Mega Rad Gun Thread

[POWER IN MISERY]

i have finally seen the light. friendship with 9mm AR over. MP5 is new best friend

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

To all the NFA kiwi’s, I could use your thoughts and recommendations. I just completed my ATF form 4 for my first can today, a HUXWRX Ventum 762. It’ll be for my AR15s and AR10s. However I’m a little stumped on a good can for my 9mm AR9’s, pistols, etc as well as which can for my 10/22 plinker. I would like to get those purchased sooner rather than later to make use of the quicker approval times. Any advice?

I have a Silencerco Omega 9K, and I really enjoy it.

i have finally seen the light. friendship with 9mm AR over. MP5 is new best friend

Have you shot a delayed blowback 9mm AR? You get the recoil impulse of the MP5 in an AR format.

A2 sights
No F/A
Brass bump because lefties exist.

You may not like it, but this is what peak AR-15 performance looks like.

Carry handles look cool, but I wouldn’t call it peak performance.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Ok catching up lol

Fml I didn't get three Mosins at $99 each

Wasn't old enough to get in on that, so I can only envy you lol

please dont remind me of 2008. right before that happened i decided it was time to buy a good priced sks next time i found one at a gun show. guess what happened next? the sks was one of the very first guns everyone panic bought. i was screwed so hard out of the one gun i very much wanted. to this day i dont have one and i cry myself to sleep at night remembering how good the prices were and how easy they were to find.

all these years i have been hoping that the prices would drop. i figured, very wrongly btw, that after the panic, people would eventually start selling off some of the guns they bought. i was hoping we would see people drop their unwanted sks onto the market for a bit of cash they needed for other bills. so far that hasnt happened in enough numbers for it to affect the overal price or avaliability.

i think im just going to have to bite the bullet and slap down the money to get one.

Feelz. SKSs used to be so damn cheap and cheerful.

The Gun market now is odd. Most new/in production stuff is cheap (ish) yet anything old is ridiculously expensive.

I'm glad I got my SKS when i did. Sportsman's had a black friday sale of a lot of them for $399. It was what I could afford at the time as well as cheap ammo at the time too, so I got it. Had to fix the piston extension, but once I did, it shot really well.

What are some good reliable American guns. The Russians have aks and the Austrians have glocks so what’s America’s

Smith and Wesson, especially their wheel guns. Love my revolver.

i dont have one, but ive always heard the ruger P series pistols are very reliable.

It is. Dad has a P Series. It eats Winchester steel case like nothing. Most reliable gun I've ever shot.

FN FS2000

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Fite me.

The FN FS 2000 speaks to me as a 2000's kid. Yes it looks like a tuna- just like every car in the 2000s. Apparently it had really, really good mud protection. End of the world, I'd want one for just that.

Ammo prices seem to just get more and more expensive these days. I'm stocking now while i can. Perhaps in 4 years we'll look back on 40cpr brass reman 223 as "the good times". I mean just look at this """"""""deal"""""""" of 50cpr steel case 762x39.

Ammo prices suck now, especially if you buy Russian calibers like me. If you want to shoot at a range with your SKS, it better be fucking brass and non magnetic, so that's a tax on a tax. I got a horde of Tulammo I've never touched just because of that. That and that horde of Russian 7.62x39mm is my SHTF supply, but I digress.

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

That and that horde of Russian 7.62x39mm is my SHTF supply, but I digress.

same. my small stash of russian 5.45 is my shtf supply. there just isnt any commercially available 5.45 (when you can even find it) which comes close to the russian military stuff. in the long run, i think i just need to finally invest in a decent ar and a stash of good 5.56.

Fml I didn't get three Mosins at $99 each

got mine for $70. suck it.

It is. Dad has a P Series. It eats Winchester steel case like nothing. Most reliable gun I've ever shot.

that's pretty much what ive heard from basically everyone who has owned or shot one.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

B) Key tech is the photo-cathode that "amplifies" light. That thing is heavily restricted because it's a bunch of material science state secrets. Too much light will damage the tube by pushing the electrons past where they can return to zero.
C) Depends on generation of NVG and type.
There are a few types:
1) Light amplification (passive) - First gen, needs moonlight, bulky as fuck
1a) Active amplification has an infared (usually) or low intensity light shine around you.
2) Out of Band near IR - Heavily restricted, great for defensive duty/counter sniper (Very little reflection in other NVG)
3) Digital - power intesinve and feedback delay, cheap and heavy as fuck.
4) Thermal - Mainly firefighting use, GL getting a high res one. Higher ones heavily restricted
5) Fusion - Thermal + image amp. If you find high quality in the civilian world expect FBI to knock your door. Chinese ones better than the US ones in certain aspects

Image intensification is for NVGs / monocles and thermal is for sights if I remember correctly. The NVG let's you move around at night, is lighter and less battery intensive while the thermal can be clipped into an existing sight or be it's own sight you use 24/7.

Shortwave IR is the best big thing big it's still in the prototype phases. Imagine IR with even better resolution.

Fusion is REALLY neat but retardedly expensive. I THINK one thermal scope maker has a civilian model but it's something like $10,000+ and is pretty big

The Army's new monocle/clip on NV sight (PQS-20) is actually a thermal fusion BUT its bulkier and heavier than the one it's supplanting (the PVS-14)

https://youtu.be/qk1Rj6XPZZQ?si=Wr4n_z-SjfjKSISV

Gen 3 and later: filmless>thin film> thick film but also more expensive. White phosporus > Green phosphorus.
If you legally aquire current cutting edge tubes.... I think only the US can make some in excess of 40k hours expect to be on several watchlists

I think "Gen 4 / Gen 3+" image intensification tubs came out in the late 2000s and are basically even better but they're still VERY expensive for the feds and absolutely unattainable (legally) for normies.

MIM, investment casting, forging (since you finish machine pretty much all the parts), and billet, are all technologies that have their place. one is not inherently better than the other - it depends on the work piece and intended function as well as execution. not understanding this often results in poor performance and unhappy customers, not to mention is somewhat stagnating for machined products. we've migrated away from body on frame vehicle designs for typical commuter passenger vehicles for a good reason.

Exactly. If you gave JMB or Bill Ruger or Eugene Stoner or Michael Kalashnikov access to a 2024 modern machine shop and production lines and materials... Oh my God

I'll say that BoF vehicles absolutely have their place and are more rare than they should be, especially smaller ones/cars

Prices for a good conditioned Stgw. 57 start from 450 bucks over there. And some beaters with shot out barrels but still functioning, around 250 dollars. And this was just from one website I looked into, so maybe it's less than that. But that's a ballpark.

Literally shaking and crying rn.... $450 for a good Stgw 57

I'm going to be meeting some Swiss guys in November.... I wonder if I can get them to bring me a parts kit... Hmmmm

 

[Foley]

Literally shaking and crying rn.... $450 for a good Stgw 57

I don't know what the standards for "condition 1" or "condition 2" are, but here for an example. Prices in Swiss francs (1 CHF = 1.17 USD so for an example the first rifle is $375)

https://shop.aats-group.ch/shop/items

https://shop.aats-group.ch/shop/item/occasion-selbstladebuchse-sig-stgw57-7-5x55-gp11-zustand-xx-a323665

 

[WelperHelper99]

same. my small stash of russian 5.45 is my shtf supply. there just isnt any commercially available 5.45 (when you can even find it) which comes close to the russian military stuff. in the long run, i think i just need to finally invest in a decent ar and a stash of good 5.56.

I don't know how you survive in this market lol. Haven't seen 5.45 on a shelf in a long time. I can at least get 7.62x39mm. Doubt prices online are great. Yeah a 5.56 would be better at this point.

 

[Troon_Patrol]

I'm really late to the party on this one but a good American made combat pistol? You're gonna pay out the ass but the 2011 has a special place in my heart. Probably cause I built mine from scratch in 10mm/.40 but a good made 2011 will never be quite as reliable as the Glock made in Smyrna Georgia.

My only real recommendation is to make sure your gun can be milled in the first place. Not all guns have the internal geometry to support a slide cut. things like strikers/extractor roll pins can get in the way, and if you care about backup irons, you might not have any space for one at all.
Otherwise, just do your homework on whoever you're sending a slide to. Bubba's machine shop is often cheaper for a reason; make sure you know why before sending in your pistol. If it's a gun you care about, spend the money on the more expensive guy.

Fun fact: everyone hates the colt model 80 for it's fagtastical overly complicated firing assembly promoting safety for a problem that never really existed but, did you know it's extra parts prevents slide milling for a nice flat plain for a Holosun?

i have finally seen the light. friendship with 9mm AR over. MP5 is new best friend

But, it won't take strait Glock mags or have the LRBHO? Did you have a nice delayed blowback AR or a strait blowback recoil "thumping jumping" AR?

Test drive the CMMG radial relayed system, it stops that weird "hammer effect" of a 9mm bolt slamming back with no rollers or lugs, it does great for PCC cans. The extra dwell time you can hear (or more like can't hear) at least in my opinion. Even the old German MP40 you can see burning powder flying out the chamber in slowmo modern day videos. MP40 was a great gun for something designed so long ago, 9mm was always just a little too hot for strait BB imho. While I'm ranting here why in the fuck did the Germans send their general infantry out there will bolt guns? The same shit they used last war? Meanwhile they had the MP40/MG34 and late late the sturmgewer 44. Imagine fighting as rifleman with a Bolt action Mauser shooting it out 25-50 yards away against some GI pumping out 2 rounds a second at you with his M1 Garand. Fuck that shit.

 

[Friedrich Hayek's Ghost]

While I'm ranting here why in the fuck did the Germans send their general infantry out there will bolt guns?

You fight with the guns you have. The MP40 and MG34 are special-purpose guns not suited to the average rifleman. The STG-44 might have helped, but Germany's industrial base was good and fucked by the time the design was finished. Hitler also personally did not want that gun completed, for some reason.

 

[EggImpregnator]

AKs make no sense to buy in the current year. Any gun in 5.45 is irrelevant. So it comes down to 762x39 vs 556. 556 is lighter, cheaper, shoots flatter, is available at more gun store, is used by more people. 556 is really the only cartridge I'd buy an AK in today. But you look at a decent 556 AK vs a midrange AR and its just like "why bother?". The AR will give you more performance at a lower price, with something that's easier to get accessories on and to work on.

So I'd have to be REALLY in love with the AK to want one in the first place, and even then I'd have to get one in 556 to make any sort of sense.

 

[Foley]

While I'm ranting here why in the fuck did the Germans send their general infantry out there will bolt guns? The same shit they used last war? Meanwhile they had the MP40/MG34 and late late the sturmgewer 44. Imagine fighting as rifleman with a Bolt action Mauser shooting it out 25-50 yards away against some GI pumping out 2 rounds a second at you with his M1 Garand. Fuck that shit.

They should've stuck with the bolt actions until the end of the war TBH, instead of wasting resources on the STG-44. Yeah, it sucks for the individual soldier to be outgunned by an enemy with a selfloader or a SMG, but it has been like 160 years since the outcome of a war was decided by individual service rifle superiority (Prussians vs Austrians 1866). It's not all that different in Ukraine right now. Probably sucks for either side to go against enemy SOF units who are fully night fighting capable while you are stuck with a basic AK with iron sights and not even a white light. But what actually matters in the grand scale of things is artillery and mechanized units. Don't get me wrong, we should absolutely try to equip individual soldiers as best we can. Improve across the board. But with pre-war Germany (and especially during war) those resources were better spent elsewhere. When it comes to small arms, just build more GPMGs.

The Germans did experiment with selfloaders between the world wars, it just wasn't seen as a priority. And they made the right call on that. They didn't lose because they had bolt-actions.

 

[Akran]

AKs make no sense to buy in the current year. Any gun in 5.45 is irrelevant. So it comes down to 762x39 vs 556. 556 is lighter, cheaper, shoots flatter, is available at more gun store, is used by more people. 556 is really the only cartridge I'd buy an AK in today. But you look at a decent 556 AK vs a midrange AR and its just like "why bother?". The AR will give you more performance at a lower price, with something that's easier to get accessories on and to work on.

So I'd have to be REALLY in love with the AK to want one in the first place, and even then I'd have to get one in 556 to make any sort of sense.

Some what agreed, I only want a m92 to throw a "groza" kit on it. I ended up finding some Tula ammo for .45c a round which is meh. I have a romanian AKM and full auto AMD65. I've always wanted a 5.45 but since the import ban I've held off hard. If I find a rifle for a great price (good luck) then I'll buy one but they are too much currently. I don't know how to feel about the 5.56 AKs because I don't own one nor have I shot one. My biggest ammo gripe currently is 7.62x51mm, for all the kiwis considering a full auto MG3 have fun blowing $200 in about 3 minutes per range outing. I mainly use my semi MG42 now in 8mm, even ammo costs for that is shit. A friend of mine gave me a few boxes of his 1939 greek ammo which I've only shot 15 rounds of so far. Of the 15 I got two light primer strikes compared to maybe 2 every 50 rounds with Romanian steel 8mm.

 

[Samhain]

556 is really the only cartridge I'd buy an AK in today.

I don't see the point. 5.56 was meant for ARs. The AR platform is superior to the AK platform. I'm sure I should add "in my opinion" to that statement, but I'd rather open that can of worms and dump it all over the ground. I could definitely see the appeal of AKs and 7.62x39 back when you could get a decent AK and ammo for it for dirt cheap, but that ship has sailed.

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

id like to take a moment to defend the 7.26x39. when it comes to most situations for the average person i think it is a good round. in fact for home defense and urban areas i'd like it more than a 5.56 based solely on the nigger stopping power of it compared to 5.56. if you shoot an uppity nig-nog with 7.62 you know he is going down and staying down. i recall from reading the black hawk down book how a some of the rangers and delta forces guys complained that the somalis wouldnt always drop when hit by 5.56.

sure, for long range or rapid fire shooting and for carrying ammo due to the lower weight, the 5.56 is better. but the thing is:
when it comes to accuracy, is the average person going to shoot at distances and have the skills needed for it to really matter from practical standpoint?
when it comes to rapid fire, the same applies, it is a skill that the average shooter doesnt have.


now this is assuming the rounds and guns firing them are available in similar quantities and price. if you are going price and availability in the us, then 5.56 is the clear winner.

 

[wopirish]

They should've stuck with the bolt actions until the end of the war TBH, instead of wasting resources on the STG-44. Yeah, it sucks for the individual soldier to be outgunned by an enemy with a selfloader or a SMG, but it has been like 160 years since the outcome of a war was decided by individual service rifle superiority (Prussians vs Austrians 1866). It's not all that different in Ukraine right now. Probably sucks for either side to go against enemy SOF units who are fully night fighting capable while you are stuck with a basic AK with iron sights and not even a white light. But what actually matters in the grand scale of things is artillery and mechanized units. Don't get me wrong, we should absolutely try to equip individual soldiers as best we can. Improve across the board. But with pre-war Germany (and especially during war) those resources were better spent elsewhere. When it comes to small arms, just build more GPMGs.

The Germans did experiment with selfloaders between the world wars, it just wasn't seen as a priority. And they made the right call on that. They didn't lose because they had bolt-actions.

There was the whole debacle around the g41 where they wanted it to be both semi-auto and a backup bolt action. Which is so absurd in hindsight that it definitely hindered any speedy advancement on that front.

• no holes were to be bored into the barrel for tapping gas for the loading mechanism;
• the rifles were not to have any moving parts on the surface;
• and in case the auto-loading mechanism failed, a bolt action was to be included.

I mean, the G41w later becoming the g43 only existed by ignoring two of these very dumb requirements. But it still had the weird gas system at the muzzle.

This is a g41 (mauser)....which yeaaaa.

 

[EggImpregnator]

id like to take a moment to defend the 7.26x39. when it comes to most situations for the average person i think it is a good round. in fact for home defense and urban areas i'd like it more than a 5.56 based solely on the nigger stopping power of it compared to 5.56. if you shoot an uppity nig-nog with 7.62 you know he is going down and staying down. i recall from reading the black hawk down book how a some of the rangers and delta forces guys complained that the somalis wouldnt always drop when hit by 5.56.

5.56 (especially out of a 20" barrel) is way more devastating of a round that 7.62x39. It doesn't matter what kind of somalian bathtub meth those niggers were on in Mogadishu, if they got hit with a 5.56 round center mass out of an m16a2, they went down. I'd be willing to bet the 556 suffers from the same problem 30 carbine did in Korea - soldiers just missed their target and blamed the gun instead of their own marksmanship. You had guys claiming 30 carbine was so weak it would bounce off of thick chinese winter coats. We know with hindsight these accoounts were most patently false, and a result of prideful men not wanting to look like a bad shot.

To save myself from typing out a very long and tedious message on why 5.56 has way better terminal ballistics, I'll link you this article and some images of 5.56 wound vs a 762x39 wound.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200916031439/https://sofrep.com/news/why-id-rather-be-shot-by-an-ak47-than-an-m4/

Spoiler: 556 wound

Spoiler: 762x39 wound

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[Falcos_Commisar]

There was the whole debacle around the g41 where they wanted it to be both semi-auto and a backup bolt action. Which is so absurd in hindsight that it definitely hindered any speedy advancement on that front.

• no holes were to be bored into the barrel for tapping gas for the loading mechanism;
• the rifles were not to have any moving parts on the surface;
• and in case the auto-loading mechanism failed, a bolt action was to be included.

I mean, the G41w later becoming the g43 only existed by ignoring two of these very dumb requirements. But it still had the weird gas system at the muzzle.

This is a g41 (mauser)....which yeaaaa.
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Remember kids, Italy and Japan were THIS close to mass issuing semi automatic rifles before WW2 kicked off.

Japan was probably going to use a Toggle lock and Italy was using a short recoil action

https://youtu.be/sZ9IACssv2Y?si=eMK0jla8FzPqgJ-C

Italy was making a lot of neat semi auto prototypes in the 1930s

https://youtu.be/GE4r9qG6on0?si=Da_qIh8GQ-MfHza8

 

[Samhain]

Something to keep an eye on.

(Source)

 

[The Dude]

You fight with the guns you have. The MP40 and MG34 are special-purpose guns not suited to the average rifleman. The STG-44 might have helped, but Germany's industrial base was good and fucked by the time the design was finished. Hitler also personally did not want that gun completed, for some reason.

Hitler was a WWI soldier and had romanticized ideas of what a soldier should be. He didn't understand that the whole battlefield was changing forever, even as it had changed right before his eyes due in part to the new tactics that were being solidified by his own troops. So he believed that riflemen should be armed with long range rifles chambered for full rifle cartridges like 8mm Mauser, even though typical engagement ranges for small arms had shrunk down to 200 meters or less where having a long, heavy rifle with low ammunition capacity and heavy recoil was more of a hindrance than a blessing. It took having his generals on the Eastern Front demanding more MP-43/MP-44s because they were more effective than the Kar98s and GeW43/Kar43s for the kind of fighting they were doing. That's what finally brought Hitler around to approving the Stg-44.

 

[POWER IN MISERY]

Test drive the CMMG radial relayed system, it stops that weird "hammer effect" of a 9mm bolt slamming back with no rollers or lugs, it does great for PCC cans. The extra dwell time you can hear (or more like can't hear) at least in my opinion. Even the old German MP40 you can see burning powder flying out the chamber in slowmo modern day videos. MP40 was a great gun for something designed so long ago, 9mm was always just a little too hot for strait BB imho.

Have you shot a delayed blowback 9mm AR? You get the recoil impulse of the MP5 in an AR format.

i haven't had the pleasure. CMMG banshees are very attractive and would have probably been the more practical choice. on the other hand the MP5 has always been up there on cool gun mt. olympus and i've wanted one since i was a shitty kid so the century AP5 it was. the difference between that and the old basic blowback AR9 is palpable.