Microsoft hate thread - I just want to rant about Microsoft

[Mysterious Figure]

Windows 11 really annoys me after coming back from Linux. Every time I tell it to install a program, delete a program, or some other shit, it will pop up a window asking me if I want to do the thing I told it to do.

It won't ask for permission when there's a Windows update I didn't ask for, and it wants to install the update in the next 5 minutes, usually when I'm in the middle of installing a large game or watching a video online. Why can't Windows ask for permission for Windows updates when I'm in the middle of doing something? That's the perfect time!

 

[Slav Power]

Windows 11 really annoys me after coming back from Linux. Every time I tell it to install a program, delete a program, or some other shit, it will pop up a window asking me if I want to do the thing I told it to do.

It won't ask for permission when there's a Windows update I didn't ask for, and it wants to install the update in the next 5 minutes, usually when I'm in the middle of installing a large game or watching a video online. Why can't Windows ask for permission for Windows updates when I'm in the middle of doing something? That's the perfect time!

Imagine looking this deep into the GUI confirmation popups just to have a reason to seethe at Microsoft. Fun fact: GUI package managers on Linux will also show those confirmations, and Windows' CLI package manager, Winget, doesn't ask for thoe permissions at all.

Funny how there are so many valid reasons to shit on Microsoft and Windows 11, yet people always make a mountain out of a molehill just to get bitchy.

 

[Hellwalker]

Windows 11 really annoys me after coming back from Linux. Every time I tell it to install a program, delete a program, or some other shit, it will pop up a window asking me if I want to do the thing I told it to do.

Nigger...really? How the fuck do you let something like this rustle your jimmies? Complaining about having to take 1 second out of your day to confirm an action is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Back when I was on Linux Mint, I still remember having to confirm shit in a pop-up window just to do what I told it to do. Want to update packages through the Synaptic package manager? Enter your password. Want to enable/disable the firewall? Enter your password. Shit that didn't really need a password had me enter it just to do a simple action. This is not something exclusive to Windows.

 

[Nitro!]

I HATE THE MICROSOFT DEFAULT SYSTEM SOUNDS.

It has far too much base! It sounds like shit and when I'm trying to do delicate sound mixing the entire thing goes,
"Oh hey, you tried to change something? Oh! Okay!"
And I go, "Yes, I am, but you're supposed to shut the fuck up because I changed the system sounds to be at 0 volume."
And the computer goes, "Uh huh, well that doesn't stick- BWUUUUUM!"
like fuck off. the piece of audio program can't even load simple .wavs and it pretends to keep going for a clip that lasts like 00:01 but as it loads, the audio timer goes to 00:05 before it actually plays and it's such smoke and mirror shit programing that I'm disgusted.

Hate this shit. 100%. Error sounds now are emblematic of Microsoft's grab at your computer to be Our Computer Now, Bitch, Bend Over For More Updates.

For two decades they understood it's feedback for an "oops". Not a "oopsie doodle did a little fuckey wuckey bo-buckey duckey :))))))". Up to and including 7 it was a little plink that decays to inaudible in under a second. In 10 it's 4+ seconds.

Shut the fuck up!

 

[Slav Power]

This is not something exclusive to Windows.

But if it happens in Windows then you have to make it seem like it's the worst problem of the planet that only ever exists on Windows, and if you tell it how it is and say it's a retarded thing to complain about in an OS that has more grating issues like a downgraded context menu that you have to roll back with a registry tweak or a downgraded taskbar that you cannot roll back in any way, you'll get an ensemble of familiar faces in the post reaction list.

 

[Mysterious Figure]

Imagine looking this deep into the GUI confirmation popups just to have a reason to seethe at Microsoft. Fun fact: GUI package managers on Linux will also show those confirmations, and Windows' CLI package manager, Winget, doesn't ask for thoe permissions at all.

Funny how there are so many valid reasons to shit on Microsoft and Windows 11, yet people always make a mountain out of a molehill just to get bitchy.

Nigger...really? How the fuck do you let something like this rustle your jimmies? Complaining about having to take 1 second out of your day to confirm an action is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Back when I was on Linux Mint, I still remember having to confirm shit in a pop-up window just to do what I told it to do. Want to update packages through the Synaptic package manager? Enter your password. Want to enable/disable the firewall? Enter your password. Shit that didn't really need a password had me enter it just to do a simple action. This is not something exclusive to Windows.

This is the Microsoft hate thread. If you don't want to read about people getting mad at Windows, then get the fuck out of the thread.

SteamOS never asks for my permission when I tell it to do something. It just does it. Updates never interrupt me and force me to update, because they are just a notification on the bottom of the screen.

I still like Windows because it runs everything that doesn't run in Linux. I love how intuitive it is when I'm trying to figure out what to do. I just find the forced, interrupting updates annoying.

 

[Penis]

Hate this shit. 100%. Error sounds now are emblematic of Microsoft's grab at your computer to be Our Computer Now, Bitch, Bend Over For More Updates.

For two decades they understood it's feedback for an "oops". Not a "oopsie doodle did a little fuckey wuckey bo-buckey duckey :))))))". Up to and including 7 it was a little plink that decays to inaudible in under a second. In 10 it's 4+ seconds.

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Shut the fuck up!

100%. The Windows 10 sound was the worst. There is absolutely ZERO reason an error sound needs to be that fucking long.

I remember using excel at an old job of mine. That sound would ring constantly. I wound up going into the system settings and replacing it with a sound from an old video game. Kind of amazing to me people in the 90s understood system sound design so much better than today. The whole thing reeks of someone in middle management picking out a sound because they liked it, rather than paying attention to the context of which the sound would be played.

 

[Penis]

Nigger...really? How the fuck do you let something like this rustle your jimmies? Complaining about having to take 1 second out of your day to confirm an action is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Back when I was on Linux Mint, I still remember having to confirm shit in a pop-up window just to do what I told it to do. Want to update packages through the Synaptic package manager? Enter your password. Want to enable/disable the firewall? Enter your password. Shit that didn't really need a password had me enter it just to do a simple action. This is not something exclusive to Windows.

On Linux systems, a password prompt is required before performing updates, especially when those updates involve modifying the core system components like kernel files or essential utilities (e.g., /bin, /sbin directories). This precaution is crucial because altering these critical binaries can introduce significant security risks. Malicious actors could exploit vulnerabilities introduced during such changes to gain unauthorized access or control over the system. Requesting a password ensures that only authorized users with the appropriate privileges are able to make modifications that impact the fundamental operation and security of the system.

On Windows, the whole popup ritual serves a different purpose. Putting up a confirmation window without requesting a password won't do jack shit to prevent a malicious actor from installing malware. It does, however, alert the user that they will be installing software, giving them a chance to back out if that wasn't their intent.

 

[Hellwalker]

This is the Microsoft hate thread. If you don't want to read about people getting mad at Windows, then get the fuck out of the thread.

SteamOS never asks for my permission when I tell it to do something. It just does it. Updates never interrupt me and force me to update, because they are just a notification on the bottom of the screen.

I still like Windows because it runs everything that doesn't run in Linux. I love how intuitive it is when I'm trying to figure out what to do. I just find the forced, interrupting updates annoying.

On Linux systems, a password prompt is required before performing updates, especially when those updates involve modifying the core system components like kernel files or essential utilities (e.g., /bin, /sbin directories). This precaution is crucial because altering these critical binaries can introduce significant security risks. Malicious actors could exploit vulnerabilities introduced during such changes to gain unauthorized access or control over the system. Requesting a password ensures that only authorized users with the appropriate privileges are able to make modifications that impact the fundamental operation and security of the system.

On Windows, the whole popup ritual serves a different purpose. Putting up a confirmation window without requesting a password won't do jack shit to prevent a malicious actor from installing malware. It does, however, alert the user that they will be installing software, giving them a chance to back out if that wasn't their intent.

I said it to make the point that it really isn't a win for Linux. Saying that you can't handle just confirming an action makes you seem lazy and whiny, and something so dumb being something that "really annoys" you? That's just a fucking stupid criticism, if you can even call it a crititcism. This is a non-issue.

I can't recall situations similar to it on Linux Mint, since it's been a while since I ran it, but I gurantee you that I ran into retarded confirmation prompts whenever I wanted to do something simple.

 

[ZMOT]

I gurantee you that I ran into retarded confirmation prompts whenever I wanted to do something simple.

doubtful. since that would mean involving root permissions which are system critical, so hardly "simple".

EDIT: besides, there IS a a simple fix: run everything as root, just like windows runs everything as administrator. now compare where you still get access prompts and where you don't (hint: linux because you're allowed to do everything).

 

[Linksys WRT]

I specifically have a love/hate relationship with Active Directory. It exemplifies my biggest problem with Microsoft in general, which is that it is a monolith for lots of things. AD is pretty much the de facto standard for directory services.

Because it is used everywhere, I spend a lot of time finding various issues with AD. You can make some really serious fuck-ups in it, and if I were the one cleaning them up, I'd probably go insane. There's always something wrong with it, whether it's human error or some big vulnerability that exposes thousands of systems. It's always something, and these issues are exacerbated because it's such a monolith. Everyone is affected.

The little annoyances are frustrating, but the big picture hurts me on a spiritual level.

Also, these goddamn Indians need to stop putting all the authenticated domain users in the local admins group. I should not be able to log into your virtual desktop infrastructure.
Edit:Spelling

 

[Penis]

Also, these goddamn Indians need to stop putting all the authenticated domain users in the local admins group. I should not be able to log into your virtual desktop infrastructure.
Edit:Spelling

How Indians got a reputation as a demographic savvy with computers is beyond me. Working in the field has completely shattered that illusion for me.

They are VERY skilled at stealing credit from other people, however.

 

[Linksys WRT]

How Indians got a reputation as a demographic savvy with computers is beyond me. Working in the field has completely shattered that illusion for me.

They are VERY skilled at stealing credit from other people, however.

Do not start with me. I can rant about Indians in technology all day. You would not believe how bad the quality of work goes down with Indians. I've found really dumb shit like passwords in transit in plaintext that I sniffed. They even had a functional HTTPS certificate on the box they were querying. It's absurd how bad they are.

Indians let loose with Microsoft's shit is like asking for trouble. I once found that some retard jeet added his user account to domain admin, and then I found his password in base64 in their Gitlab. Easiest domain admin I've ever gotten.

 

[Overly Serious]

Windows 11 really annoys me after coming back from Linux. Every time I tell it to install a program, delete a program, or some other shit, it will pop up a window asking me if I want to do the thing I told it to do.

It won't ask for permission when there's a Windows update I didn't ask for, and it wants to install the update in the next 5 minutes, usually when I'm in the middle of installing a large game or watching a video online. Why can't Windows ask for permission for Windows updates when I'm in the middle of doing something? That's the perfect time!

As someone who is Bi-OS, I have decades of extensive comparative experience. And I think you might be mad. Of all the things you could pick on to compare Windows negatively against Linux, you single out one of the ways it's better. Using most Linux systems, the updates come down every single day, and every time I'm asked to type in my (quite long) password. I'm asked to do it for all sorts of non-update reasons as well. Do something? Password box. Do something else? Password box. And not in-frequent use of the root account. I say Xubuntu but any of them really.

Windows? Updates are bundled, come on predictable release days, authenticated via Microsoft and it will intelligently schedule its updates around my typical usage patterns if I let it (I don't). It can fucking wake itself from sleep at 3am to perform the updates if you just leave everything by default. And when something requires "Administrator access" due to an action on my part, I just confirm with a click of the mouse that I actually did ask for this.

I don't see how you can have found Linux better than this unless you were running your entire system as root!

 

[Mysterious Figure]

And I think you might be mad.

Why is being mad wrong? This is the Microsoft hate thread.

Windows? Updates are bundled, come on predictable release days, authenticated via Microsoft and it will intelligently schedule its updates around my typical usage patterns if I let it (I don't).

Windows updates always come up right when I'm in the middle of downloading games and watching videos. If I don't immediately schedule them for later, they will start downloading and restart my computer.

Using most Linux systems, the updates come down every single day, and every time I'm asked to type in my (quite long) password. I'm asked to do it for all sorts of non-update reasons as well. Do something? Password box. Do something else? Password box. And not in-frequent use of the root account. I say Xubuntu but any of them really.

This doesn't happen on SteamOS.

 

[Overly Serious]

Why is being mad wrong? This is the Microsoft hate thread.

Mad as in delusional, not angry.

Windows updates always come up right when I'm in the middle of downloading games and watching videos. If I don't immediately schedule them for later, they will start downloading and restart my computer.

What version of Windows are you on? And have you meddled with the defaults? Out of the box should be the following:

• "Get the latest updates as soon as they're available" (in settings), set to Off, meaning you're only getting fully released updates according to roll-out schedule.
• "Pause Updates" will be off by default but you can under settings set it to postpone updates for up to five weeks at any time.
• Advanced Options should have:
  • "Get me up to date" (restart as soon as possible, even during active hours) set to off. This is a major one. So long as this is off it should be respecting your Active Hours
  • "Active Hours". I don't recall what the default is but you can set it manually to whatever you like. I think if you don't it works out based on usage.

And in addition to all that, MS have a release schedule for updates:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/deployment/update/release-cycle

Normally that's the second Tuesday of every month and they will do Out of Band releases for urgent stuff, or if you've opted in to Insider. Most out of band stuff wont force an update.

Basically, I don't see how Windows is "always updating" when you're in the middle of something and even if you are, you can easily just postpone most updates. As opposed to most of my Linux systems that are throwing updates to everything all the time. They seem to consider this a good thing, btw.

I get this is the Microsoft Hate thread not the Microsoft Can Do No Wrong thread, but honestly what you have chosen to pick on is baffling to me.

This doesn't happen on SteamOS.

Not used it.

 

[the rat]

Putting up a confirmation window without requesting a password won't do jack shit to prevent a malicious actor from installing malware

I'm a bit tired so I might be getting what you're saying very wrong but if you mean how any user could merely bypass that due to only requiring you to press yes/no then I should mention this:

Windows has three types of local user accounts for you to use: Guest, Standard and Administrator. Standard users by default require a password from an Administrator account on the UAC prompt (all programs ran under all users are ran using standard user access tokens where UAC elevation asks you for the credentials of an Administrator account to receive their access token, when you sign in as an Administrator Windows will also store the Administrator access token for that session so you wouldn't need to bother using your credentials on the UAC prompt, instead using yes/no for convenience. You can read about it here).

Microsoft does actually provide a group policy setting to force Administrator accounts to also require credentials at the UAC prompt as well at Computer Configuration > Windows Settings > Local Policies > Security Settings > User Account Control: Behavior of the elevation prompt for administrators in Admin Approval Mode (though this is disabled by default because I would van of peace Microsoft HQ otherwise).



By the way! The dimmed content that you see behind the UAC prompt isn't actually your actual desktop but instead a screenshot of it. Windows actually moves you over to what is called the secure desktop to prevent applications from escalating themselves. Enjoy that knowledge. (I believe the Login UI and by extension the security options or the ctrl+alt+del menu actually uses secure desktop as well, but idk go google it i guess).

Anyway point is you can make the prompt work like Linux in where you need credentials at all times regardless of if you're logged in as an Administrator or a Standard User. You can actually disable the secure desktop part by setting the UAC level slider to 1 (where bottom is 0) which also removes the dimming.

Edit: I'm actually curious on how legitimately secure sudo really is compared to UAC. Time to do some research :^).

Here is another fun read of Raymond Chen talking about the UAC options if you're interested.

 

[Linksys WRT]

but instead a screenshot of it

I am more than several drinks in today, but I need several more to cope with this information.

If you find anything interesting from your research, please post it. I am very interested.

 

[ZMOT]

Anyway point is you can make the prompt work like Linux in where you need credentials at all times regardless of if you're logged in as an Administrator or a Standard User. You can actually disable the secure desktop part by setting the UAC level slider to 1 (where bottom is 0) which also removes the dimming.

the problem isn't wholly on the technical implementation, but microsoft never bothering to properly mandate access management to not be "inconvenient" or whatever. the time to do it was with the move to XP, or at least vista. it would be far less of an issue by now. some programs still fucking up without admin rights like he mentioned (the article is almost 10 years old) is a testament to that.

Edit: I'm actually curious on how legitimately secure sudo really is compared to UAC. Time to do some research :^).

it's not perfect (poetteringware is trying to push their own version, as does ubuntu iirc), but it's certainly better with having a proper file system hierarchy instead of the modern windows way making you admin by default and if that fails dumping all your shit in your user directory because there's literally no standard. when you get a prompt on linux, there's a good reason for it, whereas on windows you get prompted for all kinds of shit that should be handled fine under a restricted account (some programs adapted since vista, a lot didn't, including microsoft).
but then we're talking about an operating system that breaks when you move the user folder, so...

 

[the rat]

but microsoft never bothering to properly mandate access manage to not be "inconvenient" or whatever.

I don't think Microsoft programs really have this problem anymore. It's very funny though seeing programs continuing to do hacky shit that requires elevation that should not be needed for what they want.

because there's literally no standard.

You're expected to put global program files that you are going to be modifying in ProgramData at the root, user specific stuff goes into the user's AppData folder. Neither of which require elevation. Not sure why ProgramData is hidden though.