MCU Television and Animation Series on Disney + - WandaVision, FATWS, Loki, etc

I'm not bothered at all that the TVA uses Infinity Stones as paperweights. The TVA is outside of time and magic doesn't work there, it makes sense that the Infinity Stones would be meaningless there, they're just pretty rocks to them. I like how Loki finding that out gave him that character development he wouldn't have gotten otherwise, along with him learning about future events. The music stuck out to me too and I really liked it. And I'm going to guess either old Loki or Lady Loki, it's hard to tell since they did a good job hiding identifying features.

I think it was a strong first episode and I'm hoping it doesn't become a disappointment like WandaVision and TFAWS, especially since a second season is already approved and the trailers didn't show much outside of the first episode.
 
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RumblyTumbly said:
I'm officially tapping out on the MCU.

Its gotten to a point where there is too much material for me to keep up with, and after the grand ending with Endgame, its just hard for me to get invested in anything after.

And WandaVision was a chance to do something different, but they instead went back to their same old stand bys from before, and it makes me think they will always just adhere to that formula forever.
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UnKillShredDur said:
I respect your optimism...
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At the very least the main recurring thing I've seen (literally articles from across 3 years) is that its going to be a lot different (in a good way) from the typical marvel formula in that it is mainly a family focused drama with bits of humor yet also an engaging spy thriller that files in everything we needed about Natasha's backstory.

An article i read said the family element came from a combo of The Kids Are All Right + The Savages + Little Miss Sunshine apparently.

And maybe finally we will get some kind of former lovers-turned-enemies that beat the shit out of each other-type that the other films lack. I feel like it would be too easy to make OT the Taskmaster but I'm still going with my gut that he's the dragon to the real villains, Ivan and Melina. This would mean her lover, father, and adoptive mother are trying to murder her. Could be interesting but again this is speculation on my part
 
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Just saw Loki
I liked it
I don't think capeshit has had me this happy in a while, It's very clear to me that this is a sort of multiverse timeline doctor who deal. I for one and very into it. One of my main dislikes of winter soldier and falcon was that both of them never really filled the screen, but Tom Hiddleston really captures your attention. The time police look rather silly honestly they look no different than Rich Evans suit from space cop or any other 90's film.

as for plot holes
The only thing I thought was odd was that the time police have so many infinity stones, yet there police are killed by fire from a lantern at the end. If you had even the power of one of those stones surely you'd be able to make a police force with some more power?
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starborn427614 said:
I can see the logic behind it. They take the L and let the Avengers fix the issue with Thanos wiping out half the cosmos. In a way it's another form of avoiding a lot of paperwork.
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Its more so that they want to have a stand alone show. Its not deep or planned it's just more to explain away a contradiction.
 
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At the very least the main recurring thing I've seen (literally articles from across 3 years) is that its going to be a lot different (in a good way) from the typical marvel formula in that it is mainly a family focused drama with bits of humor yet also an engaging spy thriller that files in everything we needed about Natasha's backstory.
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I'm looking forward to Black Widow too but they say this about every Marvel movie.
 
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starborn427614 said:
I can see the logic behind it. They take the L and let the Avengers fix the issue with Thanos wiping out half the cosmos. In a way it's another form of avoiding a lot of paperwork.
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Well at this point we don't know if they'd even see that as being a issue or not. We haven't really been given any sort of indication of there being an end goal or some objective beyond ensuring that there is only one time line, and Thanos killing half the universe does nothing to that core goal of there's (i.e. Thanos didn't alter any timelines... wait he did bring Vision back to life.... hmmm). Now if it turns out that that the TVA and more specifically the time dragons have some end goal in mind, that they've been manipulating events to reached some desirably outcome then sure that makes sense because then that shifts their goal from maintaining time (and thus not allowing people to mess with it) to ensuring that a set series of events occurs as predetermined to achieve some outcome.

Well it's only been 1 episodes so plenty of time for them to explain it. Or maybe they won't...
 
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Had said:
Its more so that they want to have a stand alone show. Its not deep or planned it's just more to explain away a contradiction.
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And? What does it matter if they choose to hand wave Endgame, the Avengers tried their best not to interfere in the past and returned the Stones to their proper places. It makes sense in universe, sorry it left you wanting, but at this point we all know how the MCU works.
I (Don't) Have A Gun said:
Well at this point we don't know if they'd even see that as being a issue or not. We haven't really been given any sort of indication of there being an end goal or some objective beyond ensuring that there is only one time line, and Thanos killing half the universe does nothing to that core goal of there's (i.e. Thanos didn't alter any timelines... wait he did bring Vision back to life.... hmmm). Now if it turns out that that the TVA and more specifically the time dragons have some end goal in mind, that they've been manipulating events to reached some desirably outcome then sure that makes sense because then that shifts their goal from maintaining time (and thus not allowing people to mess with it) to ensuring that a set series of events occurs as predetermined to achieve some outcome.

Well it's only been 1 episodes so plenty of time for them to explain it. Or maybe they won't...
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I thought their goal was to avoid another multiversal war?
X Pac Heat said:
Yeah, didn't they say this about Dr. Strange how it was going to be soooooo different?

Same for GotG?
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Guardians was different though, it had a different feel than other MCU movies at the time, until Ragnarok came out. The only thing different with Dr. Strange was some trippy visuals, otherwise it did follow the typical plot progression (I'm hoping Sam Raimi was given the freedom to make Dr. Strange 2 how he wants).
 
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X Pac Heat said:
Yeah, didn't they say this about Dr. Strange how it was going to be soooooo different?

Same for GotG?
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They were different tho lol. These films all stick to the same formulaic crap but Dr Strange was a trippy film and GOTG was a balls to the wall comedy that kind of gave the feels (particularly at the end).

This film is not only the tribute Nat deserves but has the potential to be a great female fronted action flick (something Captain Marvel failed to do). They're bringing in the element of female victimization but in a good way (specifically this goes back to the actual comic origins in the women being kidnapped, brainwashed, and trained as kids)

Now that I think about it CM failed in a lot of different ways.
 
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cactus said:
I thought their goal was to avoid another multiversal war?
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That's what we've been told so far, they only want there to be 1 timeline because multiple timelines lead to war between the timelines.
But they also keep bringing up that there is a pre-planned series of events, pre-determined and dictated by the space lizards. The entire premise of the show is basically this. Loki was not suppose to pick up the tesseract because the space lizards did not dictate that it should happen, and by doing so a new timeline was created so Loki gets arrested by the time cops to be reset (a process they haven't exactly explained).
So it's just conjecture on my part. If the space lizard have said event A, B, C should occur but event X, Y, Z should not then there might be a reason behind it? If not, then the Thanos snap wouldn't be a problem because the Thanos span does not create multiple timelines, what would be a problem is the Avengers going back in time, so if the goal of the time cops was to only ensure a single timeline they should have arrested the Avengers in End Game, and sent them off to be processed by the ludicrously bureaucratic time cops. But they didn't because the Avengers time traveling was part of the plan (explicitly said in the episode) but Loki picking up a glowing box was not. Besides there is now two timelines at the end of End Game, at least, the original timeline where Captain America get's frozen and Peggy gets to die old and alone, and the new timeline where Cap goes back in time and secretly lives with Peggy and doesn't warn people about every single major disaster over the last 60 years (Hiroshima, Rwandan genocide, 9/11 etc.).
 
I (Don't) Have A Gun said:
That's what we've been told so far, they only want there to be 1 timeline because multiple timelines lead to war between the timelines.
But they also keep bringing up that there is a pre-planned series of events, pre-determined and dictated by the space lizards. The entire premise of the show is basically this. Loki was not suppose to pick up the tesseract because the space lizards did not dictate that it should happen, and by doing so a new timeline was created so Loki gets arrested by the time cops to be reset (a process they haven't exactly explained).
So it's just conjecture on my part. If the space lizard have said event A, B, C should occur but event X, Y, Z should not then there might be a reason behind it? If not, then the Thanos snap wouldn't be a problem because the Thanos span does not create multiple timelines, what would be a problem is the Avengers going back in time, so if the goal of the time cops was to only ensure a single timeline they should have arrested the Avengers in End Game, and sent them off to be processed by the ludicrously bureaucratic time cops. But they didn't because the Avengers time traveling was part of the plan (explicitly said in the episode) but Loki picking up a glowing box was not. Besides there is now two timelines at the end of End Game, at least, the original timeline where Captain America get's frozen and Peggy gets to die old and alone, and the new timeline where Cap goes back in time and secretly lives with Peggy and doesn't warn people about every single major disaster over the last 60 years (Hiroshima, Rwandan genocide, 9/11 etc.).
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There's also a timeline where Thanos and his army just vanish in 2014 and never come back.
 
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I haven't watch the first episode yet. Is it true that Loki is gender fluid or is it just SJWs being retarded?
 
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