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I found the one machine gun that could be a fun range toy without rendering you bankrupt. It would be good for suppressing fire too.

The American 180, .22lr.

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22 LR full autos would sell gangbusters. I'd say sub guns in general would be the most affordable option. Easy and relatively affordable to buy ammo in bulk, all ranges are set up for pistol ammo, and they can be relatively small. Load up a 100 round drum into your SMG of choice for the giggle factor, and watch the lead fly.
yeah, if we didnt have things like the NFA i can pretty much guarantee you that full auto .22s would be very popular. id love to have one myself, seems like it would be very fun, and as preacher points out, it wouldn't break the bank to take one out for a day of shooting.

right now im pictruing a full auto .22 version of the micro uzi. you cant tell me something like that wouldn't be an absolute fun range toy.
 
yeah, if we didnt have things like the NFA i can pretty much guarantee you that full auto .22s would be very popular. id love to have one myself, seems like it would be very fun, and as preacher points out, it wouldn't break the bank to take one out for a day of shooting.

right now im pictruing a full auto .22 version of the micro uzi. you cant tell me something like that wouldn't be an absolute fun range toy.
A 22 cal micro uzi would be such a fun gun. Absolute bullet hoze. And because of the size it probably wouldn't jump much. I could imagine a lot of 22 adaptions of SMG's and pistols getting full auto for fun. Love to strap a helical mag to something like a .22 MP5. That would be a buzzsaw lol.
 
Don't overthink it. If the NFA is abolished, the best sellers will be M16 fire control groups and the jigs to drill the hole necessary to install them as well as Glock switches.
There's also a question which companies would actually SELL full autos to civies. I doubt FN is going to sell new products M240s to the public any time soon, which is what you want because it's belt fed.
Good thing you can already buy a belt-fed AR upper:
 
I'm sure an actual legal expert will show up, but from what I've read, this doesn't set national precedent. It would have to be heard by a circuit court and then the Supreme Court to apply nationwide.
Correct. This didn’t strike down the NFA, nor issue a national injunction forbidding the ATF from enforcing it.
This isn’t even binding precedent on any other district court. The significance of this is mostly prospective: it will hopefully force the circuit and SCOTUS to confront the NFA straight on, and address both its constitutionality directly. That and refine the Bruen-Rahimi Test to explain what exactly can be regulated and what can’t.
 
So I'd have to be REALLY in love with the AK to want one in the first place, and even then I'd have to get one in 556 to make any sort of sense.
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Pirate AK is on my cheat list.
 
As far as I understand it that is accurate.

I also caution celebrating this too early. Yes, it's a good and righteous decision but in terms of practicality not much changes.

Assuming it's held up we would see legal full auto and significantly cheaper full auto weapons as a result, but full auto isn't particularly practical. For example I wouldn't want a full auto pistol or SMG for common self defense. The liability is insane.

That makes it either a range toy or a SHTF gun. As a range toy, the novelty wears off but the ammo costs still remain, and as a SHTF gun its usefulness is situational at best.
Listen nigger, you step on my lawn, blood will be drawn. I treat my guns like a samurai treats his sword. If I have to whip it out, it's dishonorable to not take a life with it, and brother? I'm an honorable guy.
 
This might seems controversial but I don’t see how a nog with a Glock with a switch falls under historical rights to bear arms…

But if I get to own a SAW on the cheap then fine
Well the Nog part no. But there were a number of high ROF arms at the time of the ratification, and a number of letters between the founding fathers that sum up to
"Damn this shit is cool, I want one"
 
AKs make no sense to buy in the current year. Any gun in 5.45 is irrelevant. So it comes down to 762x39 vs 556. 556 is lighter, cheaper, shoots flatter, is available at more gun store, is used by more people. 556 is really the only cartridge I'd buy an AK in today. But you look at a decent 556 AK vs a midrange AR and its just like "why bother?". The AR will give you more performance at a lower price, with something that's easier to get accessories on and to work on.

So I'd have to be REALLY in love with the AK to want one in the first place, and even then I'd have to get one in 556 to make any sort of sense.
I mean isn't this basically every gun besides the AR-15 and Glock? You don't need anything else in practical sense (unless we are talking shotguns or .308 hunting rifle). But people like to have stuff for fun.

AKs are fun. They are not better or more practical than ARs. But they are fun.
 
AKs make no sense to buy in the current year. Any gun in 5.45 is irrelevant. So it comes down to 762x39 vs 556. 556 is lighter, cheaper, shoots flatter, is available at more gun store, is used by more people. 556 is really the only cartridge I'd buy an AK in today. But you look at a decent 556 AK vs a midrange AR and its just like "why bother?". The AR will give you more performance at a lower price, with something that's easier to get accessories on and to work on.

So I'd have to be REALLY in love with the AK to want one in the first place, and even then I'd have to get one in 556 to make any sort of sense.
The AK is more reliable, doesn't have the world's worst charging handle, doesn't have a stupid useless forward assist button thats more likely to do harm than good, doesn't have a spring in a tube in the stock that you can hear when you fire, and the performance difference between 7.62 and 5.56 is not quite as you described. Yes, 5.56 is lighter and flatter, but lighter isnt always better and at practical combat distances there isnt enough extra flatness to matter. There are also little quality of life things like 7.62 being more pleasant to handle and load than 5.56. In your efforts to paint the AR as the jack of all trades you've betrayed the fact that within its wheelhouse of short to mid range combat (out to 350yds) the AK is outright better, and the AR isn't good enough outside that range to make up for it. Shots beyond 350yds are unlikely unless you're fighting in a war as part of an organized army. Folks like us if we find ourselves in a war or the classic SHTF scenario combat is going to be much much closer than that. Think Guerilla distances.

A 5.56 AK is like a 9mm 1911, heresy, and 5.45 was never good.

seriously what the fuck is up with AR charging handles? Who thought it was a good idea to put it there? It looks thin, cheap, and breakable, reminds me of a beyblade ripcord.
 
The AK is more reliable
The AK is not as reliable as the lore says. The AR is not as unreliable as the Vietnam lore tells you. The AR is a perfectly reliable military rifle, otherwise it would not be adopted all the time (whereas the AK is slowly drifting away aside from Russia).
doesn't have the world's worst charging handle
It is pretty unergonomic, yes. Then again, you only need to rack it once, and the reciprocating charging handle of an AK is far from ideal as well. Especially considering most users are right-handed. The AR configuration keeps the gun more protected from outside elements, as there is no big slot on the side where the handle has to move
doesn't have a stupid useless forward assist button thats more likely to do harm than good
It does. It's called the charging handle. Used to bat a cartridge into battery a few times during my service ("oh but how can you do that, the AK is so reliable!") I don't really know how useful or useless the FA is on an AR, but the fact that 95% (or even more) guns are being made with the FA in it (especially military ones) tells me that even if it's not that useful, doesn't hurt to have it there.
doesn't have a spring in a tube in the stock that you can hear when you fire
Seems like a non-issue to me
the performance difference between 7.62 and 5.56 is not quite as you described
7.62x39 is good for one thing: shooting suppressed. 5.56 is easier to shoot (flatter, faster, softer recoil), lighter, cheaper to make, more universal around the world today, kills humans just as well etc.

There is a good reason that the AK basically not being adopted or made new anywhere around the world (apart from countries like Vietnam and some other third world countries) besides Russia, while the AR is constantly getting adopted in different configurations. The 7.62x39 is going away, even the Russians got rid of it as their main service cartridge 50 years ago.

This might sound like a hate post on AK, not the case. They are fun guns, and I had good memories from my service with one. Pretty reliable, and accurate (well, talking about a Finnish RK-62 with Lapua ammo here). But they are not on par with the AR or other modern assault rifles of this current day. Ergonomics are pre-WW2, and manufacturing is WW2 tech.
 
doesn't have a spring in a tube in the stock that you can hear when you fire, and the performance difference between 7.62 and 5.56 is not quite as you described. Yes, 5.56 is lighter and flatter, but lighter isnt always better and at practical combat distances there isnt enough extra flatness to matter. There are also little quality of life things like 7.62 being more pleasant to handle and load than 5.56.
Uhh NO

The buffer tube spring noise is a literal non issue.

AKs rattle like shit when they're fired.

Lighter is sure a shit better when you're carrying and shooting it... Aka real life choices.

The 5.56mm round is also a solid 15 years newer in terms of development than the 7.62x39mm.

The AK is a SHIT platform to mount optics to, it's rather heavy and is NOT friendly to being made ambidextrous. The sight radius is not great and can't really be improved without a serious redesign.

Russia and the Israelis have probably maxed out the AK platform with the Galil ACE and AK-12 respectively and the next Russian combat rifle will probably be a hybrid AK/AR type design (think upper and lower held together with takedown pins)

Look, I LOVE me some long stroke Gas piston action but it's 2024.... There are better ways to go about it than a mid to late 1940s design.

Note, I love AKs and want at least one more (all of mine will be 7.62x39)
 
Russia and the Israelis have probably maxed out the AK platform with the Galil ACE and AK-12 respectively and the next Russian combat rifle will probably be a hybrid AK/AR type design (think upper and lower held together with takedown pins)
The AK-12 seems like a giant piece of shit, at least the first iterations of it. Plenty of good ideas, but poorly executed and some dumbfound decisions like a 2-round burst, why?

What is the peak of AK evolution is actually the SIG-550 series. The insides of the gun are pretty much exactly like the AK, the manufacturing techniques with a stamped receiver are the same. But it's actually designed to be ergonomic, can actually be modernized to be on par with modern rifles today, and is made with Swiss quality.

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The AK-12 seems like a giant piece of shit, at least the first iterations of it. Plenty of good ideas, but poorly executed and some dumbfound decisions like a 2-round burst, why?

What is the peak of AK evolution is actually the SIG-550 series. The insides of the gun are pretty much exactly like the AK, the manufacturing techniques with a stamped receiver are the same. But it's actually designed to be ergonomic, can actually be modernized to be on par with modern rifles today, and is made with Swiss quality.

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That is why Russia has had One big and one little revision to the AK-12 in the last 2 years.

The stock, grip and handguards were improved and the 2 round burst was dropped

The Sig-550 is it's predecessor, the 540 and all variants are pretty much the Rolex of AKs.
 
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A 5.56 AK is like a 9mm 1911, heresy, and 5.45 was never good.
I have a 5.56 Krinkov AK I SBR'd. I just didn't feel like stocking 5.45 when it's basically the same as 5.56. Especially now that 5.45 is about the same price as 5.56. Still wanna get some 5.45 bakelite mags to complete the look, allegedly with the POD followers they can run 5.56 alright.

Also update to my pistol search, I decided to go with a CZ Shadow 2 Compact. Roughly the same size as a Hi-Power, grip angle is almost the same, and optic ready. I did have to drop SAO and factory threaded barrel from my list but I since it's a frame safety model I can just use in SA exclusively and I'll pick up a threaded barrel for it. Got an RMR mounted on it so I'll shoot it this weekend.
 
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People love to invest their egos into tools, and then argue why their chosen tool is supposedly better.

What really matters is: are your skills and equipment up to the task of your supposed use case.

Skills > Gear.

Most people I’ve met that unprompted want to tell me why XYZ is so much better don’t have a high level of skill.
 
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