Most cost-effective gun for self-defense (2022 edition) - Pew-pew for me and you-you

[WelperHelper99]

What seems strange to me is in the Pistol Caliber Carbine world there is High Point starting at $260 and then the next cheapest option from any other maker is more than twice that.
I had high hopes for Ruger's PC Carbine but the detachable barrel probably adds $100 to the price.
Even if it was $100 less it would still be almost 2x the price of the High Point.


What also seems strange to me is you can get an AR15 chambered in 5.56 cheaper than any 9mm carbine other than the High Point.
9mm ARs are more expensive than ones chambered in 5.56.

I am surprised Taurus hasn't come out with a PCC.
They could do like Ruger and High Point and modify an exciting pistol or just design somthing from scratch.
If they came out with somthing with in $100 of the High Point they would sell thousands and thousands of them.

I have thought about grabbing one of these kits if I ever catch them in stock.

1911 Stock Rig Conversion Set (Stock/Holster/Barrel)

www.sarcoinc.com

I wish somthing like this existed for the Beretta 92.

Taurus getting into the PCC game at a affordable price would do wonders for the industry, especially if it was in half a dozen different calibers like the Hi-Point and could handle hollow points. Speaking of, any recommendations on hollow points? I think it'd be good for the thread, especially on cost effectiveness.

Side note, that 1911 conversion is absolutely based. I want one.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

Taurus getting into the PCC game at a affordable price would do wonders for the industry, especially if it was in half a dozen different calibers like the Hi-Point and could handle hollow points. Speaking of, any recommendations on hollow points? I think it'd be good for the thread, especially on cost effectiveness.

Side note, that 1911 conversion is absolutely based. I want one.

For hollow points, get you some Federal HST. It's not the cheapest, but it's the good stuff, and it's not like you need that much unless you're worried about large scale Minecraft PVP or something.

 

[WelperHelper99]

For hollow points, get you some Federal HST. It's not the cheapest, but it's the good stuff, and it's not like you need that much unless you're worried about large scale Minecraft PVP or something.

I run Federal Punch 120 grain and remington FBI loads for my 38 special, both of which have good expansion and penetration, and as for my old man, I make sure he runs top of the line Speer Gold Dot in his 9mm Ruger P series- pricy but like you said, you don't need much- and this SimX ammo he's been interested in, kind of similar to that lightweight Liberty ammo in that it goes really fast due to a light core. Thoughts on Speer in general?

 

[Yours Truly 2095]

Really good fuckin deal. https://www.eurooptic.com/benelli-supernova-shotgun-20160.aspx

Benelli SuperNova Tactical 12GA with a free Vortex red dot optic $399​

 

[WelperHelper99]

Really good fuckin deal. https://www.eurooptic.com/benelli-supernova-shotgun-20160.aspx

Benelli SuperNova Tactical 12GA with a free Vortex red dot optic $399​

That is a Christmas special if I've ever seen one. It's Italian, already tickling my fetish, and while you only get 4+1, you get a solid ass red dot. Good find @Yours Truly 2095

 

[Yours Truly 2095]

That is a Christmas special if I've ever seen one. It's Italian, already tickling my fetish, and while you only get 4+1, you get a solid ass red dot. Good find @Yours Truly 2095

I think they do make mag extensions for them. I'd buy it but I have other priorities. Really want it though since my current pump is a 28 inch barrel long boi

 

[WelperHelper99]

If they make extensions, all the better. Yeah I'm in the same boat as you, especially with Christmas and all, but it is very tempting. Now if we can find some in store ammo sales, I'm in lol.

 

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Taurus getting into the PCC game at a affordable price would do wonders for the industry, especially if it was in half a dozen different calibers like the Hi-Point and could handle hollow points. Speaking of, any recommendations on hollow points? I think it'd be good for the thread, especially on cost effectiveness.

Side note, that 1911 conversion is absolutely based. I want one.

They did already try once, although it ended up being USP at home, so it didn't really catch on. I only saw one on the store shelves back in the day, and when I handled it the gun seemed pretty well made but the stock was awful and you couldn't get full capacity mags

The Taurus CT9 - the PCC That Coulda Been - The Mag Life

Do you remember the Taurus CT9? I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't. It's the PCC we all forgot about, including the manufacturer.

gunmagwarehouse.com

Presumably it bombed hard and scared them away from the PCC market, but it probably wouldn't have been such a failure if they just made the thing 922r compliant so it could have decent ergos and mags

 

[WelperHelper99]

They did already try once, although it ended up being USP at home, so it didn't really catch on. I only saw one on the store shelves back in the day, and when I handled it the gun seemed pretty well made but the stock was awful and you couldn't get full capacity mags

The Taurus CT9 - the PCC That Coulda Been - The Mag Life

Do you remember the Taurus CT9? I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't. It's the PCC we all forgot about, including the manufacturer.

gunmagwarehouse.com

Presumably it bombed hard and scared them away from the PCC market, but it probably wouldn't have been such a failure if they just made the thing 922r compliant so it could have decent ergos and mags

It seems like a complete lack of support, 10 round mags, and a few ergonomic issues killed a otherwise good gun. That said, I would like to see them try again. Taurus has issues, sure, but they can make good guns. Fix the ergonomics, give this thing at least a 20 round mag, multiple calibers, im thinking 9mm, 380, 45, and 40, keep costs low, and you'll have a winner.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

I own a Supernova. It's my main shotgun. Great gun, action is smooth as butter. Just know that accessories are rare and EXPENSIVE compared to, say, a Remington 870.

For example, the mag extension. Nordic makes a good one. Well, $60 for the extension, $35 for the nut, so that's almost $100 right there. You're already more expensive than a standard Mossberg 590 that holds more shots. Then you might want a barrel clamp, that's another $35, plus $20 for the gasket if you don't want to destroy the finish, then $20 for the actual rail mount for the clamp...

Or let's say you want a recoil pad. For a Mossberg, you can pick up the excellent Limbsaver Airtech for a mere $35. For a Benelli, get ready to pay triple that for an Official Benelli Gel Pad™.

Don't get me wrong, the Supernova is an excellent gun. But even on sale, you will pay far out the ass for it.

 

[WelperHelper99]

I own a Supernova. It's my main shotgun. Great gun, action is smooth as butter. Just know that accessories are rare and EXPENSIVE compared to, say, a Remington 870.

For example, the mag extension. Nordic makes a good one. Well, $60 for the extension, $35 for the nut, so that's almost $100 right there. You're already more expensive than a standard Mossberg 590 that holds more shots. Then you might want a barrel clamp, that's another $35, plus $20 for the gasket if you don't want to destroy the finish, then $20 for the actual rail mount for the clamp...

Or let's say you want a recoil pad. For a Mossberg, you can pick up the excellent Limbsaver Airtech for a mere $35. For a Benelli, get ready to pay triple that for an Official Benelli Gel Pad™.

Don't get me wrong, the Supernova is an excellent gun. But even on sale, you will pay far out the ass for it.

I'll say this, as a guy that owns an Italian Bolt action, I'd pay that for performance. Not currently, but in the future, yes. The Italians know how to make guns.

 

[BikeLock]

A good first gun for someone who has never owned one is a nice USED 12ga shotgun made by any major US manufacturer (I'm partial to the Remington 870).
Ammunition is cheap and widely available, they aren't banned in any of the lefttard states so you can get one if you happen to live in one of those, and they're both easy to use and maintain, which is important as it will most likely spend its time loaded in a closet somewhere. Contrary to popular opinion, yes you do have to aim a shotgun, but the nature of a shotgun makes it very easy for a non-gun person to make good hits, especially with buckshot.

If you're a manlet or a woman the same applies to the 20 ga. $500 should be more than enough to get something worthwhile in either 20 or 12ga.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

I'll say this, as a guy that owns an Italian Bolt action, I'd pay that for performance. Not currently, but in the future, yes. The Italians know how to make guns.

Oh yeah, I love Italian guns. My Beretta PX4 is my favorite pistol. If somebody handed me 2 grand except I could only buy guns, I'd go out and get a Benelli Lupo right this second. Someday I may get a Super Black Eagle for skeet shooting.

But cost effective? Nah. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. Get a Mossberg 500 and a Glock Brand Glock™.

 

[drfuzzyballs]

• Absolute cheapest: Subcaliber device for a flare gun or 12 gauge improvised from 3/4 inch pipe. I would advise against the latter.
• Long guns: single shot rifles and shotguns can be bought for as little as $100, I've seen child sized rifles for $60 at gun shows.
• Handguns: Used Saturday night specials can be bought for $150 or less but they're not very reliable.
• Antiquated calibers: Above mentioned firearms will be cheaper if they're in a caliber where the ammo is still produced but the guns are not. I've got several old revolvers in .32S&W and >38S&W that a bought very cheaply and with some searching I can buy ammo for.
• Black powder: Available very cheaply due to the lack of regulation

 

[Golgo 13]

General Self Defense pistol: Glock, mags are plentiful and cheap, ammo is widely available.

Shotgun: mossberg/Beretta/Remington , whatever you can get a good deal.

Rifle: 10/22 for cheap plinking, as for AR (S&W/Sig/Springfield/DPMS/ ETC)

 

[WelperHelper99]

The Taurus matte black G2c is pegging at $209  with a 25 dollar rebate at sportsman's warehouse for the holidays. Not the exact color scheme I want for a G2c, but that deal... it's mighty tempting, and would get me a 9mm autoloader. Should I (or any of us) go for it?

LINK: https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting...-32in-matte-black-pistol-121-rounds/p/1500242

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Anyone know anything in semi-auto .308 like the Garand or BM 59?

Depends on your price.
Cheapest one I can think of is a CETME-C but you need to build and bend that receiver yourself.

For hollow points, get you some Federal HST. It's not the cheapest, but it's the good stuff, and it's not like you need that much unless you're worried about large scale Minecraft PVP or something.

This is a reminder for the love of god, please shoot the ammo you intend to use at least some point in time. I had a friend who's firearm for some odd reason would absolutely refuse to cycle properly with Remington High Terminal Performance 9mm

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Inspired by this thread, I have some related questions:
1. I have heard it said that a beginner should start with a rifle (usually a.22, I guess). Would you agree? Is it really a big deal to learn to shoot with a handgun?
2. Those with Berettas (or who do/don't like them), care to share what you do/don't like about them?
3. I see some handguns referred to as long rifle, some luger, some pistol. I assume that refers to how the internal mechanisms work? (Yes, I could Google, but this is potentially more efficient...)
4. What do you think of compact or short frame handguns? Pretend the person with it is a pretty small woman, if that is relevant.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Inspired by this thread, I have some related questions:
1. I have heard it said that a beginner should start with a rifle (usually a.22, I guess). Would you agree? Is it really a big deal to learn to shoot with a handgun?
2. Those with Berettas (or who do/don't like them), care to share what you do/don't like about them?
3. I see some handguns referred to as long rifle, some luger, some pistol. I assume that refers to how the internal mechanisms work? (Yes, I could Google, but this is potentially more efficient...)
4. What do you think of compact or short frame handguns? Pretend the person with it is a pretty small woman, if that is relevant.

Didn't you say you were a female?

1. .22 is okay, it can kill (hint: aim well) but usually a bolt action is better so you understand the functions of a firearm (My first firearms experience was a 30-06 M1 so....). Basic firearms competency applies to all weapons though (Like not flagging everyone). Get training.
2. It's a hammer firearm. The new big thing is striker fired with no hammer (Striker fire). Full metal firearms are inherently heavier than mostly plastic composite ones if that is a consideration. Also has a safety so you need to train in disengaging it. Personally I carry full metal so it doubles as a bludgeon. Get training
3. 22 lr (?) - .22 Long Rifle is the name of the cartridge. There's several names for 9x19 (9x19 Luger, 9x19 Parabellum, 9x19, 9mm). Do your own research before buying something just to double check. Different cartridges have different capabilities.
4. Compact, or sub compact? Search up the size difference between CZ's P-10F, P-10C, and P-10S and you'll see what I mean. Smaller is easier concealable, but harder to manage recoil and less bullets you can use. You will need to test fire them. Get training

Try to be able to get a feel for the gun by shooting it (or if unable, handling one). Some people cannot handle a larger firearm properly or can't take the recoil of the smaller one with the same caliber.

You probably shouldn't take my words for advice since I carry a 7.62x25 firearm as my daily sidearm.

Again... Get training so you don't end up like this retard.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

2. Those with Berettas (or who do/don't like them), care to share what you do/don't like about them?

I don't know if you mean the 92 specifically, but my PX4 is my main pistol. The main reason, in all honesty, is that I have long skinny fingers and it seems to fit my hand far better than other more popular guns like Glocks. Although the 92 isn't bad either.