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Probably because they know it's a total piece of shit, and that's really saying something for something George/KelTec designed.
I've shot Interdynamic KG-99s which is the same gun but built by non-retards and they ran just fine. Intratec's problems were the guns were built like shit and used low quality parts (and the 50-round magazines...NOBODY could make those work). The design itself is unremarkable, really - it's just a tube steel submachine gun with a polymer lower, hastily converted to closed bolt semiauto to make it legal. If a competent company built TEC-9s nobody would complain about them being pieces of shit.

However, with my experience having shot the Interdynamic version, there's a good reason nobody bothers making them today. They're fucking massive, you don't really know how big they are until you get your hands on one imo, unwieldy, and impractical for anything but looking cool. That's a problem its competitors shared, like the Kimel AP-9 (never shot one but handled one at a gun show and it's just as huge) and others. I'm willing to bet just about any of the "let's make a submachine gun into a US-legal pistol" types out there have the same problems.
 
I think it's a good service pistol and if one views it from that perspective they'll likely agree.
because it's a metal frame da/sa double stack semi auto? every wonder 9 is a 'good service pistol' because they're all based on the same design principles that came into fashion around 1975. but its 2025 and the last generation of wonder 9s came out like 30 years ago. they are not hollistically bad firearms, but out of all of the wonder 9's the p226 is, to me, most similar to the ruger p89. which would be fine but i've never seen one for less than like $800, and you could probably get two functionally equivalent alternatives for that price. you can buy like four ruger p89's for that price. you could be dual wielding
 
However, with my experience having shot the Interdynamic version, there's a good reason nobody bothers making them today.
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I'm not saying that KelTec has to bring us exactly this, but a Tec-9 with a place for a pistol brace would work nicely.
 
I do like the idea of 10mm for a PCC, especially if it's loaded with full power rounds. For a little foldy boi that can be a companion for road trips or small pest control on a farm/ranch I could see it being better than even an SBR.
 
[SIZE=7] Among Us Gaming's Guide to Stubborn Screw Removal[ /SIZE]

Introduction

For any of us who work on older guns, or guns that have seen a lot of service and not a lot of love, screws that don't want to come out are an ever-present problem. I see many discussions had on the topic, but very rarely does anyone know the full gamut of stuck screw removal. Few seem to know that there are many other options besides oil, heat, and pressure. While some of these methods may not be the most simple, and can cause damage if you're not careful, 99 times out of 100, one of them, or a combination thereof will remove that stubborn fastener. As we say in the mechanic industry: "out is out."

Preliminaries
Some things before I begin. These methods are not necessarily listed in a specific order, though they are listed in a gradual climb of time, effort, and resources needed, as well as the level of invasiveness of the procedure. It is important to remember as well, that caution and finesse must be used when applying heat, especially on places like receivers, bolts, and falling blocks that are heat treated. In all cases, finesse must be used at all times. It takes very little for a screwdriver to slip off the screw and gouge a stock. I also make no recommendations nor subscriptions to any particular tool described here. If brands are mentioned, it is because I personally use them and have familiarity thereof. Whenever the use of a screw-removing method or element is mentioned, it is said with the inherent application of immense downward force on the screw head. Furthermore, the later methods a said with the thought of oil and heat being used in conjunction with the given method. Additionally, this is a guide for rusted screws only. I have personally had great success with all the methods mentioned, and I have worked on some guns that were so rust that the trigger guards had portions of them completly rotted away. It is also important to remember that while tools can be replaced, 100 year old screws cannot. This is not to say that you cannot damage or destroy a screw when needed, but that it is better to sacrifice a tool than a screw.

Pre-removal Inspection Concerns
1. Make sure the screw is not staked, peened, locked, or has some other method of retention. You cannot remove these screws with any of the methods below without breaking them. Additionally, if you cannot replicate the screw on a lathe and perform the same mechanical retention to hold it afterwards, you do not need to be removing it. If it needs to be removed, take it to a qualified gunsmith to do it for you.
2. Make sure your stubborn screw is not under tension of any kind before you use any of the particularly invasive methods. A warped stock can put a lot of tension on a screw and make it refuse to come easily, and there is no reason to apply heat or excessive oil if that is the case.
3. Make sure the screw is indeed straight and with clean threads. If your screw is bent, there is a good chance it will not come out at all, and will have to be cut. Trying to remove a bent screw will damage the threads and scar up the surrounding area.
4. Make sure your screw does not posess any chemical retention, I.E. Loctite. If it has chemcial retention, heat is required on the area the threads are in, which will soften the chemical and allow for easier removal.

Methods
Of course, the first, and most simple and easy of methods is your generic home screwdriver. As long as the tip is not twisted and fits the slot well enough, you should not have any issues.
If that does not work
Move to a screwdriver with a tip that fits the slot very well in length and width. This is where you would want what is called a "Hollow Ground" screwdriver tip, which is a tip ground in such a way that it meets an exact scrwedriver slot dimmension. You can get screwdrivers like this, or what I reccommend is to get a screwdriver set with a bunch of hollow ground bits, as that allows you far more options.
If that does not work
Apply a penetrating oil of your choice, and allow to soak for an hour minimum, checking up on it every so often to add more if needed. I generally advise against WD40, as it is not actually a penetrating oil and other oils will serve you better. Be careful, as penetrating oils have rust dissolving properties, and if your gun is rust blued and you are not careful, you can strip off said blueing.
If that does not work
Then now it is the time for heat. ONLY USE PROPANE. You do not need MAP gas, or heaven forbid oxy acetylene. Do not hold the torch right against the metal, but hold it a few inches away. You only want to heat the work up enough that the oil begins to smoke. At this point, turn the torch off, and apply a penetrating oil. The idea is twofold. Firstly, the expansion and contraction of the metal from the heat will help break the rust. Second, it allows the spaces between the screw and whatever its holding to suck the oil in via capillary action. You may need to do this several times before it works and the screw comes out.
If that does not work
Get a 1/4" ratchet with a 1/4" socket, and put your bit in it. With this method you MUST make sure you are holding the rathcet paralell to the screwhead exactly. If you do not, you will cam out of the screwhead, and strip it further. The ratchet allows you far greater torque than you can acheive with a regular screwdriver. If you have a large enough vice, you can put both the tool and the gun in it, and clamp with mild pressure. This does 2 things: it keeps the work and tool parallel (and if it does not due to the geometry of the gun, you can shim the gun to be parallel), and provides an immovable force against the tool and gun, such that the screwdriver bit cannot cam out. This can lead to the bit snapping, or the screw head being wiped, but that is where finnesse comes in.
If that does not work.
You may want to try an impact driver. Tool note: an impact driver is an impacting tool that accepts bits as its primary tool. If your tool has a socket drive on it, that is an impact wrench and should not be used. I reccommend the impact driver hesitantly. In my experience they jump around too much to be consistently effective, and because of that have a tendency to damage surrounding metal and wood, and destroy screw slots. That said, I have found them to be useful on stubborn wood screws, and can reccommend them for that purpose.
If that does not work
Now is the time for a hand impact driver. Where the tool above is an electrically powered impacting gun, the hand impact functions in a different manner. It is a hand sized milled tube with a vertical cam and spring in it, with a drive end. When you hit the top if it with a hammer, the tube comes down, acting on the internal cam, and rotating the drive end. Though they mostly see used in the automotive industry for stuck brake rotor screws, I have had success with them on guns as well. To use one, first check that it will move in a loosening direction. Then insert the right sized bit, and postion it on top of the screw. Then apply mild pressure to turn the tool in the loosening direction, and hit the top with a hammer, softly at first, but harder if need be. Make sure that the gun is held very firmly in a vice, and that your mild pressure in the direction of lossening is firm. This way, when you hit the tool with a hammer, most of the applied torque is transferred into the screw, instead of rotating your hand or the gun
If that doesn't work
Then now is time for the air hammer. You of course, get your air hammer and neccesary equipment to run it. You then need to get an air hammer bit driver/socket adapter bit for it. Install that, and get your appropriate bit installed. Hold the gun very firmly in a vice, postion the airhammer assembly parallel, grab the adapter bit handle and pull it in the loosening direction, and apply a little trigger pressure, and more as needed, until the screw comes loose. Be exceedingly careful with this method, as you can very easily split screwheads, or peen screws into place if you're not careful. This method is highly effective, but should be a total last resort, as severe damage can be caused if you're not careful.
If that doesn't work
That's it. If none of these things have removed that screw, you've either done something wrong, or you will need to drill out that screw to remove it.

Thoughts and Advice
Stuck screws can be pretty ugly. The methods above are everything I've tried on some really nasty stuff (If you're considering one of the Ishapore .410 Enfields on centerfire systems or form Hunter's lodge, don't unless you want to go through all these steps), and they all brought success in one way or another. Hollow ground screwdriver bits really are a screw saver, and are absolutley worth the purchase. I use a set off brownells, but any gunsmith set will do generally. As for penetrating oil, I am a PB Blaster guy, as it seems to work very well, and is a heck of a lot cheaper than kroil, though kroil is still plenty good. If any questions are had feel free to ask.
 
I do like the idea of 10mm for a PCC, especially if it's loaded with full power rounds. For a little foldy boi that can be a companion for road trips or small pest control on a farm/ranch I could see it being better than even an SBR.

What’s your definition of small pests? In my mind that’s referring to stuff like foxes and raccoons that can be dealt with by a .22 Magnum.
 
You can get screwdrivers like this, or what I reccommend is to get a screwdriver set with a bunch of hollow ground bits, as that allows you far more options.
To add to this, if you're looking for such a set that is very self-contained and will work for 95% of screws you'll encounter, Klein makes a great 13-bit driver that can be had all day long for $20-30. Hollow-ground flathead bits and also covers Philips, torx and even square/Robertson bits - all packed into the butt.
 
What’s your definition of small pests? In my mind that’s referring to stuff like foxes and raccoons that can be dealt with by a .22 Magnum.
Those (although I very much dislike killing foxes and won't unless there's absolutely no alternative), coyotes, armadillos, and feral pigs. I recognize feral pigs aren't small pests but you get what I'm saying.

Speaking of .22 WMR, I wish I'd been smart enough to jump on some Marlin 883s and 983s in stainless when I saw them on the market back in the day. Heck, even one of their XT-22s in stainless with a tube mag would be fine. I'm a big fan of Marlin's microgroove barrels.
 
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Does anybody own one of these? Can someone explain to me what the hell "triple action" is or why you would want it over the double or single action this service handgun already has? I must have watched a dozen videos on this gun and while people soyjak over how good le triple action is, nobody can explain why it's such a good idea.... that literally no other pistol in existence has this triple action crap.
 
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Does anybody own one of these? Can someone explain to me what the hell "triple action" is or why you would want it over the double or single action this service handgun already has? I must have watched a dozen videos on this gun and while people soyjak over how good le triple action is, nobody can explain why it's such a good idea.... that literally no other pistol in existence has this triple action crap.
Interesting. So it just keeps the main spring compressed, but allows the hammer to be down safely. I guess the big upside is when you're issuing DA/SA guns to a lot of conscripts (South Korea, it's a Daewoo) it allows the hammer to be safe and down, but without the heavy long DA pull which a lot of shooters struggle with accuracy on. A best of both worlds supposedly. Interestingly a company still makes a gun doing this for retard prices

 
Does anybody own one of these?
i still have one when they were imported for a short time as surplus K5's in the 90's. good pistols. the triple action is functionally a trigger variation between a single action short travel that releases the hammer and double action long travel that both cocks and releases the hammer. there is a transfer lever that interacts with the hammer on a false sear shelf to keep the hammer spring compressed while allowing the trigger and hammer to fully travel forward while maintaining a relatively light trigger pull. it feels sort of like like a primitive DAK or LEM trigger in some ways and some people prefer a long travel with a lighter pull than a typical DAO, but also do not want a cocked hammer at all times.
 
its been a while kiwifrens, got the MR1 chopped down to proper RX4 storm specs.
 

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Does anybody own one of these? Can someone explain to me what the hell "triple action" is or why you would want it over the double or single action this service handgun already has? I must have watched a dozen videos on this gun and while people soyjak over how good le triple action is, nobody can explain why it's such a good idea.... that literally no other pistol in existence has this triple action crap.
Triple action, also known as fast action allows a lighter trigger pull weight of a single action trigger with the length of it as a double action trigger. It's where the hammer is cocked back, like in single-action mode, yet bumped forward in single action mode. Essentially it functions the same as having it in a decocker mode, and prevents troops from letting the hammer forward and NDing it when decocking it manually (a la the TT-33, 1911), as the previous ROK pistol in service is a M1911A1 and having similar problems of troops NDing into clearing barrels when decocking like the Americans.

More modern pistols with decockers took over, or that the original Daewoo pistols were not built with good quality control (some NRA publications claim that the accuracy is poor and many pistols have bad to even non-existant rifling).

In other militaries the Beretta 92 and the Sig 22X series pistols were higher quality and had better quality control, and Beretta would love to have licensed production or sell Italian and American pistols. South Korea wanted to make their own indigenous designs, and completely avoid having to deal with contracts, royalties, and fees associated with licensed production, they got burned by Colt in the domestic production of the M16A1 and Colt wanted steep and expensive fees and the Koreans didn't want to continue paying them.

Lionheart makes more modern triple-action pistols, initially made in Korea and now made in America. They are quite expensive though, but at least they don't share the QC issues as the legacy Daewoo ones.
 
I suppose I have a little bit more insight now: The gooks wanted to make something distinct just to not not owe Westerners money, whether or not the idea was good.

TO BE FAIR, this worked out pretty well with the K2. If I had to make a distinct indigenous designed service rifle using soviet ideas and colt machinery that was already purchased, the K2 would be a great thing to make, and it so happens to be a great rifle in its own right (for its time anyway).
its been a while kiwifrens, got the MR1 chopped down to proper RX4 storm specs.

Oh man. One of my first rifles was a Benelli MR1. I sort of wish I didn't sell it? But then again, I couldn't find accessories for it and for some reason mine just wouldn't zero properly.
Godspeed you weird wops. I wish you guys designed weird cool guns just to make weird cool guns again.
 
i still have one when they were imported for a short time as surplus K5's in the 90's. good pistols. the triple action is functionally a trigger variation between a single action short travel that releases the hammer and double action long travel that both cocks and releases the hammer. there is a transfer lever that interacts with the hammer on a false sear shelf to keep the hammer spring compressed while allowing the trigger and hammer to fully travel forward while maintaining a relatively light trigger pull. it feels sort of like like a primitive DAK or LEM trigger in some ways and some people prefer a long travel with a lighter pull than a typical DAO, but also do not want a cocked hammer at all times.

Back in the early Aughts FN had a variant of the High Power that had a similar system. Once cocked in single action the user could then push the hammer back towards the firing pin, but stop short of coming into contact with it and locking into position to prevent firing if dropped. When the user pulled the trigger it would move the hammer back like a double action, but the trigger pull was MUCH lighter due to the main spring already being under load. All the trigger pull was doing was moving the hammer itself and tripping the sere.
 
i still have one when they were imported for a short time as surplus K5's in the 90's. good pistols. the triple action is functionally a trigger variation between a single action short travel that releases the hammer and double action long travel that both cocks and releases the hammer. there is a transfer lever that interacts with the hammer on a false sear shelf to keep the hammer spring compressed while allowing the trigger and hammer to fully travel forward while maintaining a relatively light trigger pull. it feels sort of like like a primitive DAK or LEM trigger in some ways and some people prefer a long travel with a lighter pull than a typical DAO, but also do not want a cocked hammer at all times.

As an HK LEM trigger enjoyer, it sounds exactly like how the LEM trigger works. The hammer is in two pieces, with a cocking piece of sorts that holds the power of the mainspring back, engaged with a sear, allowing the rest of the hammer to go back at rest on the hammer latch. To fire the trigger bar moves the hammer back to the engagement point, at which time the cocking piece is released by the sear, driving the hammer into the firing pin.

It sounds more convoluted than it is.

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Why?
You can have an SA/DA, with the hammer down, and still have the trigger pull weight of the gun in SA.
Also an important note about these guns, they use and are fully compatible with Smith and Wesson 59 series magazines, so mags are available and affordable.
 
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