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Bunkerhousing said:
I wonder if fully automatic are legal now?
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TV's Adam West said:
Shall not be infringed, god damn it. If I have the desire to walk down to Walmart and ask for an m60 browning machine gun, the only question you should ask me is if I want a sight.
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Its a district court decision, they aren't binding outside that district, however they can be cited elsewhere. The real fun begins when they appeal or there's conflicting decisions in the lower courts allowing it to go to a circuit court or the supreme court.
 
This might seems controversial but I don’t see how a nog with a Glock with a switch falls under historical rights to bear arms…

But if I get to own a SAW on the cheap then fine
 
Troonos said:
I'm sure an actual legal expert will show up, but from what I've read, this doesn't set national precedent. It would have to be heard by a circuit court and then the Supreme Court to apply nationwide.
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As far as I understand it that is accurate.

I also caution celebrating this too early. Yes, it's a good and righteous decision but in terms of practicality not much changes.

Assuming it's held up we would see legal full auto and significantly cheaper full auto weapons as a result, but full auto isn't particularly practical. For example I wouldn't want a full auto pistol or SMG for common self defense. The liability is insane.

That makes it either a range toy or a SHTF gun. As a range toy, the novelty wears off but the ammo costs still remain, and as a SHTF gun its usefulness is situational at best.
 
EggImpregnator said:
AKs make no sense to buy in the current year. Any gun in 5.45 is irrelevant. So it comes down to 762x39 vs 556. 556 is lighter, cheaper, shoots flatter, is available at more gun store, is used by more people. 556 is really the only cartridge I'd buy an AK in today. But you look at a decent 556 AK vs a midrange AR and its just like "why bother?". The AR will give you more performance at a lower price, with something that's easier to get accessories on and to work on.

So I'd have to be REALLY in love with the AK to want one in the first place, and even then I'd have to get one in 556 to make any sort of sense.
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Neo-Nazi Rich Evans said:
id like to take a moment to defend the 7.26x39. when it comes to most situations for the average person i think it is a good round. in fact for home defense and urban areas i'd like it more than a 5.56 based solely on the nigger stopping power of it compared to 5.56. if you shoot an uppity nig-nog with 7.62 you know he is going down and staying down. i recall from reading the black hawk down book how a some of the rangers and delta forces guys complained that the somalis wouldnt always drop when hit by 5.56.

sure, for long range or rapid fire shooting and for carrying ammo due to the lower weight, the 5.56 is better. but the thing is:
when it comes to accuracy, is the average person going to shoot at distances and have the skills needed for it to really matter from practical standpoint?
when it comes to rapid fire, the same applies, it is a skill that the average shooter doesnt have.


now this is assuming the rounds and guns firing them are available in similar quantities and price. if you are going price and availability in the us, then 5.56 is the clear winner.
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EggImpregnator said:
5.56 (especially out of a 20" barrel) is way more devastating of a round that 7.62x39. It doesn't matter what kind of somalian bathtub meth those niggers were on in Mogadishu, if they got hit with a 5.56 round center mass out of an m16a2, they went down. I'd be willing to bet the 556 suffers from the same problem 30 carbine did in Korea - soldiers just missed their target and blamed the gun instead of their own marksmanship. You had guys claiming 30 carbine was so weak it would bounce off of thick chinese winter coats. We know with hindsight these accoounts were most patently false, and a result of prideful men not wanting to look like a bad shot.

To save myself from typing out a very long and tedious message on why 5.56 has way better terminal ballistics, I'll link you this article and some images of 5.56 wound vs a 762x39 wound.


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Going in on the 7.62x39mm debate, I like it because I've shot it. Yes I've seen the wound channel arguments many times. 7.62x39mm depending on the ammo (Yugoslavia ammo especially) CAN yaw and inflict similarwounds to 5.56 55 grain. Or if you need to deal with barriers, you choose regular Soviet standard ammo. It is versatile.

And when you shoot it, it does have power. It is NOT .30 Carbine, not even close. 7.62x39mm has successfully adapted to hunting applications. The SKS has been called the poor man's deer rifle for a reason, it's basically 30-30 except its not a round nose.

And many guns chamber it, not just the AK. Civilian wise, you have the AK, AR-15's, the SKS, many bolt action rifles, weird hybrids like the Mutant, so on so forth.

What I'm getting at EggImpregnator is that it's the same way you like 9mm in your glocks. It has pros and cons. 9mm, solid round. Has less energy than 45, 40, or 10mm. At the same time less recoil, more ammo per mag, and generally more accurate and faster firing than bigger rounds.

7.62x39mm is the opposite in this situation, but you get my point, you can make a argument for it. It has power, barrier penetration capability, moderate recoil compared to a full power round like 7.62x51 or 30-06, and American companies have stepped up to manufacture it after the Russia ban unlike 5.45. That and just psychological factors. Personally I feel comfortable knowing I have a 30 cal by my bed ready to go. And if my house gets invaded, the last thing I want to worry about in my head is if it's going to kill or not.

Tl; dr 7.62x39mm is based and deserves consideration.
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Preacher ✝ said:
As far as I understand it that is accurate.

I also caution celebrating this too early. Yes, it's a good and righteous decision but in terms of practicality not much changes.

Assuming it's held up we would see legal full auto and significantly cheaper full auto weapons as a result, but full auto isn't particularly practical. For example I wouldn't want a full auto pistol or SMG for common self defense. The liability is insane.

That makes it either a range toy or a SHTF gun. As a range toy, the novelty wears off but the ammo costs still remain, and as a SHTF gun its usefulness is situational at best.
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Yeah I know I'm not celebrating. This is going to get fought HARD. Like really fucking hard. Now if we win... cool lol. I guess I can get a full auto AK or actual M16. Ammo prices suck ass. If you don't have much money but can get one of these new production full autos, you will either go bankrupt or not have a fun range trip, because it's over in 5 minutes. There's also a question which companies would actually SELL full autos to civies. I doubt FN is going to sell new products M240s to the public any time soon, which is what you want because it's belt fed.
 
WhoBusTank69 said:
I doubt it if only because attorneys are slackers. The only thing we've got going for us is that Chevron is out so nobody can provide a speculative defense against the argument.
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Chevron being dead is going to help out. But I'm with you. This was luck. And in the end its going to have to go before scotus for how big a challenge to the status quo it is. If it wins, it will be a narrow 5-4. I'm just saying that now. Failure is very high. It would be undoing at least the Regan era regulations, which was 40 years ago. That's a lot of precident it has to undo.
 
DocAwe said:
UZI > MP5
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always liked the uzi.
i really like the way it looks. it has nice lines and has that very cool classic action movie look to it due to it being in literally every action movie.

i like the magazine goes into the grip rather in a mag well forward of the trigger gaurd, i just tend to like guns like that.

i like the charging handle on top. again i like guns like that, including the original version of the ar which had it inside the carry handle on top. just something about charging handles being on top is pleasing to me.

i also had a chance to shoot a full auto one at a range and really liked how it shot. the mp5 might shoot better, probably does, but the uzi fills the submachine gun sized hole in my heart.
 
I found the one machine gun that could be a fun range toy without rendering you bankrupt. It would be good for suppressing fire too.

The American 180, .22lr.

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DocAwe said:
UZI > MP5
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COMMENCE INTERNET SLAP FIGHT!
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MP5 is sexier im just gonna say it.
Preacher ✝ said:
I found the one machine gun that could be a fun range toy without rendering you bankrupt. It would be good for suppressing fire too.

The American 180, .22lr.

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22 LR full autos would sell gangbusters. I'd say sub guns in general would be the most affordable option. Easy and relatively affordable to buy ammo in bulk, all ranges are set up for pistol ammo, and they can be relatively small. Load up a 100 round drum into your SMG of choice for the giggle factor, and watch the lead fly.
 
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