Mega Rad Gun Thread

xf7ub2LMGZj%yV said:
somehow they are still in business
although they only seem to have AR10s....
(they are the ones who make clear lowers, they don't offer a warranty on those due to the plastic being weaker. )

It's just bottom of the barrel quality, the magazine can be ripped out with only a little extra force, I think it's 3d printed plastic (or some form of injection molding).
It's workable, but pretty junky. I bought it before there were much better options, but now I wouldn't even think about it.

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My friend is actually trying to sell me is BRT build he made. I want it but I spent a lot on guns recently... (the lima6 is working, and the ammo bills keep hitting)
This seems like one of the best gucci use cases for a RDB system, though my friend is a lefty and still complains about the gas.
When he was getting it running he had issues with the endo mags I thing? He switched to the CMMG and I haven't heard anything, but he also doesn't shoot much.

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Might be worth looking into for seeing what works best with the rdb system!
also since we are talking about the "hang time" bullets have. I forget where I saw it but someone once said
"the space between the magazine in the chamber is where the bullet talks to god"
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Eugene Stoner made the first AR patterns out of Aluminum I guess that was the latest and greatest space age material that also fit the budget for the average firearm owner and the government for decades. We had Titanium and I think we even had Inconel being used for advanced aerospace projects. Plastic/polymer following the true original AR pattern lower with that thin area between the FCG and the buffer threads was a bridge too far imho. I was a kid when I saw my first Glock and thought who the fuck would buy a gun made of plastic? I guess the Glock's were designed around polymer with steel inserts for the critical parts and they do run for 10's of thousands of rounds. I think any polymer AR is either a novelty proving a point that one can make a 3D printed lower without permission from any government or it's purely for fun like a .22LR. upper. I think a fully polymer AR-18 platform would run forever. It's that buffer tube connecting area that just ends up being the achilles heel of AR 5.56 Lowers.
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. Isn't the HK G36 basically a plastic modernized AR-18? I've heard they have some mild accuracy issues when heating up.
 
Troon_Patrol said:
Plastic/polymer following the true original AR pattern lower with that thin area between the FCG and the buffer threads was a bridge too far imho
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I've seen so many guns built on those ATI Omni plastic lowers shit the bed that I'm surprised that people are still doing it. That said, I do own a couple of KP-15s and they've been pretty bulletproof. My only beef with them is the blind installation of the fire selector detent that sort of locks you into non-cassette triggers if you want to take them out later for service or replacement (KE now offers a specific fire selector that mitigates this, but did not when I bought and built mine out).
 
Taser Confetti said:
Yes, it was literally designed to be as cheap as possible because West Germany doubled its territory and was absolutely fucked financially.

Unpopular opinion - all of NATO should adopt the 416.
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It is kinda funny, it really seems 90% the state of the art combat semi-auto rifles and SMGs designs are based off the original pattern AR DI system or the AR-18 gas piston system. The remaining 10% seem to be roller delayed or rotating breach, a few AK patterns" built to higher standard" which is questionable. After that couple other weird designs that never faired better in field testing that stoners designs.

70 years later, they have made some improvements here or there but the Original AR-10 Pattern is literally over 70 years old at this time. The AR-18 was done in 1963. The only more copied method for retarding kinetic energy I'm aware of is the tilting barrel browning design.

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Taser Confetti said:
3500 for a 900 gun.

Are Taren Tactical fans the biggest fags in the gun community?
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Romulus augustulus said:
G&H still make that mount and will build you a Garand with it. many of these rifles went on to serve with the South Vietnamese army.
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AKA how to take a rifle known for being overpriced and make it even more ridiculous.

3-2-1836 said:
Has anyone actually been charged with this statute as I've always wondered the constitutional basis for this even existing to begin with.
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There has never been a constitutional basis for any of this, it was all a deliberate attempt to make gun ownership more onerous for people who follow laws and kill widespread civilian firearms ownership with a death by a thousand cuts.
 
God's drunkest driver said:
AKA how to take a rifle known for being overpriced and make it even more ridiculous.
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If you're talking about the Garand, I'd argue that they are underpriced considering the amount of machining and hand work that goes into building one.

if you're referring to G&H, they're an old style gunmaker that rely's on a lot of hand fitting with some of the top gunsmiths in the country. labor is stupid expensive.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
If you're talking about the Garand, I'd argue that they are underpriced considering the amount of machining and hand work that goes into building one.

if you're referring to G&H, they're an old style gunmaker that rely's on a lot of hand fitting with some of the top gunsmiths in the country. labor is stupid expensive.
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If something like the Garand or the SKS were to get new production today no one would buy it due to cost.
 
DocAwe said:
If something like the Garand or the SKS were to get new production today no one would buy it due to cost.
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Romulus augustulus said:
they'd be 5k minimum. the only way "new" builds keep the costs down to only 2-3k is because they use old stock actions.
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I thought you guys were exaggerating, but I just looked up the original cost and ran it through an inflation calculator, and it looks like the guns were being built for $3000+ easily back during WW2, and that was undoubtedly with a lot of government cheese greasing the skids along the way. I think $5000 new would be pretty realistic for any actual new production Garand.

I have always been partial to those little .22 LR reproductions of old war guns as a cheaper, fun alternative to an actual reproduction. I wonder what the cost on a .22 LR Garand would be?
 
Fount of BadSpeak said:
I thought you guys were exaggerating, but I just looked up the original cost and ran it through an inflation calculator, and it looks like the guns were being built for $3000+ easily back during WW2, and that was undoubtedly with a lot of government cheese greasing the skids along the way. I think $5000 new would be pretty realistic for any actual new production Garand.

I have always been partial to those little .22 LR reproductions of old war guns as a cheaper, fun alternative to an actual reproduction. I wonder what the cost on a .22 LR Garand would be?
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it would be equal if not more because of the smaller size. all the machining operations would be identical. M1s are absurd guns to be honest.

New build M14 rifles built to original spec and with forged actions (M1A is cast) are 3k-5k for base models, and an M14 is a much easier rifle to build compared to an M1.
 
Mikoyan said:
They are injection molded, at least.
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They had an old video on social media where they had like 20 ender3s, I have no idea why lol.
There was also a 3d print farm in Texas I think they worked (they had AR receivers on their "stuff we make" wall) with, though it's possible they also did injection molding.

It's funny because hoffman designed a 3d printed lower that works for thousands of rounds (as long as you don't melt it!)
Troon_Patrol said:
Eugene Stoner made the first AR patterns out of Aluminum
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My google-fu is failing me but didn't colt make 1 Bakelite/Plastic Experimental Monolithic lower? (much later than the first AR15s)
I thought that's what the KP-15 was originally based on.
 
xf7ub2LMGZj%yV said:
My google-fu is failing me but didn't colt make 1 Bakelite/Plastic Experimental Monolithic lower? (much later than the first AR15s)
I thought that's what the KP-15 was originally based on.
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Yes, they did experiment with polymer lowers for a bit, I'm not sure what type of plastic they used though. Forgotten Weapons has a video going over the history of monolithic polymer lowers from the Colt experiments to the KP-15.
 
Fount of BadSpeak said:
I thought you guys were exaggerating, but I just looked up the original cost and ran it through an inflation calculator, and it looks like the guns were being built for $3000+ easily back during WW2, and that was undoubtedly with a lot of government cheese greasing the skids along the way. I think $5000 new would be pretty realistic for any actual new production Garand.

I have always been partial to those little .22 LR reproductions of old war guns as a cheaper, fun alternative to an actual reproduction. I wonder what the cost on a .22 LR Garand would be?
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Taser Confetti said:
3500 for a 900 gun.

Are Taren Tactical fans the biggest fags in the gun community?
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I'm not sure what's worse, the end price point for that pistol or that the starting pistol is $900.

I will say this about the TTI crew: they give excellent customer service.
The Dude said:
Probably .475 Linebaugh since it's a pretty fuck-off big cartridge
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Please do this so I can live vicariously through you.
The Dude said:
I plan on having Gary Reeder do the custom work on it, and he's renowned for his custom work on Rugers.
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I'd forgotten about Reeder and co. I went to look at their website and even though I don't like revolvers I'm damn tempted to send them my Vaquero and 29-2 for some work. First shoulder holsters and now this! Why do you do this to me?!
Troon_Patrol said:
It is kinda funny, it really seems 90% the state of the art combat semi-auto rifles and SMGs designs are based off the original pattern AR DI system or the AR-18 gas piston system. The remaining 10% seem to be roller delayed or rotating breach, a few AK patterns" built to higher standard" which is questionable. After that couple other weird designs that never faired better in field testing that stoners designs.

70 years later, they have made some improvements here or there but the Original AR-10 Pattern is literally over 70 years old at this time. The AR-18 was done in 1963. The only more copied method for retarding kinetic energy I'm aware of is the tilting barrel browning design.

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I suspect there's only so many ways to make a cost-effective, reliable, magazine-fed semi-auto rifle and we figured them all out years ago.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
it would be equal if not more because of the smaller size. all the machining operations would be identical.
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assuming they keep it the same. if they take a blowback .22 action and dump that into a garand looking stock with a stamped reciver cover ala nylon 66 to look like a garand, plus a magazine tube in place of the garand's gas tube that would be pretty damn cheap; but then again, it wouldn't really be much of a garand.
 
T-800 said:
Isnt the Taren Tactical guy an accomplished shooter or am I confusing him with someone else?
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Yes. He has a whole shooting school and was the guy who Keanu Reeves trained with to prepare for John Wick.
 
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