MCU Television and Animation Series on Disney + - WandaVision, FATWS, Loki, etc

[Calandrino]

• Hawkeye - can't use bow in suit.

Dude...

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Dude...

I'm all for Hawkeye shooting arrows without suit.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Unpopular opinion: Sam deserved Cap's shield more than Bucky in Endgame. Marvel and Disney's reasoning to give Sam the shield was obviously for woke points, but from a narrative perspective, I do actually think that Sam deserved it more.

Sam was with Cap every single step of the way in Winter Soldier, Civil War, and Infinity War, while Bucky was a threat/terrorist due to brainwashing and torture. Sam, to me, definitely feels more like Cap's protégé than Bucky does at this point. The Winter Soldier became a household name as a terrorist as well ... Probably wouldn't play well with that guy as the "new " Captain America.

With this series, I am most excited about Zemo. He's one of the best MCU villains ... And I hope that Baron Zemo turns out to be awesome.

Sam was also "an Avenger" for a few years at this point, wheras Bucky was still "Commie-Nazi cyborg man" for years. "Captain America" is all about image so it makes way more sense for an established Avenger that people know and trust to be granted the title, and not "Guy who might've done a naughty thing but I vouch for him".

 

[starborn427614]

Rewatched the Wandavision finale for shits and giggles and the good parts still hold up. Episode really suffered as a result of the covid situation, but the Vision vs Vision philosophy shit, Wanda tricking Agatha etc. with the runes? All great moments. I didn't catch it the first time, but she does indeed say she's sorry for "all the pain she caused". It's to Monica and not the townspeople (who'd probably tell her to fuck off), but still.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Rewatched the Wandavision finale for shits and giggles and the good parts still hold up. Episode really suffered as a result of the covid situation, but the Vision vs Vision philosophy shit, Wanda tricking Agatha etc. with the runes? All great moments. I didn't catch it the first time, but she does indeed say she's sorry for "all the pain she caused". It's to Monica and not the townspeople (who'd probably tell her to fuck off), but still.

Yeah I think the Monica shit was a bit overblown, she was just fishing for something to try and make Wanda not feel as bad, and it didn't work. The both of them clearly understood the town hated her for obvious and justified reasons.

 

[James Roancrest]

Stuff like this is why I actually enjoy the first Hobbit film. The only decent film of the three.

Just saw the replies. I suggest watching the Maple Films edit of The Hobbit. It turns the trilogy into a four hour film and cuts out the most egregious additions to the plot (the love triangle, Radagast, the Gandalf B-plot, Legolas being forced into the plot, a lot of White Orc scenes, and more). In my opinion, it is the quintessential Hobbit filn experience.

Here is the YouTube trailer for the edit:

 

[starborn427614]

I assume by the fact no one's posted yet that interest for Falcon+Winter Solider is low. Shame, I thought the first episode was decent. It's definitely going to turn some people off due to its pace though.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

It was fine. Some of the stuff with Sam, his sister, and the bank was cringy (and I can't believe Stark didn't set up something to take care of the Avengers) but beyond that it was all decent set-up and fleshing out of Sam and Bucky. I'm curious as to what they plan to do with the Flag Smashers. A 'world without borders' is seen as a good thing by Hollywood types, so I have a feeling they'll be shown as good people who were just misguided and used by Zemo.

Wyatt Russell looks really weird in that Captain America mask.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Some of the stuff with Sam, his sister, and the bank was cringy (and I can't believe Stark didn't set up something to take care of the Avengers)

 

[Quantum Diabetes]

I assume by the fact no one's posted yet that interest for Falcon+Winter Solider is low. Shame, I thought the first episode was decent. It's definitely going to turn some people off due to its pace though.

I looked at it today, standard grimdark Capeshit with a bit of the Black Butthurt(c) experience, if I still have ShitneyPlus by the end of it I'll see if it improved.

 

[The Valeyard]

It was fine. Some of the stuff with Sam, his sister, and the bank was cringy (and I can't believe Stark didn't set up something to take care of the Avengers)

Sam's sister implying that the bank wasn't giving them a loan because they're racist? Yeah, that was cringy.

I'm curious as to what they plan to do with the Flag Smashers. A 'world without borders' is seen as a good thing by Hollywood types, so I have a feeling they'll be shown as good people who were just misguided and used by Zemo.

The Flag Smashers are named after the supervillain Flag-Smasher/Karl Morgenthau from the comics, who has been gender flipped into Karli Morgenthau for this show which all but guarantees that they will be portrayed sympathetically by the narrative.

 

[starborn427614]

Sam's sister implying that the bank wasn't giving them a loan because they're racist? Yeah, that was cringy.


The Flag Smashers are named after the supervillain Flag-Smasher/Karl Morgenthau from the comics, who has been gender flipped into Karli Morgenthau for this show which all but guarantees that they will be portrayed sympathetically by the narrative.

Agatha wasn't exactly given a peaceful resolution and I'd argue F+WS's tone being more violent means it could go either way.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Sam's sister implying that the bank wasn't giving them a loan because they're racist? Yeah, that was cringy.

It was almost saved by the banker going, "Actually, it's because it 5 billion people just re-appeared and are also applying for loans."

Speaking of the Blip stuff, I'm hoping at least a portion of the supposed Hawkeye series is set during that time.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Honestly, everything I’ve heard about the Falcon/Winter Soilder stuff sounds incredibly cringy woke pointness. Plus it seems really out of place in a world where half the population ceased to exist for a half-decade. Maybe people have other shit to worry about atm.

 

[starborn427614]

Honestly, everything I’ve heard about the Falcon/Winter Soilder stuff sounds incredibly cringy woke pointness. Plus it seems really out of place in a world where half the population ceased to exist for a half-decade. Maybe people have other shit to worry about atm.

The bank specifically denies them a loan because Falcon doesn't have records from the past five years (due to being dead and all). The rest is just speculation on his sister's part.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Sam's sister implying that the bank wasn't giving them a loan because they're racist? Yeah, that was cringy.

The bank specifically denies them a loan because Falcon doesn't have records from the past five years (due to being dead and all). The rest is just speculation on his sister's part.

I haven't watched this yet, but don't they know he's an Avenger?

Also, I'm not saying racism doesn't exist in this universe, but it's kinda hard to believe that, in a world where black superheroes exist and half the world disappeared and then came back, hating blacks is something people would have in mind as a priority.

Again, I haven't yet watched this, but this looks a lot like a very bad plothole. Like @Tor Lugosi said above, it's impossible to believe that either Stark or the government would just let the Avengers on their own, either because of loyalty or because you don't want some mad powerful human around being mad (e.g. Wanda situation).

 

[Tor Lugosi]

I haven't watched this yet, but don't they know he's an Avenger?

Also, I'm not saying racism doesn't exist in this universe, but it's kinda hard to believe that, in a world where black superheroes exist and half the world disappeared and then came back, hating blacks is something people would have in mind as a priority.

Again, I haven't yet watched this, but this looks a lot like a very bad plothole. Like @Tor Lugosi said above, it's impossible to believe that either Stark or the government would just let the Avengers on their own, either because of loyalty or because you don't want some mad powerful human around being mad (e.g. Wanda situation).

They know. The banker in the scene was acting like a retarded fanboy over Sam being the Falcon.

And, yeah, that is impossible to believe. Tony's best friend, Rhodey, was nearly crippled and had to undergo months of physical therapy. The idea that Stark didn't set up something to financially help out the Avengers is literally unbelievable.

 

[UnKillFill]

I haven't watched this yet, but don't they know he's an Avenger?

Spoiler

Yeah, the bank guy did, he was literally asking for a selfie with Sam even as he was telling him and his sister to get fucked. It was honestly where the majority of the cringe in that scene came from for me.

Anyway, I've been thinking about it some more and (in the MCU at least, tbh I've never really followed either in the comics,) Winter Soldier is a hell of a lot more interesting than Falcon is. I don't blame them for realizing that Falcon couldn't carry a series on his own. (I do kind of agree that Sam had more of a claim to the mantle of Captain America than Bucky did though.)

You know what would have been an awesome idea for a show? Sam and Bucky having to team up for whatever reason, but each episode stylistically takes place in a different decade. Have the story flow continuously from episode to episode, but have the costumes (I know 'Winter Soldier' is a relatively recent addition to the MCU, but there's still plenty you could do, like putting him in Bucky's old school costume), and more importing the writing style, change every episode. Say Wanda did it again or whatever.

One last thing, why the fuck did it look like Sam was about to cry when hell, even before, they officially announced that there was a new Captain America? Yeah *we* know he's gonna end up being 'evil white man bad', but Sam doesn't yet.

 

[starborn427614]

They know. The banker in the scene was acting like a retarded fanboy over Sam being the Falcon.

And, yeah, that is impossible to believe. Tony's best friend, Rhodey, was nearly crippled and had to undergo months of physical therapy. The idea that Stark didn't set up something to financially help out the Avengers is literally unbelievable.

Civil War was a thing. I doubt Sam was able to take money from Tony at any point after that.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

Civil War was a thing. I doubt Sam was able to take money from Tony at any point after that.

Stark had roughly five years to figure out something, which he seems to have done given that Natasha was running things at the start of Endgame, and she also ultimately betrayed Tony's side in Civil War.

EDIT: Although I should point out this whole financial stupidity is a fairly small plot point that I think is just meant to show another aspect of the larger theme of both Bucky and Sam having trouble adapting and re-adjusting to normal life. It's just a really stupid plot point.