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Kel Tec being in Florida explains a lot.

Get a Smith and Wesson CSX, that way you can have the heaviest subcompact pistol you can buy.
The CSX isn't a good choice for several reasons:
1. It can't take a light. It has no rail.
2. There's no optics-ready version.
3. It has an issue where the trigger has a false reset.
People will tell you that the "AR" in "AR-15" is short for "ArmaLite Rifle," but what it's really short for is "America's Rifle."
It stands for ArmaLite. Just ArmaLite. The AR-17 is a semi-automatic shotgun.
 
The CSX isn't a good choice for several reasons:
1. It can't take a light. It has no rail.
2. There's no optics-ready version.
3. It has an issue where the trigger has a false reset.

It stands for ArmaLite. Just ArmaLite. The AR-17 is a semi-automatic shotgun.
1. Skill issue, just squint
2. Skill issue, just practice with irons
3. Skill issue, just don’t miss the first shot
 
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So, Sig (the non-American one) has decided that they wanted to modernize the 55X Series guns. My only question is why the fuck would you do that, they have never had a major military contract for them, the contracts that they did get were for LE agencies (and that was some time ago), there are numerous options that are just flat out better. They've added so much MCX (and by extension, AR) DNA that you're just flat out better off buying an MCX (or better yet, an AR). The only conceivable "feature" (if you can even call it that) that either an AR or MCX lacks compared to this is the ability to use 550 series mags, not that you would ever want to. This is like Beretta bringing back the AR-70
I mean 600 000 guns for the Swiss military is pretty major in my books.
 
Captured PSS Silent Pistol owned by a Militant in Idlib, Syria. There are at least two others in Idlib.
The PSS is a fascinating little gun. IMO the main thing holding it back is it's reliance on a specialized proprietary cartridge. Naturally for the Russian Government that's not a bug its a feature, but objectively it's a detriment. If they could achieve the same results with common caliber it would be truly an extraordinary firearm.

Here's a diagram of how the internal piston system works.
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I've been looking for a 9mm carbine, and while I'm probably going to end up with some kind of CZ Scorpion variant, I found this and thought it was pretty cool.

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Ruger PC Carbine

Has takedown capability on all models, easy ambi switchable controls, and adapters for multiple popular mag types.
Get the “Magpul backpacker stock”, like @Badungus Kabungus mentioned! I bought that exact model (ie: not the model with the keymod hand guard) and I recently bought and installed the Backpacker stock. It’s really neat to have and use for compact storage as a “truck gun”, but also just to put it in a smaller bag for transport to the range. The fact that the backpacker stock can also store a 21rd magazine under the cheek riser is great. The Ruger PCC can take Glock 19 magazines too, so if you have a Glock 19 then you can use one type of mag and one caliber for two guns, which is really neat.
 
The PSS is a fascinating little gun. IMO the main thing holding it back is it's reliance on a specialized proprietary cartridge. Naturally for the Russian Government that's not a bug its a feature, but objectively it's a detriment. If they could achieve the same results with common caliber it would be truly an extraordinary firearm.

Here's a diagram of how the internal piston system works.
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I own 2 Nagant Wheel guns, Yeah it's not fancy slav magic, it's ... some how we can do it cheaper and it comes out pretty good.

PSS are neat for sure. But yeah I'm sure somehow in their vodkafueld brain they were like.. hey we can cut a corner and it'll kinda work.
 
PSS are neat for sure. But yeah I'm sure somehow in their vodkafueld brain they were like.. hey we can cut a corner and it'll kinda work
Aircraft Armaments Inc. was tasked with making a quiet gun for Tunnel Rats in the Vietnam War, they came up with the 10mm QSPR -- a shot-firing piston cartridge that they then stuffed into sawed-off Model 29s.
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can you even actually hit anything with those? looking at it, i think it has side of barn MOA.
with shot, probably at fairly close distances. with actual bullets, probably yes. barrel length relates to velocity, not accuracy. higher velocities tend to offer less drop at range, but you aren't going for olympic targets with a pistol used for tunnel clearing.
 
Get the “Magpul backpacker stock”, like @Badungus Kabungus mentioned! I bought that exact model (ie: not the model with the keymod hand guard) and I recently bought and installed the Backpacker stock. It’s really neat to have and use for compact storage as a “truck gun”, but also just to put it in a smaller bag for transport to the range. The fact that the backpacker stock can also store a 21rd magazine under the cheek riser is great. The Ruger PCC can take Glock 19 magazines too, so if you have a Glock 19 then you can use one type of mag and one caliber for two guns, which is really neat.
After looking at it I'm actually seriously considering one of these. Maybe not as a substitute for the Scorpion, but to replace my old piece of shit AR-7.
 
I would imagine the terminal ballistics are underwhelming.
depends on how far away "terminal" is. rat and snake shot are awful beyond a half dozen meters, but decent inside of that. if you mean the sub-nothing barrel on the model 29, if it's mostly shooting shot inside of a tunnel, it'll do alright within a few meters which is probably all you need. not like someone would be using hollow points or something with it. wadcutters maybe.
 
So, Sig (the non-American one) has decided that they wanted to modernize the 55X Series guns. My only question is why the fuck would you do that, they have never had a major military contract for them, the contracts that they did get were for LE agencies (and that was some time ago), there are numerous options that are just flat out better. They've added so much MCX (and by extension, AR) DNA that you're just flat out better off buying an MCX (or better yet, an AR). The only conceivable "feature" (if you can even call it that) that either an AR or MCX lacks compared to this is the ability to use 550 series mags, not that you would ever want to. This is like Beretta bringing back the AR-70
Is it still the long stroke piston system? Even if it is, there's other external piston rifles that I'm certain would be better and likely less expensive.

I'm not a fan of the 5.56 AK, but I'd take a good Sig 551-A1 any day of the week.
not like someone would be using hollow points or something with it. wadcutters maybe.
You and I both know that wadcutters out of a Model 29 with a 2-3" barrel would fuck someone up in close, even at rather low velocities.
 
depends on how far away "terminal" is. rat and snake shot are awful beyond a half dozen meters, but decent inside of that. if you mean the sub-nothing barrel on the model 29, if it's mostly shooting shot inside of a tunnel, it'll do alright within a few meters which is probably all you need. not like someone would be using hollow points or something with it. wadcutters maybe.
The rounds look smaller than 410 gauge and the projectiles look less than 17 caliber.

I would prefer a 1911 over that.
 
The rounds look smaller than 410 gauge and the projectiles look less than 17 caliber.

I would prefer a 1911 over that.
maybe, but fumbling with moon clips or mags wouldn't be my choice. if i could have squirrel nut crusher gear i'd take an ithaca 37 stakeout. 1960's and very mean in tight spaces.

when it was more spacious tunnels i did some work in, it was metro tunnels under Baghdad as well as Mosul. Mosul especially was such a shit show with that. came back stateside and helped set up new tunnel fighting MOUT courses before deploying again. lessons learned, et c. tunnel fighting is some tough shit and very disorientating and deceptively long range depending on the construction you're encountering, not to mention possibly unstable, unsafe, or plain unmapped/unexplored areas.

do not recommend.
 
maybe, but fumbling with moon clips or mags wouldn't be my choice. if i could have squirrel nut crusher gear i'd take an ithaca 37 stakeout. 1960's and very mean in tight spaces.

when it was more spacious tunnels i did some work in, it was metro tunnels under Baghdad as well as Mosul. Mosul especially was such a shit show with that. came back stateside and helped set up new tunnel fighting MOUT courses before deploying again. lessons learned, et c. tunnel fighting is some tough shit and very disorientating and deceptively long range depending on the construction you're encountering, not to mention possibly unstable, unsafe, or plain unmapped/unexplored areas.

do not recommend.

They had plenty of shotguns in Vietnam. The problem with Tunnel Rat duty is that you're often in too tight a space for an Ithaca 37 or other pump action, even one cut down as small as it possibly could be. You don't have the room to maneuver it or work the pump. You're squished down basically into a ball, duck walking, or you're crawling on your belly. You've got just enough room for a pistol and a handheld flashlight, and that's it. There are stories of Tunnel Rats who were in such tight quarters that even a 1911 was too big. That's why they went with a revolver that fired shot shells instead of a normal bullet, because then aiming wasn't as critical. Not to mention that it wasn't just VC Gooks they had to worry about, but also highly venomous snakes that the VCs would set out as traps.
 
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