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Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX said:
S&W has become a odd company. I feel like they have a weird production line.

Revolvers: The only people buying revolvers are collectors, range shooters, and retards, yet their line doesn't feel like it caters to the later. Their std line seems like it still tries to cater to people who would use revolvers seriously? Idk, Seems like it could be improved and frankly, performance center focus changed from weird "upgrades" to shit like laser engravings or something.

M&P: whew boy, what a line. I almost feel bad, you can tell M&P is trying to not just copy glock like others do, but they need to learn how to make a trigger: 1) M&P9/40 triggers were hot garbage and the design sucked 2) 2.0 triggers are apparently better but design still sucks, 3) the new M&P15 flat trigger apparently is hot garbage, which is like the selling point of their "top of the line ar" (lol), and now 4) this one.

I want to like S&W more, I like their classic series revolvers, but they need to like, burn and rebuild M&P imo.
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I want a revolver for fishing in Alaska, but I'd go with a Super Redhawk over a SW. Something I can wear in a chest rig above my waders in case it bears.
 
likeacrackado said:
My personal feeling with them is that they chase a lot of different niche audiences and have succeeded in creating a brand with in roads all across the market. The only place where they've completely failed is in mid-high end ARs where you can't get away with throwing a little R&D and allowing your manufacturing capabilities and general public name recognition to carry sales.

The weird shit they make does sell. Even these abominations:
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Sold fairly fast at my LGS.

The wheels do seem to have come off a little with these last few product launches and I wonder how sustainable their strategy is long term.
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I am curious where the AR market is going. I feel like M&P15 sport will stick around with the PSA for all the normies, but all these pseudo-mid range options like the M&P15 tact, the SA saint, etc. are gonna have to disappear. At the Mid-range realm, do people even want to buy pre-built ARs? these are the people who know what they want and don't have the money for the DD or KAC shit.
 
Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
I want a revolver for fishing in Alaska, but I'd go with a Super Redhawk over a SW. Something I can wear in a chest rig above my waders in case it bears.
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Having owned both, I’ve come to appreciate S&W. Rugers are solid and built like tanks, but heavy. S&W has the better trigger. The model 69 is a pretty sweet little L-frame 5 shot 44 mag. I’ll probably carry it or my 3 inch 629 on my next Alaska trip.

But, if you’re talking about a .454, then yeah, a Super Redhawk is probably your best option, if not the only one. I haven’t handled an X-frame, but they just look ridiculously huge - like one of those BFRs chambered in something crazy like 45-70.
 
White Devil said:
First off,

I have optics on my duty pistol and my concealed. Trijicon and the Holosun 507 are the current best ones in my experience for duty or defensive use. I'm not a big fan of mailbox optics but for entirely personally subjective reasons.

Secondly, using an MRDS on a pistol won't make you magically worse at irons. It's a whole new skill you have to train, to find the dot quickly etc. What I've seen a lot of guys do is just slave the dot to their irons so it's essentially just assisted shooting. I can tell you after using a pistol dot on duty for a year, I wouldn't go back. Target acquisition and firing accuracy is insane once you're trained and experienced on using them. Batteries last five years for the optics I use, always on or shake awake.

Carrying concealed with an optic takes getting used to but like carrying concealed in general, it's a body composition thing. It will be more uncomfortable if you're fat. I'd recommend a sweat guard behind the optic on any concealed holster.

I'm going to stress that this doesn't magically replace irons shooting, it's just quicker acquisition. If my optic fucks up or the batteries die, I can still use the suppressor height irons on my duty gun like normal. If it happens on my carry gun, my LE G43x came with Ameriglo night sights that once again, let you shoot irons just fine. The only way you'll have issues is if you're one of those dumbasses that removes their pistol iron sights entirely.

Yes, the set ups get expensive quickly for quality gear, but that's always been true of firearms everything, don't let that intimidate you into thinking it's a cool guy only thing. Be Smart, do your research, and buy what compliments what you're trying to do. If you want a dot set up, get irons you can use in case of failure. Buy a reputable brand that isn't known for failures (Like Vortex MRDS and the glass falling out). Practice, practice, practice.
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Mind if I ask have you done any formal training for pistol red dot or did you just figure it out and self practice?
 
Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX said:
I am curious where the AR market is going. I feel like M&P15 sport will stick around with the PSA for all the normies, but all these pseudo-mid range options like the M&P15 tact, the SA saint, etc. are gonna have to disappear. At the Mid-range realm, do people even want to buy pre-built ARs? these are the people who know what they want and don't have the money for the DD or KAC shit.
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Given the latest rush for guns, sometimes people will just buy anything off the shelf like I did. I personally wanted a Ruger or Smith & Wesson. Settler for a Saint Victor since it was the only thing available in my area that was the cheapest at the time.
 
White Devil said:
First off,

I have optics on my duty pistol and my concealed. Trijicon and the Holosun 507 are the current best ones in my experience for duty or defensive use. I'm not a big fan of mailbox optics but for entirely personally subjective reasons.

Secondly, using an MRDS on a pistol won't make you magically worse at irons. It's a whole new skill you have to train, to find the dot quickly etc. What I've seen a lot of guys do is just slave the dot to their irons so it's essentially just assisted shooting. I can tell you after using a pistol dot on duty for a year, I wouldn't go back. Target acquisition and firing accuracy is insane once you're trained and experienced on using them. Batteries last five years for the optics I use, always on or shake awake.
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Concur with all of the above, in theory & actual practice. But I'm not being factitious about the last thing I'm waiting to see, is an RMR being used to rack slides off of barricades/doors/etc & continue to function.

Not Demo Ranch-tier abuse, but what can be expected of it in a worst-case scenario. Maybe that makes me a luddite, but when that sort of durability is common, I might entertain sinking cost into them.

Although lately I've been thinking my eyes will probably force me to bend the curmudgeonly knee first.
 
Pocket Dragoon said:
RMR being used to rack slides off of barricades/doors/etc & continue to function
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4 years of shoot house abuse and my gen 1 is still working great (albeit scuffed up) and i've used all sorts of things to rack the slide with the RMR. note though that mine is not on a mounting plate, but milled directly into the slide with the sealing plate - this provides a much better bearing surface than some plate-based mounting options.
 
TerminalTryHard said:
Mind if I ask have you done any formal training for pistol red dot or did you just figure it out and self practice?
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Initially it was just fucking around with on my concealed because I was curious about the new craze, but anything I use for work has to be qualified for, which means getting with the head of training, etc.
Pocket Dragoon said:
Concur with all of the above, in theory & actual practice. But I'm not being factitious about the last thing I'm waiting to see, is an RMR being used to rack slides off of barricades/doors/etc & continue to function.
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This is why there's so few duty rated MRDS. They have to be able to take this abuse and in my experience, trainers will make you do it to simulate being shot just like when you're training with a regular pistol.

Unlike @Club Sandwich, both optics on my guns are on mounting plates. I do concur with other users though that there SHOULD be a universal footprint.
 
Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX said:
I am curious where the AR market is going. I feel like M&P15 sport will stick around with the PSA for all the normies, but all these pseudo-mid range options like the M&P15 tact, the SA saint, etc. are gonna have to disappear. At the Mid-range realm, do people even want to buy pre-built ARs? these are the people who know what they want and don't have the money for the DD or KAC shit.
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I'm with you on this - the tools and knowledge to build your rifle are readily available, so you can put together a nicer rifle than the current mid-range offerings yourself in an afternoon and get it in damn near any configuration you want instead of a couple of fairly basic options.
 
Meat Target said:
Is it paranoid to wonder if there are undercover Feds at the range? Granted, I'm doing nothing illegal, but I'm sure they'd love to keep tabs on people coming in to get trigger time.
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Well, if it's your backyard yes, I would be suspicious of the well-groomed late-20-somethings in 5.11s and polo shirts standing around.

Otherwise they have their job done for them by simply subpoenaing security camera footage.
 
Meat Target said:
Is it paranoid to wonder if there are undercover Feds at the range? Granted, I'm doing nothing illegal, but I'm sure they'd love to keep tabs on people coming in to get trigger time.
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You have more to fear from rat bastard fudds sticking their nose in your business than you do Federal agents staking out a range.
 
Blasterisk said:
Otherwise they have their job done for them by simply subpoenaing security camera footage.
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Yeah. Of course. Range owner isn't gonna lose his license to prevent you from getting doxxed. Plus, there's dozens of ways for them to know who you are, including but not limited to:
  • You've filled out a 4473
  • You have a CC permit
  • You're an NRA/GOA et al member
  • You talk shit about feds online
 
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Meat Target said:
Is it paranoid to wonder if there are undercover Feds at the range? Granted, I'm doing nothing illegal, but I'm sure they'd love to keep tabs on people coming in to get trigger time.
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You need to make a baseline for your range and go from there. Are you near a military base? The young guy is 5.11 might not be that suspicious. Are you deep in Bumfuck nowhere? Yeah that guy is probably not a local.

But like Devil said the Feds aren't going to stake out a random range, I mean they might be there if they're looking for a specific guy who they know goes to that range a lot. But the real issue is snitches.
 
Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
Since we popped the seal on fed talk today there was something I was hoping to ask the brain trust:

Would paracord wrapping a brace for turn it into something else and thus the weapon an SBR?
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I'm no lawyer but I'd personally say it depends where you're wrapping. As long as you're not wrapping the rubber end piece you put your wrist through it would be ok. If you're just wrapping the not-a-cheek-well section it shouldn't make it any easier to use as a stock.

That being said those brace laws are so vague and subjective it pretty much depends completely on the ATF agent in question to make a decision.
 
Cpl. Long Dong Silver said:
Since we popped the seal on fed talk today there was something I was hoping to ask the brain trust:

Would paracord wrapping a brace for turn it into something else and thus the weapon an SBR?
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Most braces & fins originally had extra retention like straps/loops; even ones sold without, you're not going to get dinged for it. As long as you're not trying to make it into a door trap or something, you'll be good.
Meat Target said:
Is it paranoid to wonder if there are undercover Feds at the range? Granted, I'm doing nothing illegal, but I'm sure they'd love to keep tabs on people coming in to get trigger time.
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They're kinda like 7-11; not always doing business, but always open.
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