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The Dude said:
The hotter 10mm Stuff based on the original load pressures is in the low 700s for muzzle energy in ft./lbs. Some of the really hot stuff is getting in the high 700s to low 800s for boutique bear loads. Most 10mm is loaded to similar pressures as the FBI Light Load developed by Federal for the FBI duty ammo contract they got in the 90s, which is in the low 500s for muzzle energy and was the load the .40 S&W was based on.

Elmer Keith developed two loads when he created the .41 Magnum: a 230gr semi-wadcutters at about 1200fps and 1000 ft./lbs. for handgun hunting, and a 180gr load at about 950fps and roughly 520 ft./lbs. for law enforcement use. I could have the exact specs wrong, but he developed a hotter, heavier load for hunting and a lighter load for law enforcement which is close to the modern. 40 S&W. However, there are much hotter loads available in .41 Mag these days. I've got a box of Barnes Vort-Tx 180gr solid copper hollow points at 1520fps and a box of Underwood 230gr Keith style semi-wadcutter gas check hard cast lead bullets at 1450fps. The Underwoods in particular are quite a handful and are only a tad slower than the lighter solid copper Barnes bullets. I forget the exact muzzle energy of each, but they're both well above 900 ft./lbs.
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the light load was called ".41 Police". the "Magnum" cartridges struggled in getting approval by the large police departments well into the 80s because of the fear of "militarized police". That's why all the various +p .38 loads were developed.

Unfortunately the .41 was often chambered in .44 mag sized guns which didn't help adoption. too heavy a gun for small officers and the .41s were even heavier than the .44s because of thicker barrels and cylinders. A good medium framed revolver would have helped sales and adoption. the Colt Python was supposed to be offered in .41 but the lock-work of the gen 1 python could not handle it (or .357 for that matter)

The departments that did adopt the .41 were mainly in the southwest and rural parts of the south and midwest. Lousiville KY PD authorized them for service with the light load (and SWAT got 4 inch M/29 .44mags at one point).
 
"Hello I want super-duper 5.56."

"Sir that would destroy the barrel lining within a few thousand rounds."

"Oh that's okay money is a made up thing that doesn't actually matter to me."

"That's totally rad. Here you go."

Why is this controversial?
 
Boney said:
"Hello I want super-duper 5.56."

"Sir that would destroy the barrel lining within a few thousand rounds."

"Oh that's okay money is a made up thing that doesn't actually matter to me."

"That's totally rad. Here you go."

Why is this controversial?
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I guess, in the grand scheme of things re-barreling an AR isn't that big of a deal.
 
Hello MRGT
Midwest Industries is either for some mysterious reason gaslighting people or they are going to be making (at least advertising) a strong contender for probably the coolest thing at SHOT 2026
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"AGPinochet that's just a revolver carbin- wait is that a fucking suppressor"

Yes, Indeed MRGT, that is a Suppressor, and based on the seriousness of the advertising I don't think this is some dumb meme bullshit either. However this image brings up a very big question. How the hell are they achieving a gas seal. Based on that blurry as hell image I don't think they're using telescoped ammunition like a Nagant, which would also require a forward camming cylinder, They're evidently not using an external sealing system like Revolver Seal or the PDRS. That leaves three options. 1. This is a dumb meme image, 2. They're using a sabot system like the KAC revolver rifle 3. They're using some new kind of method to achieve a gas seal.

Much like Negroes and Chinamen, I cannot tell revolvers apart because they all look the same, can anyone ID it or is it a Midwest original model?

I have been thinking about alternate history suppressed revolver carbines using Nagant style ammunition recently.
 
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AGPinochet said:
Hello MRGT
Midwest Industries is either for some mysterious reason gaslighting people or they are going to be making (at least advertising) a strong contender for probably the coolest thing at SHOT 2026
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"AGPinochet that's just a revolver carbin- wait is that a fucking suppressor"

Yes, Indeed MRGT, that is a Suppressor, and based on the seriousness of the advertising I don't think this is some dumb meme bullshit either. However this image brings up a very big question. How the hell are they achieving a gas seal. Based on that blurry as hell image I don't think they're using telescoped ammunition like a Nagant, which would also require a forward camming cylinder, They're evidently not using an external sealing system like Revolver Seal or the PDRS. That leaves three options. 1. This is a dumb meme image, 2. They're using a sabot system like the KAC revolver rifle 3. They're using some new kind of method to achieve a gas seal.

Much like Negroes and Chinamen, I cannot tell revolvers apart because they all look the same, can anyone ID it or is it a Midwest original model?

I has been thinking about alternate history suppressed revolver carbines using Nagant style ammunition recently.
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I can just about guarantee that they are not doing anything like that and its just a regular smith and Wesson.
 
AGPinochet said:
Hello MRGT
Midwest Industries is either for some mysterious reason gaslighting people or they are going to be making (at least advertising) a strong contender for probably the coolest thing at SHOT 2026
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"AGPinochet that's just a revolver carbin- wait is that a fucking suppressor"

Yes, Indeed MRGT, that is a Suppressor, and based on the seriousness of the advertising I don't think this is some dumb meme bullshit either. However this image brings up a very big question. How the hell are they achieving a gas seal. Based on that blurry as hell image I don't think they're using telescoped ammunition like a Nagant, which would also require a forward camming cylinder, They're evidently not using an external sealing system like Revolver Seal or the PDRS. That leaves three options. 1. This is a dumb meme image, 2. They're using a sabot system like the KAC revolver rifle 3. They're using some new kind of method to achieve a gas seal.

Much like Negroes and Chinamen, I cannot tell revolvers apart because they all look the same, can anyone ID it or is it a Midwest original model?

I have been thinking about alternate history suppressed revolver carbines using Nagant style ammunition recently.
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Or perhaps they've partnered with an ammunition manufacturer to develop some kind of captured piston ammunition similar to what the Soviets and Ruskies have used in some of their secret squirrel guns?
 
The Dude said:
Or perhaps they've partnered with an ammunition manufacturer to develop some kind of captured piston ammunition similar to what the Soviets and Ruskies have used in some of their secret squirrel guns?
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Eeeeeh, While possible I don't think that's likely. While gas sealage with the SP-4 cartridge was not perfect and a highly restrictive micro suppressor could theoretically bed added to somewhat increase sound performance, That's a normal suppressor, SilencerCo 46 it looks like. Plus, those are normal cartridges on the stock, an ATF still considers each captive piston round to be a suppressor*, which isn't necessarily a huge deal now as long as you can dig up AI to generate you 50,000 Form 1's and the notice of destruction paperwork**

*I can't find it right now but I read fairly recently about a guy who claimed and had photos of saying that like 20 years ago he managed to get a line on some SP-4 cartridges and wanted to import them, so he asked ATF and ATF was so confused they eventually just told them to register the literal box the cartridges came in, so he essentially got like 12 tax stamps for the price of one.
**Would you need to do that assuming you could design your own reloadable centre piston cartridge? Would that make projectiles for them silencer parts under ATF regulations?
 
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74164978231 said:
Is this some meta level troll to push gun control? Guy is working really hard to make the round sound super duper other worldly when it gets 3500fps out of an 18 barrel. Not much faster than fucking m193 out of a similar length barrel.

Because anyone who knows anything about barrel length, niche loads isnt creaming their pants over this.
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M193 was designed in mind with a 20'" barrel. A standard M193 cartridge out of a 20" barrel can already achieve this velocity no problem.
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That said now I want to see them shoot it out of a 20" barrel and do a properly calibrated gel test. If it can get >3900 FPS territory that is getting in the range of penetrating Level IV / RF3 ceramic plates.
 
AGPinochet said:
Hello MRGT
Midwest Industries is either for some mysterious reason gaslighting people or they are going to be making (at least advertising) a strong contender for probably the coolest thing at SHOT 2026
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"AGPinochet that's just a revolver carbin- wait is that a fucking suppressor"

Yes, Indeed MRGT, that is a Suppressor, and based on the seriousness of the advertising I don't think this is some dumb meme bullshit either. However this image brings up a very big question. How the hell are they achieving a gas seal. Based on that blurry as hell image I don't think they're using telescoped ammunition like a Nagant, which would also require a forward camming cylinder, They're evidently not using an external sealing system like Revolver Seal or the PDRS. That leaves three options. 1. This is a dumb meme image, 2. They're using a sabot system like the KAC revolver rifle 3. They're using some new kind of method to achieve a gas seal.

Much like Negroes and Chinamen, I cannot tell revolvers apart because they all look the same, can anyone ID it or is it a Midwest original model?

I have been thinking about alternate history suppressed revolver carbines using Nagant style ammunition recently.
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I'm in.
 
888Flux said:
M193 was designed in mind with a 20'" barrel. A standard M193 cartridge out of a 20" barrel can already achieve this velocity no problem.
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That said now I want to see them shoot it out of a 20" barrel and do a properly calibrated gel test. If it can get >3900 FPS territory that is getting in the range of penetrating Level IV / RF3 ceramic plates.
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M193 is 55 grain projectiles According to the other post they were getting that 3500 velocity with 77 grain projectiles.
 
AGPinochet said:
7th Special Forces Group Rifle
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Improvised SMG from the first Chechen war
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Sean Strickland, #3 ranked UFC Middleweight is a proponent of the Lima Six Belt Fed. Their is now a chance that the Joe Rogan Experience will one day serve as impromptu advertising for Lima Six Belt Feds
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Lebanese child with FAMAS
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Full Conceal Glock that was offered for sale on the Iraqi black market
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Issue #16 of the GunCAD Digest

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A Few thoughts I had
1. Due to $0 Tax Stamps, the Revolver Seal mechanism makes a little more economic sense to produce


2. Also due to $0 Tax Stamps, it also makes a little more sense to offer Pistols designed to have quick detect shoulder stocks that may or may not also double as holsters. Would not be practical but would be cool. Something Keltec or B&T would do.
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Look at 7th SFG Not using the M7 abomination

As for suppressors..... A LOT of blue states will be adding massive fees into them, Virginia just added on that'll add a $500 fee and they have a Blue supermajority


Ugh 😫

Oh and the new eotech laser light box just dropped

$3000

 
Taser Confetti said:
They're great. What's your use case however? Subsonic .300BLK performs basically like .45ACP so it's usefulness and range is very limited.
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Just something so mess around with. I ordered a 30cal can and I don't really have anything to put it on, don't really want to get a 300blk ar, and a bolt would be quieter.
 
code123 said:
Just something so mess around with. I ordered a 30cal can and I don't really have anything to put it on, don't really want to get a 300blk ar, and a bolt would be quieter.
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Why did you buy a 30 cal can then? Subsonic .300BLK is a pretty expensive cartridge to plink with even if you get into handloading.
 
Taser Confetti said:
Why did you buy a 30 cal can then? Subsonic .300BLK is a pretty expensive cartridge to plink with even if you get into handloading.
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must consume......
but i was buying a 223 and another 22lr can and i figured i would just get all the paperwork done with at once and order a 30 cal aslo, not sure if there really are any other cals i would want to suppress, as i already have a 9mm and a 45acp can.

another reason i wanted a bolt, goes through ammo much slower then an ar.


anyone have any stratageys if you go with qd hub mounts to prevent putting a can on the wrong caliber, im probably going to go with planb for the 223 can, as i have a few guns to put it on. as i will probably only have one gun for the 30 cal i would just direct thread and leave it on there but if i wanted to go qd, should i go with another mount platform, as i think the 223 can would thread on the planb qd mount for the 30 cal.
 
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