Most cost-effective gun for self-defense (2022 edition) - Pew-pew for me and you-you

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After putting a lot of thought into it myself earlier this year my top three choices ended up being a Ruger LCRX in .357 (with the intent of carrying .38 ), a glock 19, or a Taurus GX4. After having a chance to handle all three I ended up going with the GX4, and once I'd come to that decision I ended up holding out for the GX4 TORO which has an optic cutout and included both a 13 round magazine in addition to an 11 out of the box, vs a pair of 11s for the base GX4.

I carried it without an optic for several months but eventually I tacked on a Holosun HE507k-GR X2 which I feel really improved my ability to quickly put hits on target, though it cost nearly as much as the gun did lol. I really like it, it gives you a 6 MoA circle and a 2 MoA dot, you've got the circle for close/fast shots but if you need to make a longer one you've got that tight dot. You can use them in combination with each other or select either one individually. It starts looking grimy really fast and I was cleaning it every few days at first but I gave up on that pretty quickly when I realized it didn't affect the viewability of the reticle. I look through it every night when I take it off to make sure it's all good and no matter how much of whatever kind of hair is stuck in it the reticle is still perfectly viewable. It also has its own rear sight posts and lets you see the factory front post through the lens if anything were to happen to the reticle.

For a holster I just grabbed a random one on Amazon, "CYA Supply Co Base Optics Ready Inside Waistband Holster" (Gx4/GX4 TORO for the style) with the intent of upgrading to a nicer one eventually but it's been plenty comfortable and secure so I'll stick with it til I have a reason not to. I had to tighten the factory retention screw to start but it's held in place fine.

For ammo I went with Hornady Critical Defense (9mm). It's specifically designed for short barreled concealed carry pistols so it hits its full velocity out of the GX4's 3" barrel. When the GX4 XL (4" barrel) came out TFBTV did a comparison with this specific round and the velocity was basically identical out of both. Garand Thumb also tested the round and it expanded every time on their dummy and they couldn't get it to overpenetrate so I feel good about it in that regard.

This is all from the daily carry perspective of course, if you want something for the home I'd recommend getting a used, beat up lever action of some kind, .357 would be my first choice of round but .44 or .45 would be fine too, though .45 Long Colt is pretty pricey and definitely my last choice of the three calibers. Not for any tactical/practical reason, but if you ever have to use it and a prosecutor tries to throw you in prison for life for defending yourself make him hold that up, rather than giving him that big, black scary fully semi-automatic Assault Rifle 15™ with a 30 round clipazine to go after you with. That was the same reason the ruger LCRX was on my list of choices for a carry gun, it's just kind of an ugly, practical thing that a prosecutor would have a hard time making a big deal of. The price (I paid $360 for mine), caliber (just a bit easier to find), and form factor (much thinner) of the GX4 are what ended up swinging me in its direction though.
 
After putting a lot of thought into it myself earlier this year my top three choices ended up being a Ruger LCRX in .357 (with the intent of carrying .38 ), a glock 19, or a Taurus GX4. After having a chance to handle all three I ended up going with the GX4, and once I'd come to that decision I ended up holding out for the GX4 TORO which has an optic cutout and included both a 13 round magazine in addition to an 11 out of the box, vs a pair of 11s for the base GX4.

I carried it without an optic for several months but eventually I tacked on a Holosun HE507k-GR X2 which I feel really improved my ability to quickly put hits on target, though it cost nearly as much as the gun did lol. I really like it, it gives you a 6 MoA circle and a 2 MoA dot, you've got the circle for close/fast shots but if you need to make a longer one you've got that tight dot. You can use them in combination with each other or select either one individually. It starts looking grimy really fast and I was cleaning it every few days at first but I gave up on that pretty quickly when I realized it didn't affect the viewability of the reticle. I look through it every night when I take it off to make sure it's all good and no matter how much of whatever kind of hair is stuck in it the reticle is still perfectly viewable. It also has its own rear sight posts and lets you see the factory front post through the lens if anything were to happen to the reticle.

For a holster I just grabbed a random one on Amazon, "CYA Supply Co Base Optics Ready Inside Waistband Holster" (Gx4/GX4 TORO for the style) with the intent of upgrading to a nicer one eventually but it's been plenty comfortable and secure so I'll stick with it til I have a reason not to. I had to tighten the factory retention screw to start but it's held in place fine.

For ammo I went with Hornady Critical Defense (9mm). It's specifically designed for short barreled concealed carry pistols so it hits its full velocity out of the GX4's 3" barrel. When the GX4 XL (4" barrel) came out TFBTV did a comparison with this specific round and the velocity was basically identical out of both. Garand Thumb also tested the round and it expanded every time on their dummy and they couldn't get it to overpenetrate so I feel good about it in that regard.

This is all from the daily carry perspective of course, if you want something for the home I'd recommend getting a used, beat up lever action of some kind, .357 would be my first choice of round but .44 or .45 would be fine too, though .45 Long Colt is pretty pricey and definitely my last choice of the three calibers. Not for any tactical/practical reason, but if you ever have to use it and a prosecutor tries to throw you in prison for life for defending yourself make him hold that up, rather than giving him that big, black scary fully semi-automatic Assault Rifle 15™ with a 30 round clipazine to go after you with. That was the same reason the ruger LCRX was on my list of choices for a carry gun, it's just kind of an ugly, practical thing that a prosecutor would have a hard time making a big deal of. The price (I paid $360 for mine), caliber (just a bit easier to find), and form factor (much thinner) of the GX4 are what ended up swinging me in its direction though.
Speaking in terms of snub nosed revolvers and .38 Special, both are under-rated, and I'm glad to hear that they were at least seriously considered for your CCW. .38 Special can approach the power of 9mm while being able to fit in a slimline revolver without moon clips. Budget wise 9mm is cheaper, but 38 Special is nowhere near the most expensive round in the world, even when bought locally. As for a snubbie, they're great pocket guns, small, light weight, reliable, as I can attest.
 
For sure, no sleight to .38. Definitely a great round, low pressure, basically no recoil, and fairly priced for the most part. I suppose it's worth mentioning that in terms of cost what I have on hand was a factor there as well. I have several ammo cans full of loose 9mm and .45 ACP reloads to practice with, probably enough to wear out the springs in every 9mm pistol I own, vs one can of loose .357 reloads, and then one can of mixed, boxed .38 and .357 rounds that I haven't been through yet to see exactly what I have. I also have a ton of 10mm for some reason lol, so I looked at the Glock 29 for a moment but it was always a very distant 4th choice. My dad only had one pistol in that caliber and I don't remember him ever shooting it so I'm not sure why he stocked up on it in particular. It's also not available in Critical Defense, only Critical Duty, and is $35/20rds, vs the $22/25rds that I got my 9mm at. Critical Defense .38 is only an extra dollar or two more than that per box, still under a dollar a round, but I just don't have the practice ammo in bulk

One more thing on the GX4/TORO that I forgot to mention that I thought would be worth mentioning, it's probably the easiest to dis/reassemble centerfire semi-automatic that I've cleaned. Just de-cock it, twist the disassembly screw and pull the slide off, pop the spring assembly out (which isn't under any tension so it can't shoot off), run a snake or pad through the barrel a few times, wipe the rest down, a little q-tip work above the magazine well and the slide rails, droplet of oil on the rails, put the spring back in, pop the slide back on and re-cock it and the disassembly screw resets itself automatically. I usually take my time and I'm done in under ten minutes including getting my cleaning stuff out and putting it back up, you could probably have it done in under three if you were in a rush. It's not much more work than I put into cleaning my revolvers when I'm done with them.
 
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Hi Point has made some decently inexpensive carbines for .380 and .45 ammo. They are gonna get shit on for the Hi Point name but mine have actually been very reliable and fun.
It's not AR, but if you're broke and living in a suburban hellhole it's way better than nothing.
Those things are pretty rugged, I've been toying with the idea of getting a 10mm one and giving it a rattle can Rhodesia-style paint job along with some other Bubba-tier mods, but can't justify getting yet another gun I won't use.
 
Speaking in terms of snub nosed revolvers and .38 Special, both are under-rated, and I'm glad to hear that they were at least seriously considered for your CCW. .38 Special can approach the power of 9mm while being able to fit in a slimline revolver without moon clips. Budget wise 9mm is cheaper, but 38 Special is nowhere near the most expensive round in the world, even when bought locally. As for a snubbie, they're great pocket guns, small, light weight, reliable, as I can attest.
With the option of any other compact or subcompact semi-auto why would you ever choose a revolver
 
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For me when I chose mine, it came down to mechanical reliability, size, recoil of the .38 special cartridge in such a light package, the ability to use it as a club Goodfellows style, and the simple fact that I like revolvers. That's not to say semi auto's are bad, not at all, but given my funds and the choice between capacity or absolute reliability, I chose reliability over all else.
 
For me when I chose mine, it came down to mechanical reliability, size, recoil of the .38 special cartridge in such a light package, the ability to use it as a club Goodfellows style, and the simple fact that I like revolvers. That's not to say semi auto's are bad, not at all, but given my funds and the choice between capacity or absolute reliability, I chose reliability over all else.
But does marginally better reliability negate the benefits of higher capacity and rapid reloading?
A subcompact M&P holds 12+1 9mm, almost 3 times as much as a typical 5 round cylinder .38 at the same price point.
 
But does marginally better reliability negate the benefits of higher capacity and rapid reloading?
A subcompact M&P holds 12+1 9mm, almost 3 times as much as a typical 5 round cylinder .38 at the same price point.
I was buying used, with a budget of $400. 12+1 is impressive, and that isn't saying I won't pick one up eventually, that said, I'd rather take good enough now, with a gun that appeals to my tastes, rather than perfect later.
 
Hi Point has made some decently inexpensive carbines for .380 and .45 ammo. They are gonna get shit on for the Hi Point name but mine have actually been very reliable and fun.
It's not AR, but if you're broke and living in a suburban hellhole it's way better than nothing.
I will say I have thought of getting a Hi-Point carbine, especially in .45 so i can have a Dollar Store Tommy, with 20 round magazines, maybe stick on a red dot at some point (the irons seem fine, correct me if wrong), a flashlight too, for shits and giggles. Right now for my home defense rifle I have a Chinese SKS I got for 399 on a Black Friday sale, in no small part due to 2020 waking me up and showing that my 300 win mag bolt action won't mean shit in close quarters. A 45 cal Hi point, even if it can only reliably fire FMJ, will double my capacity, and in the house, I wouldn't need the range of 7.62x39mm that the SKS provides.
For sure, no sleight to .38. Definitely a great round, low pressure, basically no recoil, and fairly priced for the most part. I suppose it's worth mentioning that in terms of cost what I have on hand was a factor there as well. I have several ammo cans full of loose 9mm and .45 ACP reloads to practice with, probably enough to wear out the springs in every 9mm pistol I own, vs one can of loose .357 reloads, and then one can of mixed, boxed .38 and .357 rounds that I haven't been through yet to see exactly what I have. I also have a ton of 10mm for some reason lol, so I looked at the Glock 29 for a moment but it was always a very distant 4th choice. My dad only had one pistol in that caliber and I don't remember him ever shooting it so I'm not sure why he stocked up on it in particular. It's also not available in Critical Defense, only Critical Duty, and is $35/20rds, vs the $22/25rds that I got my 9mm at. Critical Defense .38 is only an extra dollar or two more than that per box, still under a dollar a round, but I just don't have the practice ammo in bulk

One more thing on the GX4/TORO that I forgot to mention that I thought would be worth mentioning, it's probably the easiest to dis/reassemble centerfire semi-automatic that I've cleaned. Just de-cock it, twist the disassembly screw and pull the slide off, pop the spring assembly out (which isn't under any tension so it can't shoot off), run a snake or pad through the barrel a few times, wipe the rest down, a little q-tip work above the magazine well and the slide rails, droplet of oil on the rails, put the spring back in, pop the slide back on and re-cock it and the disassembly screw resets itself automatically. I usually take my time and I'm done in under ten minutes including getting my cleaning stuff out and putting it back up, you could probably have it done in under three if you were in a rush. It's not much more work than I put into cleaning my revolvers when I'm done with them.
I see you've stocked up on ammo well, and hopefully at good prices. A box here, a case there, and you end up with the horde that you have. I do intend to get some Hornady for my .38, right now I run the 120 grain Federal Punch loaf, and keep a Bianchi speed strip (a good cheap investment btw) of 158 grain Remingtion HTP FBI loads in the other cargo pocket when I carry. Both have good ballistics and expansion, do recommend. As for Taruas, a teal G3c is on my short list.
 
An optics ready Beretta APX is under $400, the mags are under $20 for steel mags. Optics ready M&P 2.0s are under $400 or less with cowitness irons preinstalled. Optics Ready CZ P-10C's are also in that price range (Will fit in most G19 holsters except Safariland and Tenicor), especially right now with the CZ rebate. Great trigger on the P-10 series. I really like mine. Glocks are overpriced as fuck for what they are these days. People suggest them when the market has so many options that cost less with more features and often better triggers and ergos.

Shop online. Use Gun.Deals and Wikiarms. Local gun store prices are always totally ridiculous.

I think the aftermarket concerns people have are a meme. You can get any gun you want cut for an optic, but you don't need to since so many come cut already, you can get a good holster for any gun you want, magazine prices are really the only upside to Glock as the mags are a bit cheaper per mag depending on the gun. When the competition frequently has a better trigger pre-installed than a factory Glock trigger you don't really need much after-market trigger options for a carry gun.
 
Do you mean 30-06, because the Garand is 30-06? If so, there are expensive hunting semi autos from Browning and Winchester and I think beretta, and you do have the HBAR, but nothing cheap.  If you meant .308 Winchester, basically any AR-10 clone ever, amongst many European battle rifle designs, some old some new.
 
Do you mean 30-06, because the Garand is 30-06? If so, there are expensive hunting semi autos from Browning and Winchester and I think beretta, and you do have the HBAR, but nothing cheap.  If you meant .308 Winchester, basically any AR-10 clone ever, amongst many European battle rifle designs, some old some new.
I think he means a wood furniture battle rifle. SKS isn't .308 exactly but the chamber & barrel length is so close that it's pretty much the same thing.
 
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I think he means a wood furniture battle rifle. SKS isn't .308 exactly but the chamber & barrel length is so close that it's pretty much the same thing.
If it's just the wood furniture he's after, a SKS would do nicely; I know I own one. But if he's looking for  power, than a SKS isnt even in the same ballpark as a 308, let alone 30-06.
 
For a first gun, I also echo other people's endorsements for a double-barrel side by side 12 gauge.

Reload your own ammo with different loads.
Seems pretty straightforward mechanism (no short-stroking or gas-cycling issues). 150+ year old technology that "just works"
12 gauge 00 buckshot will decimate unarmored targets and the blunt force trauma against armored ones will make them wish they never been born.

"but only two shots!1!1!!:'("

They used these things during the Wild West (they were called coach guns, because the hired security would carry them when driving the stage coach). If it's good enough to fend off an Indian raiding party, it's good enough to stop a tweaker stumbling around in your garage looking for drug money.
 
For a first gun, I also echo other people's endorsements for a double-barrel side by side 12 gauge.

Reload your own ammo with different loads.
Seems pretty straightforward mechanism (no short-stroking or gas-cycling issues). 150+ year old technology that "just works"
12 gauge 00 buckshot will decimate unarmored targets and the blunt force trauma against armored ones will make them wish they never been born.

"but only two shots!1!1!!:'("

They used these things during the Wild West (they were called coach guns, because the hired security would carry them when driving the stage coach). If it's good enough to fend off an Indian raiding party, it's good enough to stop a tweaker stumbling around in your garage looking for drug money.
You don't want to be using 00 buckshot depending on where you live. 00 and 000 overpen way too much for urban hd. #4 buck retains the lethality while lowering the risk for over pen.
 
For a first gun, I also echo other people's endorsements for a double-barrel side by side 12 gauge.

Reload your own ammo with different loads.
Seems pretty straightforward mechanism (no short-stroking or gas-cycling issues). 150+ year old technology that "just works"
12 gauge 00 buckshot will decimate unarmored targets and the blunt force trauma against armored ones will make them wish they never been born.

"but only two shots!1!1!!:'("

They used these things during the Wild West (they were called coach guns, because the hired security would carry them when driving the stage coach). If it's good enough to fend off an Indian raiding party, it's good enough to stop a tweaker stumbling around in your garage looking for drug money.
I can agree with the sentiment of starting out with older tech. My first gun was a Franchi Momentum in .300 Win Mag, a bit less costly at the time, both the gun and rounds. It taught me how to take care of a rifle, manage heavy recoil and not be a bitch, aim, use a scope, etc. A shotgun, especially a break action of some sort is a good first choice, and is far cheaper than how I started, though there are cheap bolt actions if you look hard even now, albeit far less useful in a defensive situation than a double barreled shotgun, or even a single barrel.
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Hi Point has made some decently inexpensive carbines for .380 and .45 ammo. They are gonna get shit on for the Hi Point name but mine have actually been very reliable and fun.
It's not AR, but if you're broke and living in a suburban hellhole it's way better than nothing.

What seems strange to me is in the Pistol Caliber Carbine world there is High Point starting at $260 and then the next cheapest option from any other maker is more than twice that.
I had high hopes for Ruger's PC Carbine but the detachable barrel probably adds $100 to the price.
Even if it was $100 less it would still be almost 2x the price of the High Point.


What also seems strange to me is you can get an AR15 chambered in 5.56 cheaper than any 9mm carbine other than the High Point.
9mm ARs are more expensive than ones chambered in 5.56.

I am surprised Taurus hasn't come out with a PCC.
They could do like Ruger and High Point and modify an exciting pistol or just design somthing from scratch.
If they came out with somthing with in $100 of the High Point they would sell thousands and thousands of them.

I have thought about grabbing one of these kits if I ever catch them in stock.


I wish somthing like this existed for the Beretta 92.
 
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