Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Foley]

The AK is more reliable

The AK is not as reliable as the lore says. The AR is not as unreliable as the Vietnam lore tells you. The AR is a perfectly reliable military rifle, otherwise it would not be adopted all the time (whereas the AK is slowly drifting away aside from Russia).

doesn't have the world's worst charging handle

It is pretty unergonomic, yes. Then again, you only need to rack it once, and the reciprocating charging handle of an AK is far from ideal as well. Especially considering most users are right-handed. The AR configuration keeps the gun more protected from outside elements, as there is no big slot on the side where the handle has to move

doesn't have a stupid useless forward assist button thats more likely to do harm than good

It does. It's called the charging handle. Used to bat a cartridge into battery a few times during my service ("oh but how can you do that, the AK is so reliable!") I don't really know how useful or useless the FA is on an AR, but the fact that 95% (or even more) guns are being made with the FA in it (especially military ones) tells me that even if it's not that useful, doesn't hurt to have it there.

doesn't have a spring in a tube in the stock that you can hear when you fire

Seems like a non-issue to me

the performance difference between 7.62 and 5.56 is not quite as you described

7.62x39 is good for one thing: shooting suppressed. 5.56 is easier to shoot (flatter, faster, softer recoil), lighter, cheaper to make, more universal around the world today, kills humans just as well etc.

There is a good reason that the AK basically not being adopted or made new anywhere around the world (apart from countries like Vietnam and some other third world countries) besides Russia, while the AR is constantly getting adopted in different configurations. The 7.62x39 is going away, even the Russians got rid of it as their main service cartridge 50 years ago.

This might sound like a hate post on AK, not the case. They are fun guns, and I had good memories from my service with one. Pretty reliable, and accurate (well, talking about a Finnish RK-62 with Lapua ammo here). But they are not on par with the AR or other modern assault rifles of this current day. Ergonomics are pre-WW2, and manufacturing is WW2 tech.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

doesn't have a spring in a tube in the stock that you can hear when you fire, and the performance difference between 7.62 and 5.56 is not quite as you described. Yes, 5.56 is lighter and flatter, but lighter isnt always better and at practical combat distances there isnt enough extra flatness to matter. There are also little quality of life things like 7.62 being more pleasant to handle and load than 5.56.

Uhh NO

The buffer tube spring noise is a literal non issue.

AKs rattle like shit when they're fired.

Lighter is sure a shit better when you're carrying and shooting it... Aka real life choices.

The 5.56mm round is also a solid 15 years newer in terms of development than the 7.62x39mm.

The AK is a SHIT platform to mount optics to, it's rather heavy and is NOT friendly to being made ambidextrous. The sight radius is not great and can't really be improved without a serious redesign.

Russia and the Israelis have probably maxed out the AK platform with the Galil ACE and AK-12 respectively and the next Russian combat rifle will probably be a hybrid AK/AR type design (think upper and lower held together with takedown pins)

Look, I LOVE me some long stroke Gas piston action but it's 2024.... There are better ways to go about it than a mid to late 1940s design.

Note, I love AKs and want at least one more (all of mine will be 7.62x39)

 

[Foley]

Russia and the Israelis have probably maxed out the AK platform with the Galil ACE and AK-12 respectively and the next Russian combat rifle will probably be a hybrid AK/AR type design (think upper and lower held together with takedown pins)

The AK-12 seems like a giant piece of shit, at least the first iterations of it. Plenty of good ideas, but poorly executed and some dumbfound decisions like a 2-round burst, why?

What is the peak of AK evolution is actually the SIG-550 series. The insides of the gun are pretty much exactly like the AK, the manufacturing techniques with a stamped receiver are the same. But it's actually designed to be ergonomic, can actually be modernized to be on par with modern rifles today, and is made with Swiss quality.

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

The AK-12 seems like a giant piece of shit, at least the first iterations of it. Plenty of good ideas, but poorly executed and some dumbfound decisions like a 2-round burst, why?

What is the peak of AK evolution is actually the SIG-550 series. The insides of the gun are pretty much exactly like the AK, the manufacturing techniques with a stamped receiver are the same. But it's actually designed to be ergonomic, can actually be modernized to be on par with modern rifles today, and is made with Swiss quality.

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That is why Russia has had One big and one little revision to the AK-12 in the last 2 years.

The stock, grip and handguards were improved and the 2 round burst was dropped

The Sig-550 is it's predecessor, the 540 and all variants are pretty much the Rolex of AKs.

 

[FamicomGorby]

A 5.56 AK is like a 9mm 1911, heresy, and 5.45 was never good.

I have a 5.56 Krinkov AK I SBR'd. I just didn't feel like stocking 5.45 when it's basically the same as 5.56. Especially now that 5.45 is about the same price as 5.56. Still wanna get some 5.45 bakelite mags to complete the look, allegedly with the POD followers they can run 5.56 alright.

Also update to my pistol search, I decided to go with a CZ Shadow 2 Compact. Roughly the same size as a Hi-Power, grip angle is almost the same, and optic ready. I did have to drop SAO and factory threaded barrel from my list but I since it's a frame safety model I can just use in SA exclusively and I'll pick up a threaded barrel for it. Got an RMR mounted on it so I'll shoot it this weekend.

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

People love to invest their egos into tools, and then argue why their chosen tool is supposedly better.

What really matters is: are your skills and equipment up to the task of your supposed use case.

Skills > Gear.

Most people I’ve met that unprompted want to tell me why XYZ is so much better don’t have a high level of skill.

 

[Preacher ✝]

People love to invest their egos into tools, and then argue why their chosen tool is supposedly better.

What really matters is: are your skills and equipment up to the task of your supposed use case.

Skills > Gear.

Most people I’ve met that unprompted want to tell me why XYZ is so much better don’t have a high level of skill.

We're just having fun with some gun banter, no need to get judgmental.

 

[Neo-Nazi Rich Evans]

the AK is a SHIT platform to mount optics to,

nah man. it might not be as good as the ar, but i have a red dot with a mag on mine and i had no problem attaching it. you literally just slide the side mounting rail onto the gun, lock it, then you have a picatiny rail for your optics. never once had any issue adding optics to my ak. if yours does have a side rail, that can be an issue, but otherwise, nah i never got anyone who tries to say how difficult it is to add optics to the ak.

 

[FamicomGorby]

nah man. it might not be as good as the ar, but i have a red dot with a mag on mine and i had no problem attaching it. you literally just slide the side mounting rail onto the gun, lock it, then you have a picatiny rail for your optics. never once had any issue adding optics to my ak. if yours does have a side rail, that can be an issue, but otherwise, nah i never got anyone who tries to say how difficult it is to add optics to the ak.

Any system that can mount an optic as big as the gun itself is fine by me.



I guess the only issue is it can't really keep a precise zero when you have to remove it to take it off for cleaning, but who does long range precision shooting with an AK?

 

[Foley]

nah man. it might not be as good as the ar, but i have a red dot with a mag on mine and i had no problem attaching it. you literally just slide the side mounting rail onto the gun, lock it, then you have a picatiny rail for your optics. never once had any issue adding optics to my ak. if yours does have a side rail, that can be an issue, but otherwise, nah i never got anyone who tries to say how difficult it is to add optics to the ak.

Compared to literally any other platform, it's a shit way of doing it. Needing an extra piece of kit to properly mount optics is not ideal. It adds weight, it adds bulk. It adds bore offset (because you want to be able to disassemble that rifle as well). No one is saying you can't make an AK functionally the same as an AR with optics and accessories. It's just a bigger pain in the ass to do it, thus shit.

 

[BohrokSwarms]

Alright everybody, I have an idea. Imagine an armored car intended for crowd control, and one of it’s armaments is a shotgun. What would be a suitable shotgun for this purpose?

 

[POWER IN MISERY]

Alright everybody, I have an idea. Imagine an armored car intended for crowd control, and one of it’s armaments is a shotgun. What would be a suitable shotgun for this purpose?

punt gun loaded with bouncy balls

 

[Pretend To Imagine]

Alright everybody, I have an idea. Imagine an armored car intended for crowd control, and one of it’s armaments is a shotgun. What would be a suitable shotgun for this purpose?

Cobray Terminator

 

[Falcos_Commisar]

Also update to my pistol search, I decided to go with a CZ Shadow 2 Compact. Roughly the same size as a Hi-Power, grip angle is almost the same, and optic ready. I did have to drop SAO and factory threaded barrel from my list but I since it's a frame safety model I can just use in SA exclusively and I'll pick up a threaded barrel for it. Got an RMR mounted on it so I'll shoot it this weekend.

Hell yeah that is a NICE handgun

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

I might as well bend over and pull my pants down so i can raped to death".

Bro you're already getting raped to death buying 7.62 these days.

For home defense I'd get the most Gucci hunting or defense ammo I can get and use that, since blowing 5 bucks at a nig is the least of your concerns. Comparing X39 to 5.56 is all fine and good, but it's always with FMJs or whatever, never ammo that you'd actually use in your house or in SHTF if you could help it. You can get defense or hunting 762, but the 5.56 has more and better options.

@Foley what makes 762 a better suppressor host? It basically is like a 70 y/o .300 BLK but with less bullet choices.
I thought that the smaller diameter the better, as that lets less gas or noise out of the can, why shotgun cans aren't very impressive

 

[Foley]

@Foley what makes 762 a better suppressor host? It basically is like a 70 y/o .300 BLK but with less bullet choices.
I thought that the smaller diameter the better, as that lets less gas or noise out of the can, why shotgun cans aren't very impressive

Because there is actually subsonic 7.62x39 ammunition, can't do that with a high velocity 5.56 or 5.45. How relevant is this? Well, basically every SOF unit in the world still prefers the smaller caliber.

.300 BLK is probably the better cartridge technically, but I was kinda looking at it from 7.62x39 vs 5.56 angle.

 

[BikeLock]

Fun fact: everyone hates the colt model 80 for it's fagtastical overly complicated firing assembly promoting safety for a problem that never really existed but, did you know it's extra parts prevents slide milling for a nice flat plain for a Holosun?

It's literally three parts you dumb nigger. Plunger, plunger spring, and actuator.

Pretty much the standard FPS setup found on any proper carry gun (Which excludes every single 1911 that lacks one, lul).

The 1911 is the original "drop and pop" gun.

Edit:

Pro Tip: A stronger spring and titanium does NOT make the 1911 drop safe, it only increases the height from which you can drop it. 1911's dropped on their muzzel go bang without a firing pin safety, no hammer drop required.

 

[Preacher ✝]

It's literally three parts you dumb nigger. Plunger, plunger spring, and actuator.

Pretty much the standard FPS setup found on any proper carry gun (Which excludes every single 1911 that lacks one, lul).

The 1911 is the original "drop and pop" gun.

Edit:

Pro Tip: A stronger spring and titanium does NOT make the 1911 drop safe, it only increases the height from which you can drop it. 1911's dropped on their muzzel go bang without a firing pin safety, no hammer drop required.

Look at this retard defending ruining a trigger because he's got butterfingers.

Suffer series 80 fag, suffer.

 

[The Dude]

Going back to this ruling on machine guns: damn, if we could at least get the Hughes Amendment overturned to open up the registry to new F/A, I really want an M1A1 Thompson and one of those Knights Armament AMGs, those long recoil belt-fed machine guns that have really low felt recoil. I'd probably also get my AUG A3 converted, a modern SMG of some kind, and an F/A .22lr like the American 180 or a 10/22 with a select fire trigger pack. I really do hope this leads to something good happening, but I'm not going to get my hopes up.

 

[Preacher ✝]

Especially considering most users are right-handed.

t's rather heavy and is NOT friendly to being made ambidextrous.

Don't be weak or left handed.

the Rolex of AKs.

A farcical concept, the glory of the AK is it's rugged simplicity. That's why the design peaked with the Yugo AKM and why the modernized AK12 is dogshit.