder abuse case, welcome to Greene County sort of thing, but for some reason the internet is all over it, and now the national media are jumping in. You know how to deal with those assholes at CNN and Fox better than anyone, so can you do us a favor and take on this case? You can? Thanks Dave. I really owe you one. I hope it won't be too much of a hassle. It should be plead out and over with by September."

Seems that's the most likely scenario.

Question though... once the court appoints an attorney to represent someone in lieu of a public defender is that attorney now obligated to stay on that case until it's closed?

 

[A-№1]

I don't know why the site keeps preventing me from editing posts to add new replies, but whatever.

They should have sent him to the Kirby institute on Randals island new york. Don't let the name fool you, it's a shady facility that's only slightly above being sent to rikers.

Plum Island would be more appropriate.

Give me hats for saying it but it pisses me off knowing unless they determine Chris to be worth the hassle of prosecuting as a felony case. Then the junior family court he's currently in will just give him time served therapy, no contact with barb and maybe even a stay in a halfway home all while helping him live as a social parasite off the taxpayer's dime yet again.

Worry not. No matter how sweetheart a deal Chris gets from the court, he won't appreciate it and will fuck it up in short order.

once the court appoints an attorney to represent someone in lieu of a public defender is that attorney now obligated to stay on that case until it's closed?

I don't think even public defenders are 100% obligated to stay on a case, but it's considered Very Bad Form for even paid attorneys to drop a client without some extremely compelling reason (such as their client making death threats against them).

That said, I doubt Heilberg is really spending all that much time on Chris. Certainly not any more than he has to once he learned Chris is just some asshole nutjob and not a victim of transphobia as he probably initially thought.

 

[AnOminous]

It doesn't appear that jail did the trick, which is probably why they tried chucking him in the hospital. I'm not certain if that worked, either, or if the hospital tossed him back to jail because they are also tired of dealing with him.

I'm going to assume they came pretty close to the actual facts, that is, that Chris is a fuckup and a moron, but not incompetent to stand trial by the lax standards we have.

That said, I doubt Heilberg is really spending all that much time on Chris. Certainly not any more than he has to once he learned Chris is just some asshole nutjob and not a victim of transphobia as he probably initially thought.

I get the impression he actually takes his pro bono work seriously and would do the same for Chris as he would if Chris weren't a complete scumbag.

 

[DeeCeeBees]

I know, right? What the actual? That is the big mystery. If you scroll up in the forums you'll find endless debate on this very matter.

We know why Rob Bell took Chris and Barb's case for the Game Place incident: the Chandlers threw a shittonne of money at him, and it was easier to take it than get them to fuck off.

We know why the public defender took his case for the GameStop incident: he was a public defender, and Chris and Barb had already blown Bob's legacy on Rob Bell. Note that expensive Rob Bell basically accomplished the same as the free public defender: plead them out.

But nobody knows why Heilberg stepped in this time around. Maybe not even Heilberg himself. There is all sorts of speculation why a heavy hitter like Heilberg took on Chris' case, but little by way of known facts. I'll be interested to hear your hypothesis on it.

My own best guess is the court requested Heilberg take the case (pro bono or at standard rates) due to his experience with media circus trials. Heilberg agreed (for whatever reason), not knowing the insanity he was stepping into.

I've considered writing him to ask why he took this case, but that will probably have to wait until the case is long over and all the weenery he's doubtless receiving has died down.




I may be wrong, but I don't think the J&DR courts in Virginia have jury trials.

I hope you are right. I would hate to be sitting in that jury box when they wheel out the 55 inch TV and some prosecutor says “If you look to the screen at Exhibit D you will see multiple abrasions to Mrs. Chandler’s vagina…”

 

[A-№1]

but not incompetent to stand trial by the lax standards we have.

But he still has to say things like, "Yes, your honor," when asked things like, "Do you understand the charges laid against you?"

"Mumble, mumble, sonichu, mumble," doesn't cut it, even for our lax standards.

I get the impression he actually takes his pro bono work seriously and would do the same for Chris as he would if Chris weren't a complete scumbag.

Absolutely. But I also think he eventually learned Null's lesson: You can't save Chris from Chris. You can only waste your own time on him, or worse.

I hope you are right.

Unless Virginia's J&DR courts are VERY strange, there won't be a jury. One of the purposes of J&DR courts is to keep a family's dirty laundry private (especially when minors are involved), not spread it out for a panel of twelve to pick through.

 

[AnOminous]

I may be wrong, but I don't think the J&DR courts in Virginia have jury trials.

They don't. They're not a court of record and they don't do juries. I believe the federal rule is any sentence longer than six months triggers the right to a jury trial, so I assume there is some procedure for kicking it out of J&DR and insisting on an actual trial for that sentence. There are possibly other triggering circumstances elevating an offense out of the "petty" category and justifying a demand for a jury trial.

I just don't see much advantage for Chris in actually doing such a thing, though. This is probably better handled by (relatively) impartial professionals who have seen some shit already, not a jury of his peers who will be repulsed by his disgusting behavior.

Chris really doesn't factor all that much into the day-to-day fabric of life around Ruckersville, Charlottesville, Staunton, or Harrisonburg. We pay way more attention to him than anyone else there does. As far as the courts are concerned, he's small potatoes.

What Saddam did in the Gulf Wars was potatoes compared to what Chris has done.

But he still has to say things like, "Yes, your honor," when asked things like, "Do you understand the charges laid against you?"

"Mumble, mumble, sonichu, mumble," doesn't cut it, even for our lax standards.

If they have actual forensic evidence he's just malingering, they can take him to trial anyway. Brian David Mitchell eventually went to trial even though he never gave up on his bullshit loony toons act.

 

[hambeerlyingnreed]

Chris just doesn't adhere to other people's advice. Chris wants to march to the beat of his own drum, but without the consequences.

Problem is, until now he hasnt really recieved any consequences.

As a Teen in school and college when he creeped on girls, he got off lightly because Autism (even though 99% of people with autism dont do shit like that)

When he was a kid and the school wanted him to go to a non Mainstream school to learn Life Skills - some of these Programms teach kids stuff like emotions and interacting with others but also personal hygiene skills if necessary (Powerlevel? I volunteered in a class like this in a regular school and they had a Star Program to motivate them. One kid was learning how to brush his teeth and wash his face. The kid I was helping out was learning how to read a clock, which I in 6th Grade at the time had learned just a year or two earlier) Chris' parents said hell no and even moved house to keep him mainstreamed with minimal help at best. But the school knew he was "Special" so they treated him with Kid Gloves, since there wasnt much more they could do with the little resources they had.

When he did stuff in stores, he was ignored. At worst they kicked him out, but that was for assaulting an employee with Mace. Years of him creeping on Boyfriend Free Female customers didnt get him kicked out.

Now? Hes sitting in a cell alone. Most help he got was in the loony bin for 8 weeks. Longest time out hes ever gotten. Makes up for all the times he didnt get one before.

Will this be enough to change His behaviour? When he gets out, will He stick to just sitting at a screen and watching cartoons? Can he learn to interact with people, or will he spam chat in Pokemon Play rooms (does that even exist?) or whatever with "F4F D2F"?

 

[A-№1]

They don't. They're not a court of record and they don't do juries.

That's what I figured, but I can't be bothered to look it up to be certain.

Courts in other states can be weird. You never know what the Good People of Virginia might have voted into law.

I assume there is some procedure for kicking it out of J&DR and insisting on an actual trial for that sentence.

And after all the effort and concessions the court has made to keep things in J&DR, they wouldn't like that one bit, nosiree.

I just don't see much advantage for Chris in actually doing such a thing, though.

He's never let that stop him before…

Chris has a knack for making things worse for himself.

If they have actual forensic evidence he's just malingering, they can take him to trial anyway.

Getting that evidence was likely one of the reasons he was hospitalized,

Brian David Mitchell eventually went to trial even though he never gave up on his bullshit loony toons act.

Brian David Mitchell made the mistake of only chimping out in court. He behaved rationally when he thought nobody important was looking.

Meanwhile Chris is Chris 24/7/365. That's not to say he's legally incompetent, just 100% truly awful.

 

[SigueSigueSpergnik]

Greene County is a very small jurisdiction. Likely it would be the same people dealing with the case in criminal court as are handling it in J&DR, only operating under a different set of rules and procedures.

Greene County is absolutely dinky, and, having been in the courthouse there on more than one occasion, I will 100% agree with that assessment. Having said that, the case is currently being heard in Albemarle Couty since Greene doesn't really have the facilities to deal with much more than traffic tickets and meth offenses. This is important because it means that Greene County isn't prosecuting: Albemarle is. Charlottesville is effectively the venue at this point, not Stanardsville, and Charlottesville is an entirely other ball of wax when it comes to their court operations.

What all of this means is that (with the exception of administrative personnel), it's very unlikely that a J&DR case would wind up in front of the same judge presiding over a criminal case. J&DR judges are generally selected for their background and experience with family law, which a judge who mainly hears criminal and/or civil cases may not necessarily have. Now, if the venue was Stanardsville I could absolutely see J&DR being presided over by the same judge dealing with tweakers on a daily basis... But not in Charlottesville.

I've often said I doubt they give Chris more than five minutes thought in any given week. The problem is more about the attention they receive for this case. That's likely one of the reasons they are keeping it off the public record in J&DR, and probably why Heilberg is running the defense.

Possibly, but it's also likely that the Albemarle County DA kicked the case over to J&DR after reading it and decided to let them figure out if it belonged in criminal court or not. At least that way the DA can't be accused of being overly-harsh on OPL by sending it straight to criminal court right out of the gate: after all, with a recommendation from a family court judge attached that says Chris is a sick fuck and belongs in real-world court with real-world penalties on the table, an expert has spoken on the subject.

If they haven't wobbled it back up to a felony by now, they're not going to. Everything the court has done so far seems to have been trying to keep this case as quiet and simple as possible outside the public eye. Except nothing is ever easy or simple with Chris.

Agreed; the likelihood of this going any further than J&DR at this point is virtually zero. It's going to be interesting to see what happens after the next continuance - tacking on another one will almost certainly get him past the one-year mark, which would make it a lot more convenient for everyone involved in J&DR to wash their hands of the matter.

Also wobbling it back up to a felony after letting Chris go through time-served under a misdemeanor charge is a very bad look. They don't want to deal with Chris at trial. Nobody wants to deal with an appeal.

Maybe, at least as regards bumping it up to a felony. If played off as, "this person is a sexual predator and needs to be put down," it could possibly work. As for Chris at trial, well, having defendants in the courtroom who are their own worst enemy is an occupational hazard of being in the legal profession. He has been to court before, so unless he's been judged incompetent (highly unlikely), they'll bring him in. Agreed on not wanting an appeal, however.

I really do think it's unlikely that this will go to trial, however. There's nothing for anyone to gain by doing so.

Evaluations happened, but more for the facility covering its own ass than to help Chris. He wasn't really there for evaluation.

This I have to actually disagree with. More:

He was there to be trained to cooperate with the court sufficient for the court to get on with things. Note how much more sober Chris looks in his before and after mugshots.

The facility has nothing to gain or lose by Chris' level of cooperation with the court. Their job is to receive him, evaluate his immediate condition, hold him for observation, then re-evaluate him (possibly more than once) before separating him from the facility and sending him back to CVRJ. Provided that they follow medical best practices, State guidelines, and any orders from the court, they've done their CYA. Basically, they're just doing what they're required to do, and do many times in an average week for multiple patients.

As for training him to cooperate with the court, that's difficult to say. Personally, I doubt it solely because the manpower and resources aren't there to give him that kind of à la carte attention - remember, we are talking about him likely having been sent to a State-funded facility. However, it's entirely likely that he did receive at least some instruction in how to behave like a normal person, but that's likely to have been delivered in the same general life skills sense as he's familiar with from his schooling, past therapists, etc.

Chris, himself, is small potatoes, but the cloud of asshattery that surrounds him is a huge pain in the ass. Remember all the jackassery at his arrest? The court remembers.

Absolutely. But also look at the media shitstorms Charlottesville has had to deal with: the UVA shootings, Unite the Right rally, and being the birthplace of the Dave Matthews Band. The city is capable of handling itself in that regard, but Chris is so far down the pecking order in terms of potential bad press that he practically doesn't figure. It would take the Troon Army descending upon Charlottesville to come to the aid and defense of their stunning and brave trooncow to get them to care more about him than they do now.

 

[Manticucc]

I guess they managed to unfuck him enough to stand trial, but what happens if he refucks himself again before July?

I dont think it really matters.

The trial is just going to be a formality at this point.

His lawyer will probably have him plead guilty-- at which point he will be sentenced to time serverd and released.

Then the homeless saga begins.

 

[Dr. Silvestrechu]

Since they don't have PDs in Chris's area, Heilberg was appointed by the court to represent Chris: https://dailyprogress.com/community...cle_eaa0710c-f492-11eb-bba8-7f35686d288a.html

Lmao Chris has that tard luck.

 

[Ophelia]

How much of whatever interaction Chris has with anyone else (like jail staff or lawyer) has "merge" and "goddess" delusion BS in it?

I’d put my money on sullen pouty silence, but it would be seasoned with “ponies” and “Sonichu.”

The trial is just going to be a formality at this point.

Hearing.

 

[Manticucc]

I’d put my money on sullen pouty silence, but it would be seasoned with “ponies” and “Sonichu.”


Hearing.

What did I miss?

What type of hearing is it?

 

[Hogar Grupal]

Will this be enough to change His behaviour? When he gets out, will He stick to just sitting at a screen and watching cartoons? Can he learn to interact with people, or will he spam chat in Pokemon Play rooms (does that even exist?) or whatever with "F4F D2F"?

Given Chris' history, probably not. If his act at that Indian restaurant from the GFM video is any indication, one can't really trust Chris to interact normally. This is the same man who wore a "Want Woman" sports bra in public. If the purpose for Chris to act normal, the best chance is the judge, who can act as a parent (in terms of handing out punishment for bad behavior) would say to Chris in these terms: "no internet until you act in accordance with these laws." Ideally, it would be best to monitor/restrict Chris' access to the net. More than likely Chris will have his net access monitored in the tard home (if they'll allow him).

It's best if they put Chris in front of a screen all day just watching cartoons. It's not like he does anything active.

 

[Ophelia]

What did I miss?

What type of hearing is it?

The odds of Chris going to trial are slim to none. He’ll have a hearing before a judge.

 

[Manticucc]

The odds of Chris going to trial are slim to none. He’ll have a hearing before a judge.

What type of hearing?

Trial doesnt necesarily mean a jury is involved...

Sentencing is part of a trial too...