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Are shotguns obsolete for home defense? From what I've read here and elsewhere, ARs seem to be superior to them in almost every way. The only thing that shotguns seem to have over ARs is the ability to deliver multiply hits on target with just one trigger squeeze.
For Joe Jackoff I still think a shotgun is the way to go. It's extraordinarily rare to need more than the 6-7 rounds a basic bitch combat shotgun gives you, and any unarmored human you hit with buckshot at indoor distances is FUCKING DEAD.

However, Nool is in the 1% of people where having the range, capacity, follow-up shots, and limited armor penetration from an AR may actually make a difference.
 
What's a good website to buy real surplus and/also antique surplus?
I’ve always used eBay for military gear, just search google with the appropriate NSN number. For instance if I wanted a Medium Regular Woodland M65 Field Jacket, I would google “8415-01-099-7835” which is the NSN number for that exact size jacket. Be sure to check the pictures of the tag to make sure they have the correct listing info and if they don’t you can always ask them for better/more detailed pics. You can put that into the google shopping section to get sale listings. There are a lot of random websites that catalog military gear such as ciehub and others that can give you more detailed info. Numrich Gun Parts is a good website for surplus gun parts if that is what you mean by surplus. When searching for military surplus you need to be a bit of an autist and search for info on forums. I usually just google my questions and add “forum” to the tail end of my search and I can find what I’m looking for.
 
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Most important part is picking out the right camo. Not for hiding as thermals render camo obsolete, but for the vibe.

Being in Florida, I recommend Miami Tiger Stripe.
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Papa Null, get the AutoDilator, quick!
Remember the shotgun from Blade 2?
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Why's everyone so obsessed with "competition" pistols? Like nigger I'm not carrying some faggot ass heavy ass gun every day. Is there any competitions where these guns are banned and you have so shoot what you carry everyday?

Because autists, if not corralled, will ruin every hobby with "muh POINTS" autism and that'd how USPSA and IDPA morphed into who buys the most expensive race gun.

There is something out there called I believe the out of the box competitions where you use just that, a pistol that is unmodified out of the box.

Yep and eventually they all morph into retarded race guns because "MUH POINTS"

What's a good website to buy real surplus and/also antique surplus?
For firearms, the Mosin Crate and on occasion, Atlantic firearms

Things come in batches
 
What's a good website to buy real surplus and/also antique surplus?

Because autists, if not corralled, will ruin every hobby with "muh POINTS" autism and that'd how USPSA and IDPA morphed into who buys the most expensive race gun.



Yep and eventually they all morph into retarded race guns because "MUH POINTS"


For firearms, the Mosin Crate and on occasion, Atlantic firearms

Things come in batches
The days of $100 antique mausers, sub $100 mosins, $70 nagants, $100 tt33s and $150 sks rifles ended right after the Great Sandyhook Panic Buy. Most people want $500 for an absolute beater Turkish mauser and a minimum of $400 for a mismatched rusty sks with bad heads pace & no visible rifling left
 
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The days of $100 antique mausers, sub $100 mosins, $70 nagants, $100 tt33s and $150 sks rifles ended right after the Great Sandyhook Panic Buy. Most people want $500 for an absolute beater Turkish mauser and a minimum of $400 for a mismatched rusty sks with bad heads pace & no visible rifling left
That fucking retard is the reason why all the mom and pop shops by me ran out of 22 unless you wanted to pay eighty bucks for some remington remoil anniversary cleaning kit with a box of 200 included and magpul pmags going for forty to fifty bucks a pop.
 
That fucking retard is the reason why all the mom and pop shops by me ran out of 22 unless you wanted to pay eighty bucks for some remington remoil anniversary cleaning kit with a box of 200 included and magpul pmags going for forty to fifty bucks a pop.
I am just glad that I turned 21 in the 2000s, got my C&R, ignored my ex wife and bought crates of Mosin Nagants for $800, Dozens of Chinese type 53s from omega weapon systems, 10,000 rounds of 8mm mauser when it was less then $0.01 a round and dozens of 1080 round spam cans of Russian 5.45x39 for $35 each
 
Are shotguns obsolete for home defense? From what I've read here and elsewhere, ARs seem to be superior to them in almost every way. The only thing that shotguns seem to have over ARs is the ability to deliver multiply hits on target with just one trigger squeeze.
Not at all. An AR platform rifle (unless it's something silly like a Nemo Arms OMEN) is easier to deploy effectively against an opponent and they hold a lot more ammo. Shotguns are still damn deadly in the hands of a skilled operator so don't automatically discount them even if you have both weapon platforms available. Because I've seen firsthand what shotguns can do to people I confidently say they're not obsolete.
Shoot a shotgun indoors without earpro and you'll see hear the issue. They are not obsolete, but if your training time is limited, the AR platforms are superior.
Doing this with earpro and either a shotgun or a short-barreled rifle still teaches the lesson. No need to get early onset tinnitus.
and any unarmored human you hit with buckshot at indoor distances is FUCKING DEAD.
I'm not trying to be pedantic but this is not automatically true. Shot placement matters most of all with any firearm. I've worked plenty of trauma surgeries where patients had limbs almost amputated, bowels actually coming out of a huge hole in their bellies, heads basically fucking destroyed thanks to shotguns that we had no massive problems keeping alive.

People that came to the ER with upper torso rifle or shotgun wounds almost never make it to the O.R. and if they do, they don't last long.
 
some guns just don't like some brands of ammo. My Beretta 92 hates speer gold dot. failures to extract, failures to feed etc. all the other brands i've used in it work fine.
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First off: 92S, baller.
Secondly, my 92s can damn near feed empty cases, but they're all 92F or later. FWIW I haven't tried gold dots, but HTPs and Goldensabers all fed fine for me. The one time my 92 didn't chamber a factory round that very same round also didn't chamber in a Glock 19 or a CZ SP01, lul.

But yeah, always test what you get, especially with old guns and JHP's. Pretty much everything feeds ball.
 
Speaking of surplus, I rescued a sporterized Polish M44 Mosin in exchange for two tanks of gasoline and a bottle of vodka. No bayonet lug, mangled wood, but good bore. Got a lot of 7.62x54R to go through so I need a shooter Mosin instead of running it through my nice pre-WW2 91/30 Mosin.

May be a good base for a cursed Mosin build. Put it in an aftermarket stock or a new M44/M38 stock. Maybe add an optic, got a spare side rail and Molot optics mount laying around. It has no historical value and it's already been modified, so may as well go to town on it.
 
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Beretta 92S and 92F have a different barrel ramp geometry (and magazine feedlip and follower geometry, but that's not important for this, as a 92S magazine will work fine in a 92F) where truncated round nose bullets tend to get stuck during feeding when off-axis from early release and nonstandard presentation, and failure to extract/eject from lack of negative angle for certain case rims (modern ones require a slightly negative angle rather than neutral).

this is sort of a thing with Speer that they supposedly resolved with the G2 line (i have opinions on that), and a lesser extent Aguila, and if you want similar HP performance without the hassle try HST, hornady critical duty/defense, or Golden Saber instead. LAPD had this issue throughout the 90's until they committed to using Glocks with GD G2 and their Berettas were retired. the duty ammo was 124gr HST from the early 2000's and before then, they were using Ranger-T or Golden Saber since that was equally available for .380, 9mm (Beretta 92F, S&W 5906), and the then-new .40 S&W.
Fun Fact: New Beretta 15 round magazines are still cut for the old heel release.

Just like all the new Uzi Pro magazines are also cut for the old Uzi magazine release.
 
Some of the best DA/SA triggers I've ever felt are on vintage S&W N Frames (and I'm sure on their other DA/SA revolvers). The trigger on my 1st Gen no-dash Model 57 (circa late 1960s) is particularly nice. I had a Model 28 Highway Patrolman from the mid 50s years back that was even better (I really regret selling that one). IMHO "they just don't make 'em like they used to" is a true statement.
My 5946 has a very good DAO trigger, and the trigger on my 586 is very good as well.
 
Old man shouting at clouds but I remember being able to get a cherry Vz.58 with five mags, the pouch to hold them, sling and bayonet for under 700.
Man, I got my Saiga 7.62 NIB for $400... And then spent around $200 or so on parts to convert it to pistol grip.
Probably my best unintentional gun purchase ever. I feel like a guy who bought a full auto MAC-10 in 1981 for $400 (well, they haven't gone up THAT much...)
 
Are shotguns obsolete for home defense? From what I've read here and elsewhere, ARs seem to be superior to them in almost every way. The only thing that shotguns seem to have over ARs is the ability to deliver multiply hits on target with just one trigger squeeze.

Absolutely not. One benefit of shotguns over rifles is that in high stress situations, such as a home invasion, when the adrenaline dumps and your fine motor skills and aim go to shit, it won't be quite as detrimental with a shotgun than it would with a pistol or rifle. While the meme of "with a shotgun, you just need to point it in their rough direction to hit them" is total bullshit (yes, you still need to aim shotguns), shot placement isn't quite as critical. Over-penetration isn't as bad with a shotgun as it is with a rifle, especially when you plan for it by using either frangible shot, or a smaller shot size like 4 Buck instead of 00 Buck. Another benefit of using smaller shot size is there are more projectiles being sent towards the bad guy which increases your chances of scoring a hit.

Shotguns are just like any weapon: they are a tool that is better for some situations, but worse for others. I feel they are worth investing in to add to ones tool kit. I used to not be a big shotgun fan until I got my FosTech Origin 12, and it's now one of my favorite guns in my collection. Most of my training has been around pistols and rifles, so when I decided to get a shotgun for home defense I wanted one that used box magazines so that the manual of arms and controls would be more like a rifle. Most shotguns with removable mags are unreliable range toys, but the Origin is one of the exceptions. They have an adjustable gas system, and the magazines are proprietary and work very well. Once I got the gas system dialed in on mine it has run like a sewing machine, at least with the 10rnd mags. Haven't had a chance to shoot it with the 20rnd drum I bought for it, but I'm sure it'll run well too. The drum is for range fun anyways. The box mags are for going to work.
 
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